Improved my appearance

I dont really pursue girls because they dont appear interested in me at all. Like girls just dont really notice me as a sexual being or potential partner. Imagine if you were friend zoned by every girl you met within seconds of meeting them, that's basically my life

>But then I come back home and late at night alone I remember the fact that I'm an adult dude who has never had a girl interested in him let alone actually got close to a date, and I get into a state of panic thinking its never ever going to happen for me.

Stop waiting for it to happen and be a little pro-active. I'm sure you've chatted with girls. If you want it to be sexual/romantic, you need to take some steps to make it so. Girls are rarely going to do it because they don't want to be perceived as slutty. It can be scary because you don't want to be shamed and called a creep or whatever, but just try little things, touch them a bit when a conversation is going well - high fives, arm around them, whatever. Keep pushing your boundaries bit by bit. There's nothing wrong with being sexually attracted to women and it's okay to express it.

Okay, so you're a beta pussy. Problem identified.

I just dont really feel confident at all doing these things

You have to understand that when you receive absolutely zero romantic or sexual attention from girls at all, it really damages your self esteem as a guy. I'm worried that girls will just reject me if I show any interest in them. Because if they were open to dating me, surely they would just show their interest?

Women, in general, don't want to be loved. You are really taking fiction as truth here, and that's why your views are all fogged and you're still not having sex. Women wants to be abused psychologically, to be fucked then left in the morning, to be cheated on. They crave for men who do those things, and you are doing the opposite.

>I'm worried that girls will just reject me if I show any interest in them.
So? They aren't dating you already, a rejection would only confirm what you already know.

Calm down there, incel-kun.

>Because if they were open to dating me, surely they would just show their interest?
That's not how women work at all. They won't show any interest until you do.

Well if no girls want to date me and that fact is certain, why bother trying? Its only going to bring me pain

What I'm really asking is how to make girls interested in me? How do I make girls notice me as a potential partner? Because right now I'm getting no interest from anybody at all

Okay, so should I just start openly and directly flirting with girls?

I tried to do the subtle shit in the past like complimenting, light touching, smiling, but it didn't work, I still didn't get any concrete signs back from them. So do I need to be super direct or something?

>light touching
That's rape.

How tall are you?

5'11 (it's pretty average in my country)

Incels please stop brigading my thread, I'm asking only normies for advice

Yes. You have to prove that you're not a boring pussy.

>Normies
>Advice
>Jow Forums
You've come to the wrong place my friend, try Yahoo Answers.

>that fact is certain
Unless they actually said it, it's not.

If you just want interest from girls, carry yourself confidently and stop giving a fuck about wanting interest from them.
If you want to be seen as relationshit material, you'd have to present your personality, which doesn't work unless you're seriously talking to them, and again is going to be pretty hard with your mind being so much on a relationship.

Obviously easier said than done but you'd have to get off this "I want a date" shit and live your life for yourself.

You sound upset. Are you, by any means, a virgin?

How do I do that? Like in specific ways. What is one specific thing I could do next time I'm out with friends that would make girls look at me in a different light?

Jow Forums actually has a high concentration of what one might call "normal people". In any case please return to Jow Forums and stop defecating on my thread, I do not give you permission to be here

You need to work on your confidence mainly. The way you're talking about yourself in this thread
>it's hard to be forward because no girl ever shows interest in me :(
Girls can pick up on that insecurity from a mile away. Your self esteem shouldn't be rooted in a woman's response towards you. You need to believe in your own self worth without looking for the approval of others.

I think I've figured out why girls don't like you.

>Unless they actually said it, it's not.

So is it possible that there are some girls who are open to dating me but just aren't visibly showing it in their interactions with me?

And if so, how do I tell which girls are interested and which aren't if they won't show it?

>What is one specific thing I could do next time I'm out with friends that would make girls look at me in a different light?

Tell a funny story about a time you were masturbating without any hint of self doubt.

hi. this happens because this cross the boundaries and give no fucks. we'll get over it if we don't like it. for clarity's sake i'm referring to the sorts of boundaries that make your pulse quicken a bit because of anticipation or nerves or whatever to see how she reacts to it, not blatant shit you already know will get a very bad reaction or is fucked up like . that user is a retard. you need to push boundaries and take the initiative about showing interest to see if she's receptive and/or reciprocates

>You need to believe in your own self worth without looking for the approval of others.

Okay, I want you to imagine for a second what it would be like to actually receive zero romantic or sexual interest from girls. Imagine if girls treated you in a friendly manner, were generally kind to you, or at least if they weren't kind they were never mean spirited or rude to you. But they never, ever flirt with you, never glance it you in a longing manner, never touch you unless its absolutely necessary, and you never ever hear of a rumor of a girl you know having a crush on you. That's basically my life.

You have to understand, I've lived this experience forever, and basically my brain now believes it is impossible for a woman to be attracted to me. Because that's what my brain has been taught by the cold facts of reality. I know it isn't logical necessarily, but its very hard to break out of this mentality without a girl showing interest in me first

If neither is showing an overly negative reaction, everything is open. If they smile a lot around you, even if you tell dumb jokes, they are probably into you. There are generally too many things to watch for and with some experience, you'll be able to tell right away. Fearing failure so bad, you don't even act is pretty unattractive.

Okay, sounds scary but logical and I might be able to do it if I try very hard.

Can you give some examples of boundary crossing shit that I could do then? Cause I dont really know what you're talking about specifically

>You have to understand, I've lived this experience forever, and basically my brain now believes it is impossible for a woman to be attracted to me.
You're the one who needs to understand that your previous negative experience in this regard are irrelevant. Even if all you got so far was pure disdain, focusing on that isn't getting you anywhere.
>its very hard to break out of this mentality without a girl showing interest in me first
Sure but it's not impossible and hanging on how hard it is isn't getting you anywhere.

Other than that, I am sure quite a few people experienced something similar either way.

>Improved my appearance
>Improved my physique
>Wear nice clothes
>Take care of myself, get nice haircuts
>Sociable and gregarious
>Partake in several social hobbies

Did you consider being a better person at any point in all of this?
God. Look at yourself. You live in a world where weakness and moral depravity are hoisted up as some demented sort of virtue, where women rip the babies out of their wombs and fat, bald, swindling retards with humanities degrees are considered pique masculinity, and you're whinging for its acceptance.
>OH WEEEH! SHE DIDN'T LIKE MY NEW SWEATERVEST!
Fucking CHRIST. I've seen a fat fuck with glasses, a pubic beard, and the worst case of periodontal disease to ever pollute the air surrounding a 3 block radius of the bastard, and even HE managed to smash a solid 4. It's because while he may be ugly, and he may be a jackass, and he may smell like a long-dead animal, he isn't fucking pathetic.

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You guys are all giving OP shit advice.

Listen , i was exactly like you. Assuming your face isn't complete shit, the ONLY way to break the cycle is to become super ripped, well dressed and eventually ONE girl will actively hit on you. Don't fuck it up, this will be your first gf. She will get bored with you and abuse you in the relationship but you deserve it for being a beta faggot. Repeat this 2-3 times and now you are normie- level with women. Yes, you read that right, you have to go through all of this just to be in the state most people are naturally. You are emotionally retarded. It's all your fault for spending your youth on videogames.

Now go out there and conquer.

Okay, thanks.

Can you give me one specific thing I could do, this week, or even tomorrow, that would help me break out of this mindset and progress towards getting a date with a girl?

>Wrote this whole entire post without giving any advice

That isn't very nice, user.

Shit, man, it's a long term process. You could try playing out the worst case scenario to realize how little whatever you do will matter unless it's something cray like grabbing her tits.

Sounds like you're very attached to your victim identity.

Hang on to that or ditch it and try to improve. It's completely your choice.

Faggot did you read what i typed???

This is the only thing that will help you. And be honest with yourself, how attractive are you really? I guess your face is shit. How is your body? You better be 9-10% bodyfat with good muscle mass, a six pack hides autism like nothing else. How are your clothes? Don't be a brand buying faggot, it never works. Do they fit properly? How's your job? Are you in retail or burger flipping? Your car? Is it presentable? Your house? Or do you live with your parents?

Im 100% you half assed your self improvement. Nice haircuts? Really? You don't even have to do anything for that, just get a hairdresser that doesn't have alzheimers. Apply yourself.

Fuck wrong post. This is what will help you:The post i mistakenly quoted is simply bullshit, ignore.

What are some concrete and tangible things I can do, this very week, to improve and start working towards dating women?

I'm guessing one thing you'll say is "ask a woman on a date". But when/how/where do I do it? I never really end up in a scenario where I am alone one on one with a woman. Is it acceptable to ask a girl out in public, or over text?

I'm really not interested in anything you have to say since you sound like some stick-up-the-ass red piller trying to apply boomer logic to dating

Thank you, have a nice day.

The best advice I can give is being a nobler person, instead of one that takes the path of least resistance like everyone else. That doesn't have anything to do with acting like a fucking chick (no offense, ladies, but you're faggots and you know it).

Ok. You know that my advice is what will work but you refuse to apply it because it hurts your wittle feelings.

You haven't given us any tangible information on you. Only that you are a virgin. Give us honest info on yourself and we can give you proper advice on what kind of girls you should expect based on your current situation and what you can do to improve.

If you are ugly as shit approaching girls and asking them out will NOT work. Ever. You have been warned.

I don't really want to give out any personal info, sorry, dont feel comfortable with it on Jow Forums.

All you really need to know is that I'm a dateless virgin, yes, but also relatively sociable, sometimes awkward but at times can be very charismatic, college student, relatively skinny. And no, I'm not ugly. I dont think I'm hot by any means, maybe not even cute, but I'm not ugly. Some girls have described me as attractive before, but still, no one wants to date me.

I wouldn't ask any random people out in the public, unless you're super hot and she's super desperate, it's too unlikely to work.

Ask someone you know somewhat to grab a coffee or some shit, if you don't get the chance to see it alone, gotta do it over text.

I'm like OP except I'm not sociable. What could I do to get a better personality?

Yeah I wasnt intending at all to ask out a random person.

If I did ask a girl out it would be someone I already know. Thankfully as a college student living on campus I know a lot of girls. But I just feel weird asking. Wont they sit there and think "why is user asking me out, he's never flirted with me before, why would he do this?"

Also I have this weird fear that I might ask out a girl I know and then find out she has a boyfriend I never knew about, and then I'll feel double awkward because I should have known in advance that she was taken

That's more like it. So lets see:

>Virgin
Yes we knew that already
>Relatively social
Yeah, you don't sit staring at the wall alone, that's something. Now your friends: Are they shit? Are there girls in your social circle? Are your friend presentable or virgin faggots as well? Do you get invited to parties and other social events? If you answered no to the above, it's time to get better friends. Friends are IMPERATIVE to getting a gf.

>College student
Ah, i knew it. You are YOUNG. This means you have ample time to be ripped. Focus on working out and studying. It's ok if you don't get laid in college. Make connections and get a good job. If you are fit with a good job and good clothes you automatically get a gf.

>Girls described me as attractive
Try to get this through your head ASAP: Never, ever, listen to what women say. Women will love you more for it. Second, women in your life are for 2 reasons only: either for you to fuck them, or have them around so they attract other women you can fuck. You can never be 'friends' with women in the sense of a male friend, and why would you want to be? Women suck.

I am trying to help you in the way nobody helped me, bro. Listen to me and you save at least 10 years of misery.

Oh and one last thing: NO FAT WOMEN. I know your friends will pressure you to fuck ugly/fat chicks to practice but never do it. I've fucked 3 women in my 30 years of life(and many prostitutes but that's another story) and they were all smoking hot and i had relationships with them.

Giving something about the personality wouldn't hurt. OP keeps revealing his indirectly which can work but is just such a pain to connect the bits together.

The super generic shit that'd would do everyone good is having passions. Even if it's some niche crap you truly enjoy will make you carry yourself completely different than someone who drifts through life trying to survive and find a partner.

Well, have a normal conversation with them first, if it goes well, say you have to run but would like to talk to her, and then invite her out. I am not big fan of planning shit out, though I guess at start it's not bad too have some kind of lose game plan.

>then I'll feel double awkward because I should have known in advance that she was taken
Only if she mentioned it before. Besides, so what? You asked out a girl and she happened to have a boyfriend, big fucking deal. Shrug it away, make a joke about it and it's over. Well, the awkwardness might hunt you for some days when thinking back but you can always use your brain and remind yourself that you tried (a big step up) and didn't really do anything wrong.

>Are they shit?
Uh, no.

>Are there girls in your social circle?
Yes, plenty.

>Are your friend presentable or virgin faggots as well?
Essentially all what Jow Forums would describe as "normies", although some may have darker senses of humor etc. I'm the only virgin in my social circle.

>Do you get invited to parties and other social events?
Yeah, very regularly.

Sorry I just find something very off putting about your post. You sound like one of those ex-incel dudes who thinks he "saw the light" at 25 via red pill and PUA sites. I really dont think we have much in common.

>Obviously easier said than done but you'd have to get off this "I want a date" shit and live your life for yourself.

Then why should OP pursue women if that's the case? You're telling him to keep going at random women but he isn't supposed to expect a date, which he wants. He may as well accept his loneliness.

There is a difference between being outgoing and taking chances and focusing everything on getting a date. Basically "I am open to having a girlfriend" not "I NEED A GF".

I dont feel like I need a GF to be honest.

BUT I do feel this incredible tension in my chest, and a fear in my belly, because I realise I'm over halfway through my college degree and I'm still a dateless virgin despite what everyone told me about how easy it would be to date and get laid in college. I'm scared that my time is running out. If I graduate as a dateless virgin then I'm terrified that that's it, it will be over, because girls in the "real world" will never accept my level of inexperience

PUA is horseshit and a scam. Im not even american so i wouldn't be able to apply it.

You are young and still unjaded and that's ok. Maybe life will treat you better. I was like you in your age. But nothing changed for me, until i became factually a man. My job, my place, my stuff.

And im glad to hear you have normie friends. You are on a good path. But FUCKING work out. The average man today looks like melted icecream. By being fit you are one step ahead of them already. Especially in your age where grils are horny as fuck.

But you do need a gf though. You need a gf to get a wife and have kids.

The biggest point of working out is the confidence boost it gives tbqh.

Don't be like that. You are entering the viscious circle of 'i need a gf' - 'girls aren't attracted to me because im desperate'.

Start working out and pick a hobby that isn't videogames and focus the shit out of it. Ignore women. Only then will women come.

Oh and fyi, most people lie on how many chicks they banged.

Did you read my thread at all? Like even the first post?

I don't even play video games except as a social activity (like at a friends house). I have real hobbies.

I've ignored women/been passive my whole life and that never worked.

>tease us
>poke fun at us
>flirt with us
>make a joke we might find offensive and get buttmad over
>express an opinion we might disagree with and get buttmad over
>put us on the spot
>make us squirm
>make us blush
>challenge us, then call our bluff and don't let us off easy
>or same as above but offer playfully devious bribe to be let off easy
be a bit of a jokester, be a bit of a trickster, see how much you can get away with, keep an air of innocence about you to keep shit relaxed and comfortable, openly delight in every 'win' to keep shit fun and piss us off a tiny bit. bully us basically. just keep shit relatively light and don't be mean spirited about it.

picrelated. painfully and hilariously accurate. can be used greatly to your advantage.

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Then there is nothing else you can do. Just study and wait till you get out of college. Your current social enviroment favours chads and future celebrities, aka cream of the crop. No competing with that. When you get out there in the real world if you are as good as you describe you will find someone.

That is a snapshot of my entire personality and I have never been anything but universally despised. Please stop spreading misinformation.

fatal flaw somewhere then. being too unsure of yourself, being reluctant to take the risk of creating sexual tension, and dripping reddit is it if you're op. if you're another user, dunno. my guess would be you're seeing that post in isolation from the rest of how op's described himself. but again i dunno. give me more to work with and see what we see.

for reference, this is bang on in terms of conveying what the complete snapshot might look like. example of 10/10 attractive.

>give a shit about my appearance, look like a criminal
>skinnyboi but not skinnyfat. no workout tho
>wear what looks like I've had since 8th grade and to a certain extent do
>sociable but can be antisocial at times, do not hide either
>have zero hobbies except gaming, Jow Forums and sleeping a lot
>5'8
>loads of girls both single and in relationships

Applying yourself is like half the trouble. Other than that it's either a yes or a no and then you move on. Just don't be creepy. Do not ever be creepy and you are already 95% covered, gl

See this is what I dont understand, you clearly dont put even half the amount of effort I do into appearance, hobbies or social life and yet I have no dates at all and you have endless girls hanging off your dick

Whats the secret? What am I missing here?

VERY, very unlikely.
A person who pulls of even half of the shit is not going to be despised.

Because he's honest about who he is and clearly comfortable enough about it. Just based on the description, I'd rather hang with him.

That doesn't really say anything, though.

Half of that list is being a smug shitposter IRL.

Im very honest about who I am. I love myself, im comfortable, I know who I am and what I want out of life

All I need is a girl who wants to share that with me

Which is enough. You don't need much to be popular and get laid; otherwise humanity would've died out long ago.

>You don't need much to be popular and get laid

OP here. What am I doing wrong then?

You might as well be but it just doesn't come of that way.

>All I need is a girl who wants to share that with me
That's not how it works.

So how much of a smug shitposter IRL are you?

There is no secret, I just don't think of girls as prospects for love/relationships and whathaveyou. I'm interested in them as a person and upfront with them, I don't immediately comment on their looks or have a certain "game" I play by. I'm not a feminist claiming I value them as human beings or some vapid shit like that. She can be beautiful but turn out to be a witch so I can't really put her on a pedestal before we know eachother some more. She might not even like me, and that is alright. You have a different chemistry with different people, but if you have a check-list and presumptions about that chemistry before it is clear to both of you, its already gone. That last part may not seem clear, but it's what I feel.
let's hang

you care too much

Well I am. I've genuinely entered a period of contentment in the past few months. I like myself, my personality and the way I look for the first time in my life. I look in the mirror and I like what I see, both metaphorically and literally speaking. So I really am confused about why I cant get any interest from girls, you see what I mean? Not to be arrogant, but I know for a fact that I'm good enough to attract at least some girls.

I like to stir the pot, I like to say what I think, I like to gently troll and tease people. Not in an abrasive way of course. All I'm really missing is the ability to actually flirt and create sexual tension with girls

I genuinely thought I was already doing all the things you just said. Still no interest from girls. Oh well. Guess I was just cursed or something.

About what?

Not every problem has a solution friend. Let go.

>but I know for a fact that I'm good enough to attract at least some girls.
Well, clearly not. You may have the basics checked like not being ugly or a total dickhead but at least based on your posts, I don't get the "guy I'd like to hang with vibes", something the other guy created with a few greentext lines. And apparently the women you encountered see it the same.

>All I'm really missing is the ability to actually flirt and create sexual tension with girls
The mechanic is basically the same as trolling and teasing.

>Oh well. Guess I was just cursed or something.
Defeatist shit like that is super unattractive.

I am not a classic profile of what the ladies want, but really you either

>discuss politics and religion or other inappropriate stuff off the bat
>are desperate and see girls as waifus instead of just having a chat - if she flirts you flirt but other than that keep it simple
>
>close too fast and undue
>think every girl should be into it while different girls are into different guys and most dont even know what they want kek dont say that ever

>discuss politics and religion or other inappropriate stuff off the bat
Not him but I usually touch on upon it VERY early and it never was an issue.
The rest is pretty bad for sure though.

>Defeatist shit like that is super unattractive.
if hes unattractive hes unattractive
its good to accept and move on

Im really not sure how you think you can get a perfect picture of my entire personality off of a slightly autistic thread I have made on Jow Forums. But okay.

>Defeatist shit like that is super unattractive

How am I supposed to not be defeatist when I have tried everything and still cant get a date?

I literally do none of those things

I never bring up politics or religion unless necessary, I find those topics really exhausting and depressing to talk about.

All I ever do is have chats with girls. I never flirt. So no, I'm not acting desperate in the way you suggest.

I dont ever "close".

Not sure what that last line you wrote is even supposed to mean. I know different girls are into different things. Surely at least a tiny portion of girls must be into me?

But user, I specified that I am going on impressions BASED on your posts and the vibes they give. For all I know I might hit off with you if we met IRL but that'd just be pure speculation without any base.

>How am I supposed to not be defeatist when I have tried everything and still cant get a date?
"Oh well, it didn't work so far, whatever."

Generally, yeah but almost everyone is attractive in a way, especially for the right person; some just manage to overshadow it with super unattractive shit.

>Generally, yeah but almost everyone is attractive in a way, especially for the right person; some just manage to overshadow it with super unattractive shit.
nice cope

Okay, thanks for admitting that at least.

>"Oh well, it didn't work so far, whatever."
Two decades of literally nothing working and never getting romantic attention from girls is a pretty long time. Its depressing and im scared im literally never going to even do so much as go on a date

Mate, personally I couldn't care less, but it's just a fact. Incels with almost no redeeming traits are a small minority. Hell and even then, while their personalities are totally rotten, some have attractive features when it comes to looks.

Weren't you in the middle of college? For it to be two decades, you'd have to start quite early or are old as fuck.

>Its depressing and im scared im literally never going to even do so much as go on a date
There are millions more important things to care about. And worrying about this shit only lowers your chances in a sick catch 22.

Im counting the two decades from when I was born, as in ive been alive for two decades with no romantic attention

>There are millions more important things to care about
No shit, doesn't mean its not still very very fucking important.

I dont think you realise how shit out of luck I will be if I graduate college a dateless virgin. If I cant get a date in college, where im surrounded by girls my age with practically endless free time, then how the fuck am I gonna get a date in the real world when im working a career and no longer have easy social access to new people and shit? Add on to that the fact that its only going to get even harder to get my first date, first kiss etc the older I get, because it will only get stranger and stranger that I have no experience.

The whole thing is so fucking horrible. I want out. I want off of this ride. I want to be a normal person who gets to go on dates and have a girlfriend now. Please.

>Im counting the two decades from when I was born, as in ive been alive for two decades with no romantic attention
Which makes no sense, unless you wanted your uncle to touch you. Dating starts around 14-16 AFAIK (ignoring some weird kiddy shit) so you're just starting out.
>doesn't mean its not still very very fucking important
It absolutely isn't. You could die and KHV and be fine. It's your choice to stress about it.
>how the fuck am I gonna get a date in the real world when im working a career
For one, a career won't totally limit your free time. Other than that, co-workers do tend to have friends and siblings. If you're somewhat social, you're going to get invited to meet them, and who knows. The older people get, the more desperation will force them to act.
>Add on to that the fact that its only going to get even harder to get my first date, first kiss etc the older I get, because it will only get stranger and stranger that I have no experience.
Sure, but it's not like stressing on about it will help.

Also yeah, it's obvious that "chill the fuck out" isn't easy to implement right away but by not doing it you are most likely hurting your chances.

hey Jow Forums
I met a girl today, I think she might like me. She lives close by. What do?

get her number
ask her on a date

It's saying something. It's just that I can't break it down into a higher resolution than that.

Be more manly, I guess, someone that strikes an image as a roving animal, rather than one of a simpering appeaser of common sensibilities. If you act like an old man from a wasp family, constantly worried about status and appearance, when you're just a bumfuck, you're not going to strike an attractive figure for anyone, and you're going to die miserable. You should have an actual reason to live.

>C
normalfag scum

See I'm tired to write all that again.

Should make something on image macro.

It's your face bro.