It's bumming me out to think that, by any measure, women simply aren't as sexual as men. That men and women partake of sex with different motivations, and that any pleasure either of them gets from it is asymmetric at best. It's something one party will always hold over the other party in some respect.
Anyone else have thoughts on this?
What do you think their motivations are?
But user, it IS possible for both parties to get the same amount of pleasure
For men, the motivation is the sex itself. For women, sex is an instrument for serving other motivations, or other emotions, and the act itself isn't really that special for them.
That's what it seems like, anyway. I've read about women mid-coitus thinking about stuff like "Is that a paint chip on the ceiling?". From my perspective, being that disconnected from it is almost inhuman.
Bull, all women are different. My gf prefers it twice a day, and enjoys the deed way more than I do.
You just need to find someone who clicks with you sexually
Statistically, sex is simply more pleasurable for men. Barring ED men cum from sex almost 100% of the time. For women it's 18% without any clitoral stimulation. If women's bodies weren't ticking time bombs for babbies I doubt the majority of them would have sex.
Every single one of your assumptions is false.
I have thoughts on it, but they boil down to "I agree, it's very sad"
I really got nothing for you man, I wish the world weren't the way it is.
>almost inhuman.
Realizing that women are for all intents and purposes not complete humans was one of the most depressing moments I can recall.
Op, you misunderstand women and feminine sexuality gravely. Women don't orgasm as much as men because of two general factors : they need to be in the right mindset, confident in their body and not anxious, which rarely happens, and 2 let's face it men (and sometimes women) don't know how to pleasure the female body.
If you think that because women like to have their clit stimulated the most they are less sexual than men you know nothing.
I can assure you, women like sex as much as you, they daydream about it, consume porn/erotica (although in other forms) as much as you.
Btw, not pretending that women have the same views on sex as men, but in the end, we're different but equal.
Isn't this a copypasta?
The problem vexes me, is the reason.
Fair enough I suppose.
What part in particular vexes you so?
Statistically men are simply shit at sex, so no wonder.
>sex is simply more pleasurable for men.
Not always. See
Men are too egotistical to realize their dick barely does anything for women beyond ~emotions~
It's not at all more pleasurable, men climax easier and generally don't give much shit if women do, too.
To put a more bleak spin on it, it basically seems like a normative heterosexual relationship involves the woman, not necessarily all of the time but most of the time, letting the man use her as a living fleshlight. So apart from propogating the race, it all seems like kind of a waste.
It's not like women say what they want anyway. Obviously you're gonna have a bad time if you just expect him to read your mind.
So do women communicate more in homosexual relationships then? You'd think if both partners don't say what they want (and are not mind readers), they'd have an even worse time but somehow it works better for homos.
"Lie back and think of England," basically.
That's an awfully depressing way to see it.
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Oh. I have no help for you, I've kinda come to the same conclusion. It sucks cause I was told all this shit about "being married to your best friend" and whatnot but it turns out that doesn't happen.
They want similar things. They can (probably) get reasonably far just doing the things they want done to them to their partner.
Considering that homosexual men actually cum slightly less than heterosexual man, isn't the more reasonable theory?
Different user but I think that's also a lot to do with kinda taking your time and getting to know your partner. If I remember correctly, homosexual men change partners most frequently and homosexual women the least, so they'd get more 'practice' with one partner so to say?
I do think women exhibit some differences when it comes to sex, namely orgasming is more mental vs physical for women as compared to men
I would also like to contribute that I thought women enjoyed sex a lot less than men but it turned out I was just with a prude, because my current girlfriend is wild in bed and satisfies every single one of my sexual needs and more...I get nudes and record her and she swallows and its great. I also make her orgasm multiple times a session because we have very good sexual chemistry.
My "technique" hasnt really changed since my ex but my ex very rarely orgasmed with me. She also ended up leaving me so I just think her mind wasn't into it. Just my two cents, but that's how my experiences have shaped my views
Can someone explain why women even want relationships?
Well for lesbians it makes sense. As we discussed in this thread, in a lesbian couple everything is great, sex included. Idk about heterosexual women though. Lately I've been wondering if it's possible for a woman to be heterosexual without being indoctrinated into it by society.
Put a nicer spin on it, then. You seem to understand the basic elements of what I'm talking about.
Well relationships are more than just sex. They provide companionship, comfort, safety etc. A cynical person would say women trade sexual satisfaction for safety or status, things guys willingly provide in exchange for pussy.
The lesbian bed death is very real. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.
You don't even have to be that cynical about it; she might be magnanimous for her partner and his needs. But the asymmetry is still there.
>They provide companionship, comfort, safety etc
How are those things limited to a relationship?
They aren't necessarily but men (understandably) don't usually provide for random women if they aren't getting anything out of it, eg sex.
OK, but how are those things only men can provide?
They aren't, in general, but some women only want it from men. Perhaps they've just been conditioned that way by society
They honestly don't. Proof:
>they don't ask guys out, guys ask them out and eventually they get tired of saying no.
They aren't, but overwhelmingly they still get provided to women by men.
They don't, it's pretty much a mix of fear and dependency, like a genderwide Stockholm syndrome.
This is a really depressing thread.
If you're gonna make a claim like this you gotta state your sex and orientation.
This isn’t a problem with nympho women, although they’re a handful. Also, try taking some responsibility.
So the general message is that there's no point in relationships?
See it as a useful deal for both parties if you know what you're getting yourself into. If you're a man and expect a ton of financial support, you'll probably be disappointed, and if you're a woman and expect a ton of orgasms, same applies.
>there's no point in normative heterosexual relationships
ftfy
This feels like a gay psyop. Is this a gay psyop?
Reality is a gay psyop user
no u.
Only for girls, male homos aren't usually very satisfied in their relationships I've read
Basically, in general the less interaction with men you have in your life, the better
Well that's exceedingly difficult since I happen to be a man.
Everyone is different, no matter the gender. Some women and men are hypersexual, some women and men are very sexually docile. It all depends on how they were raised, any sort of traumatic events, or even mental disorders. Everyone's different, robots are just hell-bent on call all women whores because they feel cheated.
I wouldn't put it like that, and I'm a gay woman. I think there just needs to be more open, honest conversations about sex, especially between the genders and within relationships. That there's women in their twenties who never had an orgasm, or men who have no idea what the clitoris is, is just extremely sad.
Then what's your problem with relationships?
I would like to be more than just tolerated by my partner.
That's a big fat lie. When I have sex with my boyfriend it's all about the act itself and giving each other affection in a corporal way. It's never a means to an end to me, just another end. When I want something, I'd rather just negotiate it with my bf, not use sex as a currency.
>Is that a paint chip on the ceiling?
That just means the guy is bad at sex, which happens often. I'll do admit women are not as straightforward when it comes to sex as men.
They aren't, but for a given woman there are more men who would give them these things than women. Simply put: Men are easier.
But more fundamentally, the species survived this long via sexual reproduction. Since heterosexual humans are more likely to reproduce, you're more likely to get more heterosexual humans over time. We're simply biological inclined towards heterosexuality in the average case.
This just isn’t true though. Many women have a higher sex drive than other men.
Obviously some women will have motivations to have sex which aren’t related to sexual desire, but plenty of women just get horny and straight up desire physical release.
My sex drive is cyclical, when I’m ovulating or a week before ovulation I’m extremely horny. My desire for sex feels like an ache or a need, I feel a physical need to be filled.
Sometimes I look at my boyfriend and he just seems so sexy to me, I want to get on him and kiss him and have him inside me. His jawline or the way his body moves will make just *want* him very suddenly.
I’ve never felt an urge to have sex to receive something. Sometimes I do want connection and attention from my boyfriend, and wanting that will morph into wanting him to fuck me. This isn’t something that happens outside of my relationship though - I never want random attention and try to get it through signaling an interest in having sex with a guy.
I don’t know how sex feels for you, but being sexual with my bf feels amazing to me. It is more a mental experience than a physical one I’d say, but it’s physically very intense and pleasurable. The whole experience is overwhelming and I feel so good, like I’m high.
I’ve literally never had this experience. Maybe it’s because those women are with partners they’re uninterested in or having sex for a nefarious reason. When I’m just kissing my boyfriend I’m completely into him, we touch each other and have sex like we’re hungry for it and have been starving.
Nope. That's because homos have an insane amount of sex to the point where it becomes harder to be stimulated.
It's been almost 2 and a half weeks since my gf and I last fucked. Yesterday I finally asked about it and was told I don't do a good job of getting her going. Her sex drive exists, just not often enough for her to initiate more than like, twice a month. There's lots of love and cuddling, I'm just terrible at initiating.
How do I get her going? I'm jealous of the anons with sex as a part of their day-to-day. Also we're in our early 20's, living together.
I don't know, you could ask her what gets her engine running.
they are but only with Chad