The cost of raising a child today is $233,610 – excluding the cost of college – for a middle-income family, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
Is your most sure investment not having kids? One kid is the cost for a new house. By not having two kids I can literally retire 10 years early. Every single one of my older male coworkers are divorced. Some pay child support. They like their kids, but is it worth it nowadays? Pretty much if you want kids you have to get married, have kids, get divorced, and than get your kids on the weekends. I don't want to get divorced in fight for kids and spend a fortune raising them at the same time.
>he wont even pass on his genes, failing the only reason for his existence
Isaiah Russell
Have kids or just kys.
Jack Cruz
I am white but I have zero attraction to white women.
I like Latina women the most.
David Lewis
>get your kids on the weekend Over 30% of men don't even get that much. It's very common for men to not be allowed to see their children at all, yet they still have to pay child support.
Oliver Price
The ROI on kids is very high. LIterally every literally organism, from the very first life on Earth up to you represents an unbroken chain of successful reproduction. And you're going to break it to retire a few years earlier?
Make your ancestors proud user.
Blake Price
>i am white
sure
Camden Hall
You could do nothing for an extra 10 years or you could have a family and watch your grandkids grow.
Leo Brown
Actually I would experience the entire world if I had the money and energy to do so. I don't have the money right now though.
Kevin Jackson
If you don't have kids your life is a failure.
Samuel Cook
Having children and transfer knowledge and wealth to them is the meaning of life, you like it ir not.
Daniel Fisher
Having kids when you aren't rich is a meme. Unless you have millions don't listen to these cucks, they're just parroting what their owners told them and want your kids to be their slaves.
Never marry a woman for kids. Either convince them to do it without getting married or use a surrogate. Your wealth is better in the hands of your sons than an ex-wife.
It's worth having a son to inherit your success after you die, rather than having it squandered by females, relatives, and the state.
Isaiah Scott
>U.S. Department of Agriculture They need their budget cutting. How are they not busy with agricultural matters?
Ryan Ortiz
If price inflation due to central bank issued fiat currency ponzi scheme shuts down your biological imperative of replicating your genes into the next generation, then the kikes have won.
Landon Thompson
I want kids but I know I can't afford them and the quality of women as child raisers has dropped so much I think it would be really hard to find a mother that didn't teach the kid femminist bullshit/transgender bullshit/etc.
Asher Reyes
If your primary concern in life amounts to numbers in a ledger, do not have kids. You will be a shit parent, and your progeny do not deserve a spot next to mine among posterity.
Nathaniel Wright
Divorce rate is more than 50% user. You can do everything right and a woman can implode it and ruin your life, take the kids, preventing you from passing on any knowledge or ideals, and leave you a debt slave.
Do you really want to play Russian roulette and end up like ? Just because you're insecure of your own mortality like this idiot? Don't take this as me hating kids. Children are wonderful and can add a lot of direction and perspective, but the majority of women have colluded with the state to use them as pawns to extract resources from men.
Austin Morales
Have 4 kids, fatherhood is comfy. It is a heavy yet rewarding responsibility.
Connor Smith
ITT Cost of kids keeps rising. Bubble going to pop. Short kids.
John Taylor
Children aren't even that expensive, it's (((women))) who will ruin you. Don't believe their lies, you don't need them.
Only people who think they are special snowflakes reproduce and have kids.
Population control has been overdue on this planet for 500 years.
Samuel Smith
Plain and simple kid.
Lucas Price
>No kids a smart investment? Obviously not. It was never a investment, it's a way to perpetuate yourself.
Nathaniel Perry
>but the majority of women have colluded with the state Women don't even have the motiviation or agency to organize or collude. Women are retarded. Jews colluded with the state to ruin marriage and make it financial suicide for a man to get married.
Joseph James
Women are merely a reflect of the men that surround them.
Henry Scott
>Population control has been overdue on this planet for 500 years
For muds.
Asher White
>Only people who think they are special snowflakes reproduce and have kids. It doesn't make any sense. No one feels unique for having children >Population control has been overdue on this planet for 500 years. For the untermenschen, yes. We need the best to reproduce.
Joshua Sanchez
Kids are unironically a bad personal investment. They're an OK investment in the far far future (i.e. society/country as a whole until we hit singularity or get a bit more overpopulated), but nothing you'll be alive for.
Parker Powell
That's the most retarded cope shit I've ever heard in my life. When men kept his money in the event of a divorce, divorce was literally unheard of. As soon as women became able to steal men's money in a divorce, divorce skyrocketed. You can cope all you want by pretending that our women aren't empty sociopaths, and say that men are just like them, but men never kicked women out of their own families when they had the advantage in family court.
Robert Smith
My hopes and dreams for the future, is to have a decent wife and a couple of kiss. + a nice house and being in a strong financial position where i can take my family on nice holidays and generally don't have to worry about money.
I suppose there are other people wanting something else out of life.. But for me, finances are secondary to making my own family.
Cameron Hernandez
el atrocidad
Jack Scott
>Population control has been overdue on this planet for 500 years. The only people whom are not gonna have children because of "overpopulation", are the exact people you want to pass on their genes.
Ryan James
>forcing another conscience to live a shitty life if you are poor
David Reyes
>only reason to live is to make more life sounds like a ponzi scheme.
Camden Nelson
How does one project/extrapolate future farming output needs if one does not research population growth?
Thanks for being 12.
Wyatt Robinson
and Africa is full of winners
Bentley Brooks
>As soon as women became able to steal men's money in a divorce, And why are they able to steal the money? I mean, I don't think any man from 3 centuries ago would passively accept it..
The vast majority of men are spineless cowards afraid of speaking agains't injustice, and then they complain about injustice. Males are beings of action in almost all mammal species, if a male refuse to take action he don't deserve justice
Jace Hughes
> But for me, finances are secondary to making my own family. Without a huge patrimony you'll only cause suffering to your own family. In the next decades only the very rich would be able to live like actual human beings
Joshua Hernandez
This is how the universe has built the system.
The point of live is to keep on living until we are smart enough to solve the universe's problems, to keep it from exploding or imploding at the end.
Justin Phillips
In a certain way... There's no sacred soil to a forgotten corpse
Kayden Flores
It's not that they're cowards. It's that they're fucking idiots who don't lawyer up properly. You should have a good lawyer you trust advising you prior to entering into any contract.
Oliver Fisher
only if you can plan on your child bringing a return greater than $233,610
Lawyers are devil's pawns. If you're catholic(or really, any other religion) you can always marry in the Church and be done with it. There's no need to get a acceptance from the jewish government.
Anthony Jones
video games will be so advanced in 60 years that I doubt any grandkid will be more fun also use roids, there is no downside because you are almost dead anyway
Jacob Perry
dios mio...
Jack Parker
>Women don't even have the motivation or agency to organize or collude
Underestimating a woman's capacity to premeditate malicious behavior is a dangerous mistake
jews/the government/marxists/whatever load the gun, but women pull the trigger
Evan White
Do what you want, OP. Darwin will sort it all out later.
Chase Rodriguez
redpilled and based
Ryder Gonzalez
I fucking hate kids. They should bring back the policy that Sparta had >t.vasectomy at 30
Daniel Reed
I think you answered your own question.
Jose Jenkins
2 things.
You don't have to marry to have a kid, or kids.
The big determining factor on all this is the quality of the woman. Great woman, great experience. Terrible woman, terrible experience.
Levi Cooper
>tfw my grandma has Alzheimer's and I'm the oldest grandchild and she doesn't ask me, but all she asks my dad when she talks to him is whether or not I got married or not over and over
ITT: roasties complaining about OP not wanting kids. kids are disgusting, vile creatures who devour your money.
Nicholas Hernandez
;-;
Charles Taylor
damn that much? how did my parents raise me and my 6 other siblings on just a taxi drivers income
Asher Ramirez
>only 233k That sounds absurdly low to raise a child for two decades.
Adam Bennett
>disgusting, vile creatures who devour your money most women are like that too why can't women be more psychologically developed? nagging, crying, begging, annoying little slags and even plenty of "men" are bitches
Camden Stewart
The kikes have indeed won. Millenials arent having any kids due to inflated prices.
Christopher Long
You answered your own question pretty thoroughly user. There are too many humans already which is why the cost of raising a child is skyrocketing. Your time on this earth is short and 500 years from now nobody will ever remember you existed no matter how many kids you have. Do what you want. People who think procreating is the whole meaning for existence are no different than rodents or cockroaches. It's 3rd world mentality.
Angel Torres
dios mio
Michael Thomas
Based
Owen Campbell
Africa was supposed to sort itself out. But then they started getting handouts by (((westerners))). Now they live in a shithole, but mother nature can't do her thing when they are barely hanging on to life with gibbs. Now you know why africa has a population problem. Granted, their life expectancy isn't very high.
Josiah Allen
Worth it. They're cheaper than hiring prostitutes for 18 years, and they're a lot tighter too.
David Davis
The genes will live on, and genes are all you're
Blake Phillips
Wow user, I used to strongly feel the way you do but then I realised I can't be that cold anymore.
Thomas Miller
>People who think procreating is the whole meaning for existence are no different than rodents or cockroaches. It's 3rd world mentality. But it is. If it was different, then no humans would exist. You're not smart for wanting to extinguish your bloodline.
Aiden Stewart
>and genes are all you're Identical twins say the otherwise
Josiah Jones
Kids are the only reaspn
Nathan Reyes
That's because identical twins aren't identical.
Brandon Bell
Unless he is seriously deformed/unhealthy/unlucky, I unironically have zero respect for any 35+ year old man that doesn't have children
Jordan Peterson
Why are you even here, leftcuck?
Anthony Ward
What's cold about it? There's nothing inherently good (or bad) about having children. My point is that people who think life is meaningless without children probably think that because they have boring/shitty lives. Why do you think wealthy successful people tend to have few children while poor people have tons?
Josiah Martinez
they literally have the same genes
Daniel Stewart
Kids are an investment without return, usually, if you look at it through a pure analyst's eye
Joseph Torres
My sister has a son. But even if she didn't, I'm not so self centered that I think the human race needs my DNA to continue on. That may have been true thousands of years ago but at this point there are so many humans it won't make a difference one way or another. You could have 20 kids and then a war or plague breaks out and your precious bloodine is gone in a week anyway. TLDR you and your genetics aren't special
Michael King
Look around you what is every living thing doing? Plants, insects, monkeys, etc... reproducing. If you are doing anything else than you are a parasite on the system of life.
I dont want kids to tie me down. I like being able to travel as I want and do as I please. Dont want to deal with them either. No thanks.
Landon Reed
Why though? Do you have tons of respect for black guys that have 8 kids by 6 different women or the poor Mexican family living on social services and sleeping 10 family members in a one bedroom apartment? Having tons of kids is easy all you have to do is not pull out.
Kayden Lewis
>Literally 6'2 blonde white guy making 6 figures >Only attracted to morbidly obese Mexican girls
The earth is way overcrowded and has limited resources. Arnt the people reproducing the real parasites? Tbh the earth would be much better off without humans.
Wanting your bloodline to extinguish. Whats the difference between anti natalist and cucks?
Nolan Ross
ay carumba
Wyatt Peterson
if you pay for them maybe but probably not even then. >Kids worth it? depends if you want money then obviously not, if you want kids then maybe... but that's just being stupid.
Evan Nelson
Have fun dying alone in a nursing home with no visitors ever.
Sebastian Ross
Modern society's mental illness only grows each day.
Noah Reyes
You really think everyone goes to visit the old folks? A common complaint is they don't. Have fun doing alone in a nursing home with no visitors ever.
Elijah Baker
technically latinas are a type of white....
Grayson Moore
As are goblins.
Owen Smith
Go to Barcelona.
Plenty good women there who hate communists.
Ryder Collins
Kids will never make financial sense.
But if someone is so autistic that everything has to always be financially prudent then it's probably best they don't have kids.
Natural selection has a fantastic track spanning millions of species across thousands of years. If one thinks they shouldn't have kids, nature just pruned that branch from the genetic blockchain increasing the odds of survival of the human race.
Mason Rivera
That must mean that those people in Africa and India are genetically superior.
Grayson Rivera
Time will be the judge of that. Will your superior genes live on?