Is there any way you can endorse anarchism and polyamory...

Is there any way you can endorse anarchism and polyamory, and believe that monogamy and hierarchies are more or less intrinsically bad, and still call yourself a Catholic in any meaningful sense?

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no

Yes. Democrats do it all the time. They don't have to be consistent because they have no principles. It can be fun but you won't go to Heaven.

"Meaningful" being the operative word here.

I have a friend who claims to have converted to Catholicism, but who doesn't seem to have modified her pre-"conversion" queer-anarchist-whatever beliefs. I'm not an expert on Catholicism, so I don't know for a fact that there couldn't be a version of Catholicism that didn't promote monogamy.

She cites Oscar Wilde and others as examples of queer anarchist Catholics, but – even if you accept the definition of Wilde as such – there seems to me to be a difference between having your identity forged in a Catholic milieu and later diverting from the main path, and actually seeking out a religious identification that seems to clash with your other beliefs. You might analogize it to being drafted into the army and refusing to fight vs. volunteering for the army and refusing to fight.

I think "She" is a more important word here than "meaningful". When was the last time you saw a woman have principles or resist the chance to signal her religious virtue to an applicable suitor?

People do this all the time. They’re the so-called “cafeteria christians” who pick and choose what moral rules to follow as if they were at a buffet. I wouldn’t really call your friend a true catholic if she believes monogamy to be bad. It’s so antithetical to the catholic understanding of marriage and sexuality.

these people piss me off so much. It's like taking a mustang, switching the engine, transmission, exhaust, and wheels with a prius and still calling it a mustang.

>hierarchies are more or less intrinsically bad
I think Christianity is alright-ish with this.

I would even say Christianity is the big part of why we consider all people equal. Jesus died for all of us and none of us can make it but through him. That's pretty equalizing.

>monogamy
I don't think you should call yourself Catholic if you are actively against monogamy, though. (I. e. you may not like it, but its the acts that count on this one.)

I kind of get how many of christian sexuality-related rules feel pretty arbitrary at our times, but it is kinda part of the package.

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While I always hated how prudish the Catholic Church can be, why the fuck do you want anyone to take your religion seriously if you want everyone to whore around? Not everyone wants that.

>she wants the social recognition from traditionalists/her parents/etc and the social recognition from her peers , the post

not to go all pol,OP, but just gas her at this point, shes too far gone

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Interestingly, the majority of biblical marriages are one man and multiple wives, or a king with concubines, etc.

It's a cultural thing that seeped into the religion, not the other way around. Jesus is cool with you marrying 73 women.

>Jesus is cool with you marrying 73 women
Nowhere did he say that. And just because the bible recorded polygamy, it doesn’t mean it was approved

Some of God's favorite servants engage in it, and Jesus never says NOT to. If it's a sin, it's forbidden. If it ISN'T forbidden, it's free game. OH, don't wear mixed fabric though. Unless you're like, "nah, that's old testament, that's all for context", in which case - gays are cool, multiple marriage is still cool, in fact we can basically throw out the 10 commandments altogether. Jesus was pretty clear he was the path to heaven, and he'd forgive ANYTHING.

Double-damning to your argument if you buy the whole "holy Trinity" - god is jesus- Jesus is the holy ghost - the holy ghost is God - argument, because then Jesus IS God and God was cool with it.

I’m not Christian anymore but goddamn are you uneducated about Christian beliefs.

A lot of the basis for Christian teaching about relationships comes from Jesus saying
>Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.
Christians take this to mean Jesus implicitly defining marriage as the union between ONE man and ONE woman. As for the old vs new testament stuff, Christians generally take what Jesus said as precedent over whatever happened before. Whether or not you need to do good deeds to get to heaven is a whole other argument also.

I’m not even going to touch your trinity argument because it is legitimately retarded and has nothing to do with marriage.

yes dont pay attention to the bureaucratic aspects of dogma - if u can provide a solid philosophical basis for your beliefs, even if it supersedes that of the church, you can still be a catholic. Catholicism doesn't mean conservatism it's not a fucking political club... as long as you're honest in the search for truth - as long as you're right, you can synthesize it with the faith however you think is best.

that’s nonsensical larping but it’s a free county

That opens the worms into the "don't divorce ever" territory. How many Christians hold to that?

Either way, I never took this to mean that as a definition of marriage, but an explanation of why it is viewed as sacred. Now I feel like cracking open my Bible to find out how many retarded definitions I can glean from one-off comments. Thanks user, now I can while away an afternoon or two finding silly demands and definitions out of every parable and phrase that hippie said.

>That opens the worms into the "don't divorce ever" territory. How many Christians hold to that?
This has nothing to do with polygamy but many Christian denominations allow divorce.
>>Either way, I never took this to mean that as a definition of marriage, but an explanation of why it is viewed as sacred
And yet most Christians have interpreted monogamy as such for the last two millennia. It doesn’t matter that you personally believe they are “silly demands and definitions,” it’s what Christians believe and it’s how they justify it.

Yes

Yes, by accepting that you're mentally ill and weak enough to have fallen for all kinds of dogma to the point that you are as far from being a free human being as one can possible be.

Why are hierarchies bad intrinsically bad?