Is suicide a valid answer to the strangeness of life?

If it’s so cowardly then you try it

The only reason you haven't killed yourself is because it's easy to stay alive. Prove me wrong

> Suicide takes 100x more courage than staying alive

It's true

When I think of all the male suicide lately

>You feel it too don't you?
>The body I've lost
>The comrades I've lost
>It won't stop hurting

>It's like it's all still there

Yeah. Society has refused to give most men a future worth sticking around for

Your assumption that I'm naive about suicidal ideology and that you're not is inaccurate.

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>Until you guys get an epiphany

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Mmm hmm. I'm guessing you've killed yourself so many times that you can rightfully give your professional opinion about which is cowardly; living or suicide.

Yes I do.

Kaz's wife was the girl with the bomb

WE'LL CARRRY ONNNNNNNNNNN
Nothing is an answer because it's not a question. Suicide is just one of the many results of what we call life, and that's the sad fucking fact. It's not even philosophical, it's just a bunch of biological spew we decided to "define."

Welcome aboard, me hearty. You best start believin' in existential purgatories, OP... You're in one.

>tfw the advent of philosophy basically gave humans the precedent to question something that happened by mathematical proxy

You are transparent and low IQ - good night

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Wow. The power of the high IQ showcases itself again

>Not a question
>To be or not to be

Asking if death better than life has been a question for millennia user. Its just a personal one.

Yeah, sure, whatever.

Yes, but so is anything else.

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>Life is strange.
>I guess i'll kill myself.
?

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>too smart to help suicidal to anons
I guess compassion /=/ IQ

Ask Hamlet.

>Thinking you only live once and can escape existence

Once you go back to the "pool" its only a matter of time before your back. I say stop being a pussy and embrace the strangeness, study it, get lost in it. Whats the worst that happens? you die?

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No, you fucking moron. You picked a guy who chose life, in the end. Goddamn you are such a fucking moron.

Season 3 Nigger > Season 1 Cracker

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Agreed. Cracker is great too but Nigger's character seems to be shaping up really amazing.

>Whats the worst that happens?
Pain. Lots and lots of pain.
Both physical and emotional.

If only there was SOME way to take all this pain, misery and suffering and turn it into something else.
This ofcourse is a thing that is limited only to individuals of holiness, superior genetic makeup or wealth.
Oh, wait.

Please give details, I'm not sure I'm following.

Seeking death is irraational. Doesn't seem like much of an answer.

Who or what dictates whether something is rational or irrational?

Sorry for the ironic shitpist friend.
My point was, yes there is a lot of pain and suffering and bad things in life.
But that doesn't mean you cannot use these things perceived as negative and turn them around into something real and positive.
The second part of my post was trying to convey that this is not a feat that can only be performed by some special individuals but that this capacity is present in all humans to some extent.

The answer to extreme suffering can be something else than death is the point.
So when people say 'suicide isn't the answer' they're sometimes wrong, because sometimes it IS the answer.
The problem is defeatist attitudes that make suicide seem like some noble or good choice, while the reality is that only in very specific and outlying cases it is a 'good, rational dicision'
As for your question who decides what is rational, is besides the point really.

So, In what cases Is suicide the answer?

Are you talking about perspective?

People suffer because of life, and any "answer to extreme suffering" (that isn't death) usually involves getting out there more, therefore leading to further suffering.

Personally I'd say never, but I know this is a biased view because I've been close to it. (Multiple close family members, some more distant friends).
The fact is, people commit suicide.
And in those specific cases I guess it is the only answer they can see, but if you'd ask other people they'll tell you it wasn't.
Don't be mistaken user, I'm no naive person when it comes to this topic. I know very well all the rationalizations people have for suicide and the social stigma around it.
Still, I think in most, if not all cases, life is preferable.
I don't think I could lay out an example in which suicide would be a 'correct' answer, because I believe it to be against the animal instinct to live.
It is just a very harsh reality people have to deal with.
Yes I was. Is there something incorrect about it?

>People suffer because of life, and any "answer to extreme suffering" (that isn't death) usually involves getting out there more, therefore leading to further suffering.
I don't agree with this.
Life is not the only people reason suffer, and certainly not THE reason why they do. It is just a prerequisite. There are a lot of people who live life and do not suffer daily or excessively.
Also, your solution to extreme suffering being 'getting out there' isn't (always) a very good solution and I doubt anyone seriously trying to 'fix' the 'issue' of suffering wouldn't give you this advice.

I wasn't exactly saying that it's incorrect.
It's just that, personally, I seem to have no control over mine, so I find it infuriating to think that something so important is beyond my reach.
I mean, a few times I've had a "more positive" perspective, but it's been almost always eventually crushed by my powerful negative inner voice. I tried "talking back" to that voice, but all it results in is deep physical discomfort and the feeling of being lying to myself.

>I wasn't exactly saying that it's incorrect.
It's just that, personally, I seem to have no control over mine, so I find it infuriating to think that something so important is beyond my reach.
You do have control over it, maybe not much, maybe only a very tiny little bit, but the fact you can aknowledge that you were (at one point) capable of doing it means you KNOW you can.
Please don't think I'm being naively optimistic here too, I really do believe you can.
>I mean, a few times I've had a "more positive" perspective, but it's been almost always eventually crushed by my powerful negative inner voice. I tried "talking back" to that voice, but all it results in is deep physical discomfort and the feeling of being lying to myself.
Because in a way you are lying, or at least you're playing devils advocate.
What you have to get right is the fact that the thing, voice, persona, that's inside of you IS NOT YOU, just one of the different motivations, drives, or beliefs pushing itsself from your inconsious to your conciousness.
This is hard to beat with just a 'more positive outlook', because the things it sometimes brings to light are very real, scary, harsh and sometimes downright evil.
You should try and take what the voice says and calmly analyze it if you think it's benificial, otherwise let it go.
Just observe it. Listen to it, don't shout at it or condenm it or ignore it.
The fact is is that this terrible voice of satan (ill just call it this because we really don't know wtf this shit is) IS NOT YOU.
You can use it to do good, even.

>you were (at one point) capable of doing it
It's not like it was intentional or anything. It just sort of... happened.

The "voice of Satan" usually tells me that there is no point in trying to be anything else than what I am right now, and that any attempt to do so will result in suffering, and - even though some other aspects of my life might end up improving - that suffering will never go away, and I'll never get used to it.

You're a living creature. Survival should be your priority.

Your patronizing bullshit answer just proves you don't have the brain capacity to actually examine your beliefs.
Fuck off.

>society has refused

You're probably one of these people who believes in the ideal of a powerful, self-possessed masculinity being the birthright of men -- yet you expect society to provide this for you? You have been thrown into the world and given infinite opportunity in your agency. If you have an ideal for what YOUR life should be, live it out.

I'm saying there isn't a collective future these men want to work towards. They have full agency to create a future for themselves, like buying a house or getting a high paying job, but these are individual and require the man to want them just by virtue of wanting that material success. Spiritually, some men aren't going to be fulfilled by this material and reward. They can't create a society by themselves that can give that to them. They can try, sure, but it requires others to help.

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