Automation and UBI

How should society respond to automation? UBI? Ludditism?

It's only a matter of time before automation sweeps away the majority of jobs (90-95%). AI, machine learning and deep learning are only tools that are progressively becoming more advanced. Eventually a lot of jobs (white collar included) will be automated away, as they are. Few fields are safe. Medicine, accounting, finance, IT will be automated away for the most part. Big companies like KPMG and JP Morgan have already invested in automating finance work away with great success. Many companies exist and are popping up that automate a lot of day to day tasks for businesses.

People usually raise a few objections.

> Automation will just create new jobs
This is untrue and is due to a misunderstanding of the current state of AI. Any job has fundamentally two components: one mental and the other physical. A basic warehouse job is more physical than mental, and an electrical engineering job is a lot more mental than physical.

The Industrial revolution and the advances made in technology like electricity, motors, engines, cheap circuits has made the physical component of work more efficient with better tools. However the tools required the mental input of the worker.

AI however substitutes the mental input of the worker. You can create implementations (computer programs) that can do that for you now.

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> My jobs requires too much judgement to be automated
This is a low IQ objection that is due to an ignorance of computers and computing. In an introductory programming course in the first lesson you will learn about conditionals such as If statements and For and When statements. All jobs can be automated. It's just a matter of mapping out the thought process into a series of conditionals. Even if there are grey areas in your job it is likely that 80-95% of tasks you do are mundane and similar. So even though automation may not outright eliminate all the jobs in your field it will drastically reduce demand for the professionals in your field. Imagine what effect it will have for the entry level market of the field you're in when only skilled senior professionals are required for the few jobs there are.

> What about programmers/software developers?
Software development has drastically changed in the past decade. A lot of programming has been automated with IDEs and libraries which handle the bulk of the work. Research has begun on automating programming itself. Admiringly, once we can fully automate programming we will be close to automating research. I should also remark with reduced demand for other STEM fields more people will pour into this field. Meaning lower wages for a market that is already being impacted by outsourcing.

> You'll just have to re-skill
How are you going to reskill millions of sub 110 IQ individual in fields that require an IQ of 120+?

There are two options, and a middle ground.

UBI. This will however require some form of population control to stop the low IQ from overpopulating the society.

Ludditism. We simply ban certain technologies. We can still employ automation in other fields. But this raises the question of which era do we return to? 1950's, 1900's, 1500's?

>AI however substitutes the mental input of the worker.
>muuh AI will program by themselves

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We're getting UBI and we're going to pay for it with your SS money and aid to Israel

depopulation

Let's be honest here, faggot, not even the automation industry is safe from automation. If you pay a retard enough money and make him excited, you can get a programmer to teach robots how to program. We literally are almost in that level.

found the yang zoomers, not gonna happen cause its not possible.

We already have the key very close. You already mentioned yourself, we will soon be able to automate research. Well, if we can perfect genetic engineering, we can create high IQ babies or perfect babies or whatever you want to call it.

Yump, Blackrock Capital booted most of their analyst positions and replaced them all with a fintech 3.0 deep learning self adjusting factor investment model

Automation sounds fucking awesome. Why are people so worried about it?

I don't support UBI. I'd much rather solve the core issue itself, being human nature. If we can automate programming and research, we can perfect genetic engineering and implement a perfect, eugenic society.

Yep. It will have to happen.

What's with boomers not understanding the technology? Do you have your assistant do your Excel work for you?

If it were up to the governments of the world, especially America, I wouldn't have any hope in automation taking it off but it's because of the massive financial incentive of big businesses that makes me believe it will take off very quickly.

Finance/accounting undergrads are like 100iq trained monkeys that are overschooled and desperately need to be replaced with automation.

"I don't know what I would do if I didn't have the job" - every sub 120 iq individual

Also most people don't reject it some plain don't understand the effect it will have. This is the technologically illiterate. I.e. boomers.

>What's with boomers not understanding the technology? Do you have your assistant do your Excel work for you?

>calls out the boomer, claims something without proof

Go post that video where the AI plays mario and drives into the water in gta5.

UBI is the answer. But not the entire answer. Imagine having free time to pursue all your pursuits. I'd buy a large plot of land that I'd work.

Have you not seen Google's Deepmind beat the world's best Starcraft 2 players?

bumping for UBI

Theres going to be a basic income implemented at the expense of someone.. either the people that still are working and paying taxes or the AMZNs. Depending on how that goes it'll most likely lead to revolution. Interestingly people dont realize one fundamental property of almost all revolutions... its not that everyone gets fed up that they happen, its when life is looking up and then expectations inflate but are then let down and the outlook gets worse than it was (ie. millenial generation)

There's a limit to what you can change within the context of biology.

A computer can be of infinite size,

You need to do some reading
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Everyone drives into the water in gtaV.
It's part of learning and playing, the point is not a perfect machine that executes a perfect outcome every time.

The point is, a real, flawed, unique intelligence that learns things in its own way. Not a tool or a program, an entity. An entity smarter than you. An entity that can learn to write poetry, music and literature, that can decide what it should do, better than any human.

UBI is the only option. Unfortunately ludditism is infinitely more likely, especially in america. People would rather hold back the progress of technology than accept "handouts" and the increased taxes because of it.

When we automate away the sub 100 iq jobs amd half the population is without work there will be a problem.

Not even the most fundamental misunderstanding. The most fundamental misunderstanding is that isn't anything less than a generational revolution. Even if automation decimates the workforce, it'll be 1-2 generations before things get appreciably better.

There are articles out there that ascribe actual death tolls to the industrial revolution. People starved trying to sell their handcrafted goods because past the age of 25-30, the ability to learn a fundamental skill requires either a nearly-perfect psychometric makeup for it or is the result of a severe trauma response.

Hundreds of thousands of people will starve and go homeless over the next few decades, and many of the posters on this site, given the crowd it selects for, will be among them.

These entities are frightening even if they learn at a rate significantly below human beings. They do not have to battle millions of years of cognitive evolution that causes the short-sighted battle between short-term desires and long-term desires. They don't have to de-stress on a couch and they never want to eat a second pint of ice cream instead of training their skills. They don't even need to be better than people, they've already got us beat on a primal level. The bar is markedly lower than that, though exactly where it is, is admittedly beyond my understanding.

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Man how are you even going to re-skill the hundreds of thousands of young adults struggling with student loan debt or one illness away from losing their job and being evicted as it is?

IQ aside, we already have serious issues with the affordability of education on a massive brick and mortar scale. There's serious real estate and human resource investment in that infrastructure. Your IQ won't matter. All that will matter is whether or not you were in a good financial position or knew people who could take care of you while you take the 5+ years necessary to self-teach something employable and find a contact willing to vouch for you, and even then you'll be markedly behind a curve of fresh graduates from a larger incoming generation competing for a shrinking job market. And then whether you can ride it out for 20-30 years while the next generation stabilizes the economy.

The only bright side is that there are too many people for us to just perish, and too many old ways of being for things to just get destroyed. We're really talking about a breakaway society of rich and truly - meaning not you, 60k larper - middle class people who will conglomerate on the coasts or in major cities while the rest of us live in an Oryx and Crake-style rustpunk world.

>can't skill up past 25-30
>disenfrachised 20-30yr old depressed doomers need to take 5 years to learn a skill

Haha, uh yeah 28 year old here who stopped going to college six years ago, I think all you're gonna see is more suicide and more violence. Busting ass for five years to *maybe* have a shit job? As if you can compete with ten years younger girls and POC. I already feel totally crushed by my prospects, you are really worthless in this economy/social value scale if you can't define your life simply by your profession to signal value to potential partners or even friends - and all the liberal/artsy types are so steeped in identity politics, being an even slightly contrarian(on top of le white male) means you have no where to go but echo chambers like this which are just slowly turning into fed databases to flag us as unstable precriminals

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whatever happens we will profit from it, we are the autists that trade magic internet money before the normies know whats a private key, first one to adapt will survive, we are the first ones, we are all going to make it

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until anyone can live by themselves with energy, food, water costing close to 0, you will need to get wealth, find a way to share wealth

>UBI
ONLY if people happen to be in danger of starving to death. some people just can't save themselves. the state will intervene.

>what will actually happen
taxes from the most wealthy, to feed those who are in danger of dying, reduced weekly work time

UBI will never ever happen, because it's too controversial, it will be taxes, as usual. why change what's already done. people starving will make it even harder to justify tax evasion. you know that's the truth.
on top of that there'll be the old system of debt breaking up, old boomers nonsense, debt, infinite fiat, the state will need to regain some trust at least and have a state money (speaking of EU), if they can't use gold to base it on, they will use bitcoin as the backbone of everything digital. wealth will just change a bit: just a redistribution+living more efficiently, less waste, requiring less wealth to make it work.

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