Immigration in USA: a capitalist defense

It hurts workers by increasing the supply of low wage workers and undercuts wages, all while preventing workers from organizing. Immigrant labor is scab labor.

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There's no refuting
I've asked this to Jow Forums several times and I always get crickets
>Nations come before profits.
What we're talking about is loss of profit, but complete stoppage of economic activities due to lack of manpower. Raising wages might motivate some lower middle class to get off their comfy zone but but it would be merely a palliative.

Think sectors like construction. Not having an social class willing to do the shit jobs would completely change the way things work (by slowing them down quiiiiiiiiiite a bit)

>What we're talking about is NOT loss of profit

Americans don't do it because the pay is shit for those kind of jobs. The wages are suppressed because of a massive oversupply of unskilled labor. This isn't complicated or unintuitive. After we get rid of the excess labor, wages will rise to be in line with the American economy and Americans will be willing to do them. The meme that there's no way Americans would ever do bean work is pushed by the big business that doesn't want to pay higher labor costs

Japan easily and very quickly does construction. Lazy beaners work way, way slower on a work site than a white man. People would absolutely work any job if it paid adequately. Much of blue collar America is out of work and has little opportunity as is.

Are you defending extortionist pseudo-slave labor practices?

Without immigration the wages of these jobs would increase until they would pay a wage sufficient to hire americans. Of course this is horrible for capitalists which is why they always lobby for increasing the labor pool.

Even Japan is slowly and awkwardly admitting they need "guest workers" of sorts

US has millions of unemployed, the only thing that limiting immigration would hurt is the profit margin of capitalists.

They also seep off welfare, take from the producers, take from the wealth creators, cause crime, and vote for leftists and socialists. Also, they create zero value whatsoever - working in a low skilled job that a chimp can do isn't valuable - why can't you cunts be like the old European immigrants who built businesses, created jobs, innovated, invented the greatest machines, made the greatest scientific discoveries, and paved the way for prosperity?

Did you mean to say that japanese capitalists are mad that they have to pay a reasonable wage to their workers?

How come their infrastructure is far superior to America's and Europe then?

I guess it would have to be tried. Meanwhile, China will be advancing unhindered.

Socialism makes immigration undesirable. They go to a country and get all the benefits that the country provides, paid by tax payer money.

If welfare and things of the sort didn't exist, immigration wouldn't be such a problem

How many immigrants does china take?

Japanese infrastructure is far better than China's, which is second rate, and even worse than America's.

>Immigration is important because immigrants are the ones that make the cheap labour that americans dont want to do

Immigrants drive down labor costs because of them willing to work for less and live in subsidized housing. While the results are evident immediately for unskilled labor: This eventually bleeds into specialty trades like Mechanics, Electricians, Welders, etc. Immigration on a small scale is good to help wages from inflating, but on a large/unchecked scale this allows labor to hit rock bottom which is good for the market, but lowers the American standard of living across the board for the average worker.

This is like business economics 101, OP.

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Americans don't want to do cheap labor for Minimum Wage or less. Illegals do because it's better than the sweatshops down south where you can also get kidnapped and decapitated.

If you actually let the free market dictate wages using supply and demand, the wages would fall to where they should be for agricultural. Would that mean more expensive food? Yeah but it wouldn't be double or triple. Would some businesses go out of business without the cheap labor? Yeah, but the same happened with slavery.

The free market can't function when there is an unlimited supply of cheap, low skilled labor. Being a farm worker might actually be a decent career in another universe where the USA enforced actually it's borders.

we're not capitalists, we're national socialists. that means money takes a back seat to the race.
take your shitskin loving jew controlled nigger bullshit elsewhere.

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>housing
The other effect of this is that cheap housing gets filled up with illegal and dangerous beaners, so if you don't want your children raped you have to pay out the ass for housing. California is a really prime example of this.

No need, it has an enormous poor population willing to do the job. All fast growing economies (India, Brasil) also have that.

Obviously those countries are still shitholes but for how long?

The national socialists imported millions of poles and other slavs to work for them.

it's impossible actually, to be both a mexican and an american, because one is a hybrid with polynesian savages, and the other is a white anglo-saxon pure bred.

To further add to this, even if you were to work for the same shitty wage, from the employers perspective you don't have to pay payroll taxes on the illegal or deal with workman compensation due to injuries.

How would an American compete with that without also violating the law and going along with working under the table?

there is no such thing as a pole. a "pole" is merely a mongrelized aryan-slav hybrid.
as for the slavs, well fuck man, it was a war. all is fair in love and war.

As I said US also has millions of people to draw labor from, the issue is that limiting immigration would hurt shareholder profits which is why it’s so fanatically defended. In terms of actual need there is no benefit to immigration.

Which jobs is it, specifically, that americans don't want to do? Is there a reference list someplace?

Employing illegals, above all, means employing people who can't make use of the judicial system, in addition to devaluing the pay, more often than not, at the expense of both quality of labor as well as potential productivity.

The simple way to put it is that it hurts society in the same way slavery does, because job-market wise, that's what it is.

In addition, US is really not that difficult to immigrate into legally, and it's not really on overstatement to say that illegals en masse is a very low quality of human material, that, you really wouldn't want to have in your country anyway.

The only market arrangement where it sort of makes sense is from the point of view of an employer, cutting the costs somewhat. But it only does so 'locally' as the disadvantages, described above, which massively outweigh the benefits are suffered by the society as a whole, so personal losses of the employer are, usually, negligible.

In short — individuals trying to manipulate the market locally by lobbying strategically disastrous policies. Horrible idea, build the wall.

Nihilistic as fuck. One of my teachers in high school once said something about how our population is not reproducing at a sustainable rate, so we need to bring in immigrants to maintain productivity growth. These people who think like this are fucking filth.

jobs that americans allegedly don't want to do is a jewish creation to justify mongrelization. there is no job americans won't do for the right price.

>y'see you need us because we do the jobs you could be doing but we undercut you with our third world understanding of economic value

we don't need economic growth, we need population reduction, especially of the high budgetary impact types. if we eliminate niggers and spics and their increased costs, we actually wind up better off economically, even with a lower GDP and population.

used to be that young people did those jobs as a temporary thing till they could get a better one. and the jobs had to be done, and everyone with better qualifications was already working elsewhere. so you did your time in a shit job for a while, thats just a thing young people did.

but now people dont really expect to move up in the same way they used to. they think of entry level jobs like fruit picking as something they have to support a family on for a lifetime. rather then as a temporary step to better work. so of course theyre not interested in picking fruit anymore, they dont have to, and its not going to get them anywhere.

young people today they expect to either work for a decade or two in a dead end job and not thinking further then that or they think theyll get a job out of schooling.

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>That 80 year old boomer

The ones we get here are from central america. Half indian mutts that are incapable of anything.

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you expected more?

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>complete stoppage of economic activities due to lack of manpower
Fiction. All races can do menial labor.

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I support the extermination of all illegal aliens and the greedy Jews that hire them.
Conversely, I hold very little ill will for documented wetbacks that effectively (legally) suppress wages, or the entrepreneurs that hire them for peanuts.
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Corporations that support the invasion of their host nation should be treated as foreign combatants. Corporations hiring illegal immigrants are more dangerous and destructive to our country than the illegals themselves. Always kill your traitors before killing your enemies.

Well your kids could use those jobs to gain entry into the job market, as well. But that would actually benefit the people at the bottom so of course the kikes wouldn't want that.

Nationalism is always the answer, I've found out.

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If Americans don't want to do the labour then the corporations need to increase the wages or working conditions in order to get labourers. That is a good thing.

poor white people can do it.

Poor people suck up more in gibs than they pay in taxes. Illegal immigration is basically just another farming subsidy. Mexicans are an overall net drain on everyone else.

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You don't, this is what Jow Forums doesnt understand. A healthy capitalist system NEEDS immigration to keep profits high and to supplement the low birthrates.
>Nations come before profits
No they don't. We live in a capitalist system. Without profit, then the capitalists wouldnt be able to invest and provide the cheap goods and services YOU use everyday.

No cocksucker, poor working class people NEED your tax payer money because thr CAPITALISTS dont pay them living wages. Keep paying those taxes faggot, the capitalist NEEDS his money in order to invest and keep products low in cost.

The economy is a tool to serve the population, not the other way around. Destroying your own demographics in order to squeeze out some temporary profit is treason.

>remove illegal beaners doing jobs for pennies
>OY VEY NOW WE HAVE TO PAY WORKERS A FAIR WAGE IT'S LIKE ANODAH SHOAH

>₪1 has been deposited into your account

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No it’s not. It’s actually illegal to hire illegal immigrant workers.

We need to stop that from happening.

Our cheap labor is done by slaves in China. We don't need niggers and spics in America for that.

>Leftist Then: OMG!!! Importing 3rd world people for the purposes of cheap labor is wrong!!! It is slavery!!!

>Leftist Now: OMG!!! Importing 3rd world people is a necessity because without them who will do our low end jobs!!! It is not slavery!!!

When pressed leftist are advocating for what is essentially economic slavery hidden behind claims of desiring "diversity" or some other bullshit.

Liberals want this free flow of people through our borders because it allows child sex trafficking to flourish which pleases Liberal pedophiles.

It's basically glorified indentured servitude if you're going to sell it like that.

So American businesses benefit from immigration. How is that a bad thing? You white people are stupid as fuck! You just want to bitch about nothing!

Ditch diggers don't get paid well because their job provides little value to society. If they think they're entitled to other people's money just for existing, they can fuck right off.

cheap labor holds back technological advancements.

So if those jobs provide little "value" then why do those jobs still exist faggot. Are you a proponent of slavery?

Because enterprises can remain profitable even at tiny margins if they scale up large enough. If a worker gets paid 35 cents a day and they make 40 cents worth of product, your company can still justify employing them if you hire 50 thousand of them.

People are entitled to what they make, not what they need. Ditch diggers are not very productive, and they are paid accordingly.

So slave owners were cool then?

If that's the idea, how is it not better for these companies to move where the labor is? If it's just a question of bringing business and slave labor together then the capital can move.

>Think sectors like construction. Not having an social class willing to do the shit jobs would completely change the way things work (by slowing them down quiiiiiiiiiite a bit)

For one thing, it would be interesting to see just how reluctant the indigenous population is to perform these jobs provided they're paid better. We know for a fact they were not unwilling to do them in the past.

But since the point appear to be importing cheap labor, then we could presumably cut you some kind of deal. Temporary workers not eligible for citizenship or the franchise can come to countries were they are needed under the supervision of the business hiring them. These businesses are responsible for these workers and may only hire them for a temporary period at the end of which they must demonstrate to the government that they have send the migrant back to his country of origin. Failure to do so results in a fine equivalent to double the salary of the migrant worker for the duration of the contract and in the prohibition of the migrant worker from entering the country ever again.

Participation in a temporary cheap labor program does not give the worker any kind of preferential treatment in any future immigration proceedings. Were the temporary worker to have children in the host country, the children is not to receive citizenship and the migrant is to be immediately expelled upon discovery of birth of both the temporary worker and the child irrespective of who the mother is or the legal status of the child.

Not every business can move. Agriculture is fixed, so those corps can only benefit if 3rd world labor moves to them.

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Here's a better argument from a Capitalist.

Yeah, and those same Americans are the ones that complain that the minimum wage should be raised to $15+/hour because da ebil billionaires are hording all the money. The left is so fucking dumb; they cheer Juan coming across the border but cry that they have to work for as much as he's willing to.

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See .

The alternative here are obviously one along the lines I've just outlined, then higher wages to attract domestic workers, and then automatisation.

Agriculture is not as fixed as we think, simply because it is always possible to import food from somewhere else or the change what's grown on a particular patch of land.

All of this, of course, comes at a cost. But I don't think anyone here disagrees that having a more restrictive immigration policy would impose costs. They simply argue that these costs are worth it.

>how do you refute this?
Child Labor is important because Chinese toddlers are the ones that make the cheap labor that adults don't want to do

Americans don't want to do it because the wages are too low.
The wages are too low because of immigrant second class labor.