I’m 28 and I have known about ’game’ (seducing women methodically) for 10 years. In these 10 years I had many relationships and had sex with many women, and currently I am at the level where if I approach a woman on the street, I have about a 30% chance of getting her out on a date and then having sex with her if I put in the required effort.
Now a little background on the issue, these quotes are taken from a book: „As a man have you have two core needs. Until you learn to balance these two needs, your life with women will be in conflict. ~ Need 1: Dirty Sex Blowjobs Facials Quickies Sluts Big Tits ~ Need 2: Female Affection Feminine Energy Cute Enthusiasm Snuggling Compassion”
„“Why do guys continue to get married despite a 70% divorce rate. Ego. They actually think that because she wants to get married, they really must be special.” Stay Humble Sometimes we think we are so great that our girlfriend would die without us. We are irreplaceable. One day many guys will realize it’s not YOU it’s HER agenda. No matter how attractive or great with women you think you are, always keep this in mind. Stay humble. Ultimatums A friend of mine had been dating her boyfriend for just over 2 years. She absolutely adores this guy. Talks all the time about how they are madly in love. They hang out every day and take long trips together. She is 27 and had been talking lately about how she wants to get engaged and isn’t going to wait around forever. So with mathematical precision she gave her boyfriend an ultimatum disguised in the form of a question. Where is this relationship going? She didn’t like his answer and she left him the same day. Packed up her stuff and poof she was gone. Less than 3 months later she is in a serious relationship with a new guy. She is moving into his house this week. They are engaged to be married. There is even talk of a child on the way.
What Happened? Women are tough when it comes to their agendas and what they want. I give them credit. They don’t mess around. No matter how cool you think you are, these relationships are not about you. Guys need to realize that just because she wants to move in with you or marry you doesn’t mean she likes you the best. You are not special. What would your girlfriend choose, you or her agenda? Women Do Not Really Love Us This is the harsh truth. Women do not really love us. Not in the way we all hope to be loved. Unconditionally. The only way to get consistent, reliable and pure female affection is to follow the agenda. Women aren’t giving their affection away for free. You don’t get her compassion, hugs and feminine spirit just because you are cool. There is a price to pay. And if you won’t play ball there are many other guys who will. And it is only those guys who will get her affection.”
„The Marriage Trade-off Men get purity. Women get commitment. At first both parties are happy with the arrangement. Fantasy of Purity Men just want to feel loved and the benchmark they use is she only has sex with me equals she loves me. Thus a woman’s purity becomes something that must be defended at all costs. The ultimate way to defend purity is by getting married. Even though you still want to have sex with new women. Men end up trading their freedom for her purity. Why do men need purity to feel loved. Why is it so important?
Ayden Morales
Because most men can’t accept female affection (ie. snuggling) from a woman who is fucking another guy. It repulses them. This is rooted in our biology and the M/w complex. This feeling intensifies when you’re deeply in love during the honeymoon period. Men in this state will agree to do almost anything including marriage to keep her from sucking another guys cock. Of course guys will never admit this directly. Guys only get married becuase they are getting something out of it. And it sure as hell ain’t sex. They are getting affection from a pure source. Even rock stars and celebs end up getting married and they can have sex with any woman they want. But they can’t get affection from a pure woman. Affection is powerful stuff, just ask Jay-Z. Marriage guarantees a man years of consistent, reliable and pure form of the drug he really wants, female affection. Guys don’t get married for the sex, they get married for the affection.”
Ryan Butler
Now, according to my experience this is the harsh truth of reality, and in this reality one needs to decide which direction he will take his life.
Option A: Satisfy the manly needs for affection and sex from multiple women throughout one’s life to preserve freedom Pros: -being able to have sex and have relationships with many beautiful women -freedom -getting your sexual variety needs met easily without having to suppress it, resort to porn which fucks your neurochemistry up, cheating on girlfriend, having to struggle to „spice it up” constantly in your relationship -getting your affection needs met from multiple sources which means a fuller range Cons: -you are basically using women, not having their highest good in mind, which is being programmed to find someone to settle down with and have children (there is a 90% percent chance she will want to have children, even if she currently thinks she doesnt) -never being able to relax for longer periods of time, a lifetime of dedication to going out and meeting women. if you stop pimping it for a year and lose your momentum, you will basically have to relearn most things and go thru a pain period and dry spell -you have to live in denial and block out the fact that the women you are snuggling with is most likely getting fucked by other guys
This approach brings with itself many ethical and moral issues for me. Yes, you are making women happy and fulfilling some of their needs, but at the same time you know that your relationships wont last longer than 1 or 2 years, because there is something women deeply want that you refuse to give, which is your full commitment. How does this become a win-win scenario for both parties then? You are getting your needs met, but with that comes the other party losing out, you are wasting their precious time to settle down with someone who will give them commitment. Don’t you basically have to despise women at some level, to be fully able to chose this option?
Cameron Davis
Option B: Find the best possible match for you to settle down with, lets say from 1000 women Pros: - if you chose well, you will get your affection and sexual needs met pretty well for a long period of time -qt 9/10 gf to travel, get high and watch anime with, pure affection -you have time for other shit rather than chasing women
Cons: - you give up your freedom and succumb to a women’s frame -your sexual variety needs will hardly be met, which might cause problems later on if you are not a basedboy -your children would most likely born into a world of pain and suffering, giant mosquitoes powered by global warming and shit -you possibly become too comfortable and lazy, which might lead your women to lose the attraction she had for you and become a nagging bitch -even if you try your hardest, the relationship might go to shit eventually
Is this what Jordan Peterson is talking about when saying you should take the full amount of responsibility you can? Giving up your freedom for responsibility? I do not really want to give up my freedom tho, I don’t even want pets and the responsibility that comes with it. Maybe I’m just afraid of commitment and responsibility and this is causing the whole moral dilemma?
If you have read this whole thing, you have my thanks. There are many smart guys on Jow Forums so I want to hear your opinions on this whole ordeal. Maybe some of you had the same issue and already gotten thru it, and can enlighten me.
Aiden Wilson
You write like a faggot and i wont read your wall of text. Learn to be a normal humanbeing pajeet.
Grayson Lee
FUUUUUUUUUCK OFFFF
Hunter Lee
suck my dick
Adam Jackson
I read your thing.
I think there are relatively few men and women capable of being worthy of unconditional love and affection, and they doesn't necessarily overlap with the ones you would seek.
are you capable of being such a person (it's a lifelong commitment in itself)? if so, go and find the others. if not, I think the next best thing is to be totally open about the transactive nature of a relationship.
Noah Jenkins
Jesus the self importance of the little guy just cause he fucked a few thots.
Here is why you get married and who to. You get married like I did to a Virgin, she was 30 and yes she was definitely a virgin. She doesn't live in the debased West. So she as I commit not cause we follow our selfish needs and wants but cause we have made commitment under God to be faithful.
Short version, your just a kid talking like an even younger kid. Grow up, Become an adult.
Jose Wilson
nice larp faggot
Alexander Lewis
thanks for reading it
And do you think that in a transactional male-female relationship, the male is obliged to fulfill his part? Meaning to sacrifice his freedom, take social responsibility and give commitment in return for sex and affection?
Wyatt Richardson
You are just unconsciously being driven by your primal fears and desires. Why is it important that she is a virgin? Because the fantasy of purity I suppose. Do you realize that it is just an old evolutional program guaranteeing that the child you are raising would be yours? Do you realize that with the advancement of technology (birth pill and DNA test), this part of you became completely obsolete, yet it is still running you and driving your actions?
Mason Martinez
if you desire the kids and the stake in society, yes.
Caleb Gutierrez
>I am at the level where if I approach a woman on the street, I have about a 30% chance of getting her out on a date and then having sex with her if I put in the required effort. I've read a couple of PUA books in the past but wasn't very convinced by any of them, and also a bunch of their content was conflicting to each other. Which specific material would you recommend to someone wanting to learn these skills?
Caleb Lewis
> because humans aren't robots and her having fucked around will influence both of you psychologically > because telegony could very well be a real thing > because starting a family makes you desire a sensation of familarity and bonding (which isn't the case if she fucks or has fucked around) > because you are using technology as an excuse to pursue and nurture vices (weaknesses) instead of virtues (strengths) > because wanting to have sex is itself based on primal and fears and desires
Kayden James
yes, there is a fuckton of misinformation out there thats for sure. what is even worse that these misinformation can fuck you up for years if you are not careful and start applying the wrong information.
you do not need much material to get to a level where you can generate abundance whenever you want.
try to get an invite on theplace.bz, and get these: 60 years of challenge - escalation is attractive Rob Judge/Zack Bauer- The Four Elements of Game rsd todd is also legit, but i would recommend staying away from other rsd guys and also the sedona method is great for overcoming social anxiety/inner blocks. you can find it on tpb proxies if you type "hale dwoskin"
> because humans aren't robots and her having fucked around will influence both of you psychologically
I think a women who is a virgin at 30 years old, is much scarier psychologically than a women who has fucked around moderately
> because starting a family makes you desire a sensation of familarity and bonding (which isn't the case if she fucks or has fucked around)
Maybe for you it isnt the case, but for an emotionally healthy male this is a non-issue. Unless your gf had sex with 50+ men, which suggests psychological problems on her part and is a redflag
> because you are using technology as an excuse to pursue and nurture vices (weaknesses) instead of virtues (strengths)
You might be right on this one.
> because wanting to have sex is itself based on primal and fears and desires
I do not agree that the basic need for sex (and food and sleep) is on the same level in any way as your quite extreme need for purity, so this comparison does not make much sense
Gavin Anderson
Interesting thread thanks OP. I’m only 22 and have started taking phenibut and been approaching throughout the day at my uni. It’s definitely a valuable skill to have. I’m aiming to marry at 28-32 to a non-degenerate female I share the same interests with - it’s just so disheartening seeing the female mind these days. I get much more stimulation for the most part from my true bros.
Christopher Thompson
I can't even begin to imagine being the kind of omega level social reject who needs to read guides on getting laid. Unless you are an acid burn victim, literally all you have to do is lift, not dress like an autist, and pay attention to your personal hygiene. So basically - act like an adult male and not a fat incel manchild and women will make up their own reasons to sleep with you. Jesus christ this site makes me cringe sometimes.
Gavin Wood
I just realized that I am quite undecided about how I want my future to look like regarding this. I do not know whether I want kids and a family or just live the playboy life. I most definitely should contemplate on this and choose one, and then this dilemma should resolve itself.
Cheers. There are indeed many basic bitches out there, but also many great ones. I think it's definitely possible to find a woman to marry who you can have a great life together with (even tho divorce rates are in the 60%s, that means 40% of them succeed), just do not let love and infatuation blind you to redflags when you think you found a special one, because that is one road to disaster.
Jose Stewart
do you regularly get laid with your personal 9s and 10s? if yes and you did it without any learning, then congrats you are in the lucky 1% who were born just into the right consequences
you should be humble and not trash on us plebs, not everyone can get that lucky in life you know
Jeremiah Powell
Good post virgin faggot.
Jaxon Wilson
but if you don't, then basically you are settling, and attempting to shit on those who are trying to improve their circumstances and raise above. in this case, you are just a faggot
thanks buddy
Joseph Hall
It isn't even luck though. Like this is your problem. This is why you need this shit - you're too lazy and and weak to pursue any kind of real self-improvement, and pussy still controls your life anyway. If you stop cowering behind your weird statistical victim act, things might improve. That's all I can really say to you. I have no doubt you have more excuses lined up tho.
Landon Parker
Incel virgin detected
Nicholas Rivera
The ones I recognize in your post advocate a direct approach. Would you say an indirect method (like for instance, Mystery) are never good?
Ok, so you tell him he should work on improving himself, but you're also offended by him learning how to get laid? Make up your mind.
Henry Evans
this is true for everyone lol
having sex and everything else can be traced back to 'old evolutional programs', that are likely (but not certainly) unnecessary today. and i mean there is more to a girl never having been fucked by anyone else than just guaranteeing the child is yours. her mental psyche and the way she perceives will be different through your whole life if you're the only man who ever had sex with her.
that said, i don't find virginity important. i tried hitting on virgin girls and became bored v fast. not because they were virgins, but because they weren't particularly attractive. if i need to pick between a 9.5 virgin and a 10 non-virgin, i will still go with the 10, there's no way i could honestly pursuit the 9.5
but if it's a 10/10 virgin vs 10/10 non-virgin, you obviously go with the virgin regardless of how obsolete biological bullshit you try to trace back this need to
Jaxon Foster
op here
you are right, but you missed the point of the post entirely. if you go to a bar/club and you get long eye contact from a girl, your chances are almost 100%. if you approach a random girl whose appearence you like on the street, then it always comes down to luck. she might have a boyfriend who she really loves, she might hate your style, she might be in a hurry etc. its a stacked numbers game from that point.
still, this was not the point at all. I only said the 30% to give my current perspective of abundance, and from that point comes the question whether you chose the player lifestyle or the family lifestyle which I am having a problem with. it's not about bragging, I could care less to impress you faggots. I'm only interested in thoughts/perspectives to move me forward, and you failed to provide any value
Jace Ortiz
>I could care less to impress you faggots. I'm only interested in thoughts/perspectives to move me forward, and you failed to provide any value
lol. you need to reanalyze yourself and your own motivations bro. i liked the way you put it even if it's not accurate, it's nice to read this view.
Owen King
>She is 27 and had been talking lately about how she wants to get engaged and isn’t going to wait >around forever. So with mathematical precision she gave her boyfriend an ultimatum disguised in the >form of a question. >Where is this relationship going? >She didn’t like his answer and she left him the same day. Packed up her stuff and poof she was gone. >Less than 3 months later she is in a serious relationship with a new guy. She is moving into his house >this week. They are engaged to be married. There is even talk of a child on the way.
and i don't think it happened like this. she already knew the new guy when she asked her bf and was more attracted to him already. she was just looking for a casus belli to break up and she deemed the answer to the question sufficient.
Juan Morales
in the end it comes down to circumstances if direct or indirect is better. if she's on public transportation the going indirect could be better, because it makes it less awkward for her with people around. if you go indirect you still need to transition the frame from social to man-woman communication, so that she knows that you are hitting on her and not just someone who likes to chat with strangers
i like effectiveness so my go-to is always direct, it's high risk high reward. gets rejected more than indirect, but also wastes the least amount of time. if someone wants to be like a masterpua then he needs to master both direct and indirect, but i do not really care about getting to that level. i only care to find the interested girls in the most effective way
i would avoid mystery tho, good for general concepts, but learning routines and shit is very dated and lame. i think being authenthic in your interactions is the only way
John Cook
i have been reanalyzing myself for the past 10 years. i still do not understand your point of view tho
i disagree. i think she knew the second guy already, but did not find him more attractive. he was a plan B in case the original guy did not work out in the end. many women keep backup guys on the leash, even my mother told me she did it 40 years ago
Juan Martinez
i mean i am open to even changing my whole outlook, as i have done many times in the past.
i would need to understand what the correct view is in your opinion tho. if it makes more sense than mine then obviously i would think about it
William Adams
>even my mother told me she did it 40 years ago
what women say or sometimes even perceive about their own feelings has little to do with how they actually feel
i don't think women work with this precision
>in the form of a question. >Where is this relationship going? >She didn’t like his answer and she left him the same day.
been with him for 2 years then left him immediately for an answer to a question and very very fast moved in with another bloke? nah that relationship was dead regardless his answer.
Jaxon Wright
yeah, well we do not really know the details, we can only speculate
