Dating someone with different political beliefs?

the irony in a right winger being more tolerant than a leftie is hilarious

Right wingers support the status quo, so it's easier to be off-beat about it.

Besides, if your views differ too much, it's not even about right or wrong, shit just doesn't work and it's not the fault of anyone.

This sounds right. I'm sort of moderate/left leaning, and I dated a very left wing girl for 5 months. I was totally fine with her beliefs, but she was not fine with mine, I had to break up with her because she wouldn't stop beating me up about my views on certain social issues, (which, for the record, were progressive by most standards, she just couldn't handle any amount of disagreement.)

It depends on the person, but if your ideology frames individuals as victims or perpetrators, those who disagree will likely fall into the second category. Good luck.

Right wingers are more tolerant are you retarded? I didn't see right wing protesters vandalizing cities or blocking traffic anywhere when Obama was president, did you?

agreed but i also see people saying antifa are not fascist scum when they are, im talking how theyre perceived as right wingers are labelled nazis (aka intolerant)

>Believing in the left-right dichotomy to begin with
You dumbass.
Populists can find common ground across party lines, as can isolationists. Half of the “right” nowadays are constantly bitching about the media elite and the rich to the point where they could get along with a lukewarm commie. Politics isn’t as simplistic as you think it is.

Ah I misunderstood your post, my apologies

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>people saying antifa are not fascist
Not everyone you don't like is a fascist. There is nothing about them to qualify for fascism. Try violent extremists/anarchists.

>if you're not a nazi or a commie you don't have serious convictions
Has it occurred to you that I might simply be opposed to mass murder?

>using violence to silence other people's free speech while begging for the government to get involved where they don't belong
>not fascism

We haven't talked much about it. I guess I'm okay with differing political opinions in a relationship as long as you share similar values, which I get the vibe we do.
I was talking to her last night about how I'm not a feminist and tend to lean conservative sometimes and how that's been a problem in the past and she made it seem like it wouldn't be a problem for her. Perhaps I'm just jumping the gun thinking that our different perspectives are going to cause problems, I just have never had much success in my couple years of college trying to talk politics with people who I disagree with and not have it go south for some reason.

>fascism is just being authoritarian
brainlet post
It's not

my boyfriend is a liberal poli sci major and i’m pretty conservative.

we get into arguments occasionally but overall we try to not talk politics as much as we can despite that being his life passion

we try to find common ground and we try our best not to fight

other than politics, we have everything else in common.

if that’s your only weak point, you can have a long term relationship. i’ve been with my boyfriend for a year and we plan on getting married after undergrad or grad school

you can make it work if you really want to make it work

I’m not in the center on any issue. I just choose to make decisions about individual issues instead of eating an entire party platform. Centrism is lazy. If you want to participate in politics, you should at least be smart enough to evaluate things on a case by case basis.

>centrist
>opposed to mass murder
Wahahaha.

If you both don't try to impose your beliefs and respect each other, those differences may even be interesting. It's annoying to have someone who always agrees with you on everything, after all.

Not an argument faggot.

>Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy
Cmon LH I normally think you're actually based for a trip faggot but you're 100% wrong

>not a problem
For now. I don't know how extreme she is but eventually something political will happen and she will spew some ridiculous uninformed opinion she picked up from some friend/news and you will both clash. Tread lightly friend

So where is the connection to antifa? Beyond beating nazis, they also do random shit like burning cars. They are barely political beyond "fuck this shit" infantility. (Well, not like they are even a consistent group but let's roll with that)

> those differences may even be interesting.
Nearly every study that's come out on the subject shows that couples who disagree on core values have a far harder time staying together than those who are similar.

>antifa
>ultranationalism
Even taking the Wikipedia definition (which is going to be biased given that there are editors who are openly communist, and they skew heavily left-wing overall), it's not true.
Fascism as a doctrine is going to favor a powerful state, but that has nothing to do with a bunch of thugs that want to abolish the state.
Not to mention the "dictatorial power" is misleading, given that Mussolini was removed from power by the Grand Council of Fascism.

All this is beside the point, which is that not all authoritarianism is fascism, nor should fascism be used as a pejorative--especially if the meaning isn't logical in context.

I can tell you're an idiot because your qualms are so incredibly vague. You don't gauge this woman on her individual merits but rather an amalgamation of "the left" that you've decided is true. You use the word "hate" to describe a vast group of people based on your perception of them as opposed to who they actually are and what they actually believe. You are, ironically, the exact embodiment of unproductive discourse. You pedal the same kind of generalized, uninformed rhetoric that you claim to hate. The fact that you're unwilling to even entertain the possibility that you could at all find yourself aligned with someone based solely on a label and not the specific beliefs that you find disagreeable says to me that you have neither the maturity nor intellect to navigate this situation in an adult manner. This has nothing to do with your political beliefs. I would say the same thing if the political ideals were reversed. Its immaturity, plain and simple. I would not even remotely consider being with someone who was hesitant to be with me because I didn't share their generalized hatred for a large group of people based solely on their label and not their specific ideals. Anyone who would bother to say something like "I hate the left/the right and I can't be with anyone who doesn't blindly hate and generalize them the same way I do" is not a mature, or intellectually capable person.

>beating Nazi's
What Nazis? There are no fucking Nazis that go out in public. They go to free speech rallies and try and shut it down how is that not political?

Antifa doesn't want to abolish the state though? They just want their people to be in charge of the state and for the state to be much stronger and crack down on "hate speech" which means destroying the first amendment. Maybe they aren't the textbook definition of fascism but that have a lot of symptoms of it.

see
birds of a feather and all that, who wouldve thought people got on better when they have similar ideals
nice try at sounding half intelligent though, but youre living in a fantasy world

There are, but the ones that aren't retarded or crazy keep it to themselves. That's why you only see the true subhumans walking around with swastikas, because they're the only ones dumb enough to not realize what will happen. Also, there's false flagging like crazy.
In Charlottesville, there was one guy with the Nazi flag and it still had fold marks from the package.

Lets also keep in mind that ANTIFA is a banner, not an organization. Literally anybody can pick up a flag or patch and identify as ANTIFA. There is no application process nor a process for a central governing body to perform any kind of vetting process. They don't accept or reject numbers. In fact, there is no they. Trying to portray ANTIFA as some cohesive organization that has some kind of governing body or shared goal is just willful ignorance. Buying a black bandana and kicking the shit out of a nazi makes me ANTIFA just as much as buying a Peyton Manning jersey makes me the quarterback for the Colts.

Antifa is in large part (some local groups lean towards statist communism) self-described as anarcho-communist. Leaving the practical results of their shenanigans aside, they are pretty much as far away from fascism as you can get, in that they are internationalist and anti-government.
The only thing they have in common with fascists is a greater-than-average willingness to use force compared with more-"mainstream" ideologies.

>Nazi
Nazis all died 80 years ago
Nobody should ever identify or attach themselves to a party that lost and got beat. That brand needs to die if white nationalists ever have hope of accomplishing anything

>anarcho-communist
What the fuck
How can you be a communist and favor anarchy at the same time? Those two are very mutually exclusive ideals

>hitler tripfag has a better understanding of antifa than some radical centrist
Never change, Internet.

I'm not saying that he should stay with her. I'm also not saying that political beliefs aren't an important factor in deciding who you want to date. What I'm saying is that basing your decision on whether or not to date someone based on your generalized hatred for a massive group of people and not on the specific beliefs that person holds that you find disagreeable is moronic and infantile. If he ends up speaking to her about her ideas and finds that they are just too different then I see no problem with parting ways. His statement should be "I decided not to date her because we fundamentally disagree on these specific topics that are important to me" not "I decided not to date her because she considers herself liberal". That kind of refusal to prioritize policy and logic over party is the exact reason political discourse has become such a shit show in this country. I don't see anything fantastical about judging people based on their specific merits as a person and not your broad generalizations about who you assume they must be based on their political affiliations. I believe that people with similar ideals can and do get along better all the time but refusing to entertain the possibility that you can get along with someone that has some different ideals is the habit of a close-minded idiot.

You do realise that commies want a stateless society, right?

Its amazing how much time you have to read when you don't have to worry about having friends or a life or a girlfriend or any other human being who wants to spend any time around you. Lets all not forget that you can be well read and a giant piece of shit at the same time.

Name ONE communist society that was ever stateless.

Okay, since you're clearly too eager to get on your high horse to interpret what I actually mean, allow me to break it down for you.
I don't hate every person who considers themselves a liberal or a Democrat or a leftist. I hate what has happened to the left and feminism and how it doesn't stand for equality and justice anymore. Read more carefully next time.
And perhaps if you weren't so busy attacking your keyboard, you would've read that I don't see different political opinions as an issue as long as your core values are still in the right place.

That's why people who sympathize with parts of the ideology don't call themselves Nazis in public. I just call myself a paleoconservative, and at full redpill mode (in other words, not publicly) just white nationalist. It more accurate, anyway. "Lebensraum" is just a meme and I would never seriously consider implementing that or a number of other projects from the time.
Radical centrists don't have a vested interest in determining why group A or B is violent, they just don't like disturbances.
They say that workers should organize themselves horizontally without an oppressive state organ, it's autistic to expect it would work, but then again so is regular communism, and that doesn't stop them.
I go to uni, but thanks for the compliment.

There was never a communist society. The best attempts reached socialism and then turned in your average dictatorship.

>Lets all not forget that you can be well read and a giant piece of shit at the same time.
Very true but the topic in question doesn't require too much know-how. Even skimming wiki would do the trick.

Nod drue gommunism! :DDDDDD

>IT WASN'T REAL COMMUNISM
Probably because the concept is fucking stupid and unsustainable.

Not the guy you’re replying to but you’re fucking retarded, OP.
“Stand for”? The “left” has never stood for anything, because what you’re describing is a rough, constantly-changing loose collection of vaguely-related beliefs. Stop falling for symbolism. If you want to discuss politics with your woman at all, stop wasting your time making stupid threads like this and go do some research.

>I hate what has happened to the left and feminism
Firstly, left and liberal aren't the same thing. Secondly "the left" isn't any more of a unifying monicker than "the right" is. Anyone who says anything as moronic as "I hate what has happened to the left" hasn't even bothered to differentiate which left or even how far left. "The left" isn't a football team, moron. Anyone even slightly left of center could be considered "the left" but, as anyone with half a frontal lobe understands, "the left" is by no means a cohesive ideology. The same goes with feminism. There are multiple waves, multiple sub-sets. There is intersectional, non-intersectional. Like I said, I know you're an idiot because you haven't even bothered to properly inform yourself on the topic you claim to hate before claiming you hate it. This kind of idiocy says to me that your idea of "the left" and feminism is just the shit you are spoon-fed from your Facebook feed.

>I don't see different political opinions as an issue as long as your core values are still in the right place.
Again, your incredible vagueness betrays your weak attempts at appearing at all intellectual. You say phrases like "political opinions" and "core values" like you're an undergrad writing some half-assed uproxx op-ed yet continuously fail to clarify your position and claim I'm on a "high horse" for having no clue what the fuck you're talking about. You know so little about the groups you claim to hate that I fail to see how determining whether or not your "core values" are different is possible. It speaks volumes of your idiocy that you think being informed on the topic you speak of is tantamount to being on a "high horse". You're a moron, OP.

Based and redpilled.

> is it possible to have a relationship with someone who thinks their ( female)sex is superior
Nope

Imagine thinking this is what feminism means

> imagine being right for once in your life
Maybe one day buddy you’ll get there

Well it sure as hell hasn't meant equality for a long time now so you tell me what it means

Maybe you'll post a single source to back up what you're saying instead of using insults
It just changed from equality of opportunity to equality of outcome, but both have been retarded goals.

> source
The word is femenism not humanism

>Hitler is educating brainlets on feminism
MIND BLOWN.

Humanism has nothing to do inherently with equality.
It does you no good if you steadfastly refuse to learn about your enemies.
If I did what my detractors do and simply made some retarded caricature of people or ideologies I hated, I'd get nowhere even if an opportunity to face them came about.

Thank fuck most people on your side can't even think that far.

> i avoid the truth even when the word itself is sexist
K

Well let me be more specific then. I know the left isn't one group. Since you have zero capability of inferring anything I mean, let me use a couple examples.
>I hate what has happened to the left and feminism
I hate how your typical person who identifies as a left-leaning person embraces ideas like multiculturalism, or transgender rights or Marxism. It's not compatible with my particular values, like how I believe the west is a superior culture to the rest of the world, or how I don't see transgenderism as anything more than a mental disorder, or that capitalism is a superior economic model.
>I don't see different political opinions as an issue as long as your core values are still in the right place.
Most people who identify as liberals do not value self-ownership or personal responsibility as much as say a conservative or a libertarian would. That's just one example. I wouldn't want a woman to raise my son to be sensitive instead of masculine (another leftist theme) or to raise my daughter telling her it's okay to fuck 100 guys because the same standards that apply to men apply to women.
In other words
>I'm a retard who feels the need to be autistic about minutia to feel superior to everyone else

>my side
Most people can't think that far, period.
It's by design, too--hence why you see the media constantly conflating terms, like smearing nationalists as "supremacists", academia """redefining""" words to suit whatever bullshit theory is peddled by a tenured professor, or so on.

Sexism is another buzzword. Men and women are different, so what.

HOLY SHIT. Left-leaning people digging Marxism. What went wrong?

>Sexism is another buzzword
In what fucking way? Stop conflating terms to peddle whatever bullshit theory you subscribe to

think about it this way.

if she was a conservacuck like you the following would have happened

you wouldnt have met, because she wouldnt be in college
and
she wouldnt be interested in you because you cant pay for her to stay at home and take care of kids

so you can be grateful she isnt retarded because you wouldnt have a chance with her if she was.

> men and women are different
Yes
> men have movements call manism that promotes equality
No because that would be like femenism which promotes one sex not both which is unequal
Simple logic bro

>conflating terms
Conflating it with what?
If you're going to tell me it has to do with hatred (a meme definition), then I stand by what I said originally in that feminism has nothing to do with it. Granted, newer "feminists" dabble in man-hating, but that's a separate discussion.
If it simply means that you think men and women are different and have different functions, then it's just a pointless label.

Feminists hold that women should be equal to men, and yes there are meninists but I don't take them seriously. Ironically by demanding "equality" and calling it feminism they are basically asserting that women are at least at the moment inferior (and by evaluating both men and women by male standards, you're ensuring they remain inferior).
Don't take my definitions as a defense of feminism by any stretch.

Not worth it.

Once a stupid leftie, always a stupid leftie. Plus, sometimes they go deeper and fall for the communism or the democratic socialism meme.

I mean, I was a stupid leftie at one point. Sometimes you just need someone or something to show you that you're wrong.

Capitalism is working greatttt instead