I've come to conclude that good people don't exist. 'Good people' are an idea we've created to avoid facing the reality that everyone sucks; people can do 'good things', but those are likely a social catalyst to achieve another goal. They do 'good things' to demonstrate to others why they should be given more, whether it's abstract things like social value, or physical things like a reward.
How do you cope Jow Forums? I'm trying to convince myself that a strategy exists that will let me want to function and live for the next however many years, but by god, the only thing that keeps me alive is the seeming impossibility of suicide.
Inb4 drugs or therapists Done them both, not helpful
Plenty of people just do things out of harmonious nature, or doing good because that's how they like things to be. I have a few decades of experience knowing people and not many are twats. Jow Forums is where the twats hide.
John White
>Plenty of people just do things out of harmonious nature, or doing good because that's how they like things to be. You have a very different experience from me. My experience with people is them being violent, creating conflicts wherever possible, doing anything for their fuckbuddies, and my personal favourite is the lying. At this point, I don't think I've had a single altercation in my life where the other person didn't rush out to lie about shit.
This is the big thing, people go out and lie to make it look like they were doing a good thing. People do stuff for their fuckbuddies and try to dress it up as a good thing. People are violent, and they try to make it look like a god thing. They can pick arguments with you over nothing, and still try to portray it as doing a good thing. People do 'good things' when they stand to gain, or they're so indifferent to the action that they just don't care.
I want to sit here and say "Y'know people are mostly good!", but even the people you think are good, will when it's opportune resort to the above tactics and nonsense. It doesn't matter how much credibility you build up with them, it doesn't matter if you've known each other for years, that can be flipped instantly.
Jeremiah Collins
I know a ghetto where people are like that. They want soap operas/reality TV and act like it too. I also knew a slightly posh group who did a lot of bitching behind each others backs.
Those are my two worst experiences in my life though. I've known countless nice groups of people and been to hundreds of nice places with decent communities.
Mason Sanders
If most people weren't at least minimally good enough, we wouldn't be sitting here writing to each other through magical space plastic in separate parts of the world. We'd be alone in caves, feasting on the bodies of rivals after we stabbed them enough times with pointy sticks. We evolved past that.
Ryder Morgan
What am I doing wrong? I can't escape this. I don't live in a ghetto or a shitty city, but I can empathise with these sub 90 IQ dregs trying to have soap opera lives. I'm so sick of dealing with this, it's in 'friendship circles', office politics, education, it's fucking everywhere.
My plan was to move to China so people just wouldn't talk to me. Learn functional Chinese but nothing more. That way I hope people will leave me out of their shit.
Logan Perez
>My plan was to move to China so people just wouldn't talk to me.
Not only are Chinese people social, you'll be sticking out like a sore thumb being the only White (Black?) guy there, so people will want to talk to you or try to sell you shit even more than normal.
Grayson Bennett
And they'll fail because I don't speak Chinese. I want the amenities and convenience of social life but don't want to do any of the socialising. I don't want to be a hermit because that shit is way harder work.
Adrian Reyes
>move to China >don't speak Chinese
something's missing there.
Samuel Price
They're racist as fuck and will hire white people just to look good, want to finish my degree, then move out there. I want the minimal shit, like being able to say what food I want. That's about it. This is how much I hate dealing with people; it has been a pointless exercise in my own will to believe that some people aren't garbage.
Josiah Flores
>This is how much I hate dealing with people;
by moving to the country with the most people in it?
Also >it has been a pointless exercise in my own will to believe that some people aren't garbage.
not being racist, it's mostly a matter of numbers since China is so heavily populated and has "growing pains" as a country, but you will find SO many garbage people there. Definitely much more than where you live now.
Oliver Walker
>not being racist, it's mostly a matter of numbers since China is so heavily populated and has "growing pains" as a country, but you will find SO many garbage people there Oh, I'm aware. I actually want the language barrier to be enough of a barrier to keep them away from me. I want them to interact with me very little if possible. I can't do that here. I speak English. They speak to me and I understand. I have no choice but to understand. It is a choice to live in a society where I have the capacity for ignorance. There will be many people, and yet few of them will speak anything resembling functional English, and fewer still enough English to converse about anything more than menial daily shit like "Hello have you watched any TV?".
If I ignore English speakers, it's a reflection on me. If I just don't understand the language? I get to do it freely.
Xavier Thompson
>If I ignore English speakers, it's a reflection on me. If I just don't understand the language? I get to do it freely.
Well they'll resent you for being a foreigner that comes over there and steals their job, at which point you've become what you hate.
Evan Morris
>at which point you've become what you hate Where have you gotten that from? I don't care about the foreigners here.
I care about the people here being worthless, incredulous, and completely untrustworthy.
Henry Kelly
what about people who think that they're above the rest of the world and think that everyone else but them is scum that should stay away?
Ian Carter
Above? No. I'm not asking to be lauded. I want to be left alone by the world. I want to just do a simple job, and not get fucked with by people. I do not believe people are capable of not producing drama or problems, so I don't want to know anyone well. I want to know them just enough that my socially wired brain doesn't shit the bed and go crazy, but not enough to ever be involved with nonsense like that again.
Owen Hall
>I do not believe people are capable of not producing drama or problems
you're just paraphrasing
Jace Ortiz
No, I'm not, you're reading what you want out of it to try and justify your stance. Some people like that drama and bullshit, I do not.
Luis Edwards
Yeah fairly common thought in intellectual powerhouses.
Nathaniel Ward
>it's the old "I'm 16 and there's no such thing as a selfless act" The first bit you commit to is stop being so black and white
It's people like you that cause people to stop doing-- ahem, by your terms-- "good" things. Because they put themselves out there, on the line, and you thankless fucks put them on blast for it.
Honestly, the reason you can't see good in the world is probably because you don't have a whole lot of it in you. I'm not gonna claim to be an avatar of good (though I put others before myself quite regularly), but jesus fuck, you gotta be on some MGTOW, incel-level bullshit to just wipe 'good acts' off the table completely.
I have no idea why your only outlet for this is Jow Forums, and yet you somehow believe you're grasped of the worldly experience to determine that not a single good person exists. The internet was a fucking mistake.
The problem, as it is, is just that everyone can cherrypick every shitty example of literally anything and everything on Earth, so it's almost arbitrarily easy to paint things in a bad light and then you just end up being part of the problem, a naysaying pessimist who shits on other people to get ahead, thus contributing to a lack of goodness in the world.
Fuckin' mistake.
Luis Moore
>I'm going to invent a lot of drivel never said in the OP with my armchair psychology degree Thanks doc, I'll take it twice a day.
To quote my post here: >They can pick arguments with you over nothing, and still try to portray it as doing a good thing. Right now, you're trying to argue with someone that just wants to check out of society about why they shouldn't be allowed to check out of society because they're not good enough to do so. Just pause, take a look at your actions. My experience has taught me that people don't do good things for free, it's always a bargaining tool, it's always to accomplish something, and it always comes with fine print. Those are my experiences, nobody else's.
Now someone else might have a completely different opinion. They may have found something in people, that I simply do not see. They might be the beneficiary of people's 'kindness' social trading, where I'm not. Hell, for all I know they could just be luckier than me. But, even if it is completely my fault, even if I deserve everything I've gotten, why are you so hostile that I want to check out and live the most bare bones superficial life possible?
Asher Flores
>Some people like that drama and bullshit
and you're saying that human beings are incapable of not producing drama or problems.
Ironically you're the only one producing problems for yourself, you say that people are shit but you're the one person with a shit view of the world.
Camden Brown
>I'm going to pompously fund my argument by making up your point Nice, make sure to put it in point form so you don't confuse yourself.
I get your point, you're a shitty person who thinks everyone else is shitty 'cuz they're shitty. Not my fault you can't break past it, that's all on you. And if I don't seem like I'm being very good, it's because I have no interest in helping a helpless person check out of society. All this big tough talk like you're somehow above it all and here you are on Jow Forums's tit, with the S U C C for that sweet, sweet milk of knowledge. Of-- wait for it-- someone else to come in and... wait for it... wait for it! HELP you!
Wow!
Dumb fucking cunt. Talk shit about society in the same fucking breath, off the same lips you're sucking its dick with.
Brandon Diaz
I think you're my case in point about why people are garbage. Let's face it, you came in here to do nothing other than to argue, because you feel attacked after I said I don't think people do good shit for good reasons. Does the opinion of one person on an anonymous imageboard rattle your sensibilities this much? What, I go from being a shitty person to being helpless?
You have so little to offer, that all you do is post an attack to defend your own world view. You've contributed nothing, possibly outside of this thread too, and yet you demand that your opinion is worth more than another's. I didn't ask for your dick for brains naive world view, I asked other people that have checked out of interacting with others what they use to get through it. So, why don't you fuck off back to the playroom and sit down with the teletubbies or something?
Kevin Wright
>you feel attacked Right. You came here, asked for help from us and then just told us there's nobody good and no good act. So since you're pretty evidently thankless from the get-go, of course I have no interest in doing anything helpful for you. There was a distant hope that you might see the hypocrisy in your actions but you don't, and you won't, because this is Jow Forums and you can backpedal endlessly. It's not about whether you can consider that you're your own problem, it never is on Jow Forums-- it's just that you can lash out at others and make them the problems, because nobody can tell you to your face that you're being a moron and so you never have to listen.
You're your own point-in-case. You cry about the state of good people being gone, how all 'good' acts are just selfish, and then sit here and whine for help like some sort of retarded puppy. "How do I check out of society? Pls be good to me, guys!"
Please, eat fewer crayons next time you come to post.
Caleb Lopez
You're an angry little fucker aren't you? Even now, the entire premise of your argument is the assumption that I'm a shitty person. That's the best you've got. You have no idea what my experiences are, only that they're wrong, because that's the image you have to keep in your head to justify sperging out like this.
You're also crazy desperate to colour my actions by writing shit like 'whine', when user, you're the only one here whining. I'm quite content to check out of society, this thread clearly wasn't aimed at you. You just had to come in to espouse your own internal nonsense because you can't process that other people think differently to you.
>So since you're pretty evidently thankless from the get-go, of course There's no backpedalling here, but you really need to be thanked to post something useful on an image board? Holy fuck, you are my case in point. You can't even be indifferent enough about an anonymous post online to post something useful, because I hurt your fucking feelings by having a different world view. Just, 10/10.
Logan Carter
Good and Evil exist, and if you don't know the difference then you're just a weak person, mentally and physically. Good people are strong people because they choose do selfless things, and that takes a lot of mental fortitude. Good people perservere and uphold their morals and convictions because they are strong, even when things are really tough. Weak people think inwardly and selfishly, doesn't matter if they are physically strong or make lots of money.
Good people strive to make the world a better place, not for themselves but because it's the right thing to do.
And yes, there are very few of them, but they exist. Many are called, but only few answer
Ethan Sanders
>Good and Evil exist, and if you don't know the difference then you're just a weak person, mentally and physically. You're not about to try and introduce me to Jesus are you? Why preach? I'm literally asking how to ditch any societal requirements, not for a lesson in morality.
Henry Cox
No Satan, I'm not trying to preach about Jesus, though I am a believer
Jokes aside, I don't know what you mean about societal requirements, but I advise choosing to believe in something, to have convictions to live by. Otherwise you'll always feel helpless and confused about generally everything
Juan Lee
>I don't know what you mean about societal requirements, but I advise choosing to believe in something, to have convictions to live by.
As I've stated previously in the thread, I never want emotionally depth with other people. I don't want to be included in their personal lives, office politics, any of that crap. I don't think I'd be missing out on anything, other than convincing myself that people aren't incredibly transient and self suiting.
