Incel gang here (represent) and I got a question for the bitches here:

It's not as much due to the fact that you're an incel as much as it is you're just undesirable. What's stopping you from introspection, determining what makes you undesirable, and changing that if you care so much and want to fuck so bad? Why is it womens fault that you cant improve yourself?

You are a virgin by choice. Every adult is.

We are talking about the adult world, not high school. You can't even give one example?

>What's stopping you from introspection, determining what makes you undesirable, and changing that if you care so much and want to fuck so bad?

I know exactly what's making me an incel, and unfortunately there isn't anything I can do to stop it because it's not anything to do with my looks or lifestyle, it's something deep and intrinsic in my psyche.

Nope. I would have lost my virginity at 16 if I had the choice to.

The only way I would know a guy is a virgin is if he tells me or if he wears a virgin T Shirt and I would laugh if he wore a virgin T Shirt. I would wonder why he told me he was a virgin though. Just why because you cannot tell by looking.

Now, the easiest way for me to get sex is if a guy tells me he's a virgin and I smile real big and tease him a little and dare him to change his status. Works every time.

we were? since when?

We're fucking user here, stop speaking in cryptucs. Or are you so intelligent that our puny normie brains cant comprehend the deep and based struggles of your inner psyche?

Fuck off. You'll spend 2 or 3 years worrying about having sex in high school, if you're a virgin for the rest of your life youre talking about decades. The majority of your experiences with women in life are going to be outside of school. Nd in either case, teenagers across the board suck ass. Theyre native, unsympathetic and viscous losers who treat individuals like countries treat each other politically. Using school bullying as a reason to perpetuate and promote incel mandates is retarded.

We're still waiting for specific examples, no just ambiguous hypothetical situations. Who are these specific women who both complain about being treated as sex objects but also make fun of men who are virgins?

>stop speaking in cryptics

I have a crippling fear of rejection and can't ask out girls because I have no clue what I'm doing. Even if a girl said yes I'd still shit myself because she'd expect me to know how to kiss, how to have sex, how to behave on a date, and I don't know how to do any of those things. That's why I'm an incel.

Well there we go. You're afraid. And instead of confronting your fear and dealing with it, you opt to instead blame all women for inducing it even though they had nothing personally to do with it. How do you not see how debilitating this thought process is?

Do you think anyone is born knowing what to do until that shit happens? I remember the first time I did all those things. Telling someone I liked them, holding hands, kissing them, asking them to be my partner. Everyone's afraid the first time and no one knows what's going to happen. You do it anyway despite being afraid. That's the only way. Because you're only chance of any success with relationships is to give it a go, otherwise you resign yourselves to certainty of never experiencing it.

By saying youre an involuntarily celibate, I assume youd honestly like a relationship or sex? If that's the case then you need to abandon this idea that trying isnt worth it, because that's literally the only way either of those things will come about. By succumbing to this irrational fear of the unknown, you are choosing your celibacy. Choose instead to be brave, which is to do things despite being afraid of potential outcomes.

>you opt to instead blame all women for inducing it

Woah there buddy. Where exactly did I blame women? I don't blame any women at all. I'm "involuntarily celibate" yes but I'm not "an incel" in the cringe Jow Forums and reddit sense.

>Do you think anyone is born knowing what to do until that shit happens? I remember the first time I did all those things. Telling someone I liked them, holding hands, kissing them, asking them to be my partner.

Yes, but I'm a grown man now. I'm going to struggle to find any girl who can tolerate the fact that I am too terrified to make a move. Girls have tried things with me before and they always get sick of me and walk away because I can't bring myself to kiss them. I'm too scared that I'm gonna do it wrong and humiliate myself.

>You do it anyway despite being afraid

The fear is too powerful. It's like staring down satan himself.

>Choose instead to be brave

I wish I could. But I don't even know where to begin, my friend.

What is preventing you from losing your virginity now? Answer: nothing.

Because you have to be 18 to post here.

>I've never asked a girl out
So you're a volcel. Stop calling yourself an incel.

You can loose it right now, just hire escort

doesnt mean that it doesnt still happen.

My crippling fear of rejection that sends feelings of demonic dread through my body if I even do so much as thinking about sending a message to a girl I like.

I want to ask a girl out. But my fear stops me from doing so. Therefore, I am involuntarily celibate.

This mockery doesn't deserve a response.

I'll never understand how objectifying women who literally objectify their body (by wearing skin tight clothing, ultra revealing clothing, or simply no clothing at all) makes men evil. I cannot comprehend how consequences for actions can spawn an entire social dialog about the inherent evil of men. Baffling to me

Hey look, its I'm Scared guy!
(Hi I'm Scared guy)

>Woah there buddy. Where exactly did I blame women? I don't blame any women at all. I'm "involuntarily celibate" yes but I'm not "an incel" in the cringe Jow Forums and reddit sense.
You named yourself as one of them, what do you fucking expect people are gonna think.

> Girls have tried things with me before and they always get sick of me and walk away because I can't bring myself to kiss them. I'm too scared that I'm gonna do it wrong and humiliate myself.
Instead you humiliate yourself by looking like an idiot who cant act on his feelings. Much better outcome, good choice there.

>The fear is too powerful. It's like staring down satan himself.
No it's not. You've led a sheltered life if making a move is the scariest thing you've ever done. Billions of people have been doing what you're afraid of for over 200, 000 years. Do you really believe a good outcome is so impossible.

If you really want to be brave, you just do what you're afraid of. That's it. When you freeze up and stop, that's your sign to just do the thing. Just fucking do it. Go for it. Hold her hand, take the kiss. Be vulnerable. You hveto open up and accept that possible rejection. Because while you've wasted your life being afraid of it, it's happened. Youre getting rejected more and more because of choosing to be afraid of it and not acting. You're perpetuating the cycle, you re the reason it happens.

Well would you rather women not ever wear that shit? It looks good.

Yeah but wont women find the very idea of a 28 year old virgin repulsive?

>Just fucking do it. Go for it. Hold her hand, take the kiss. Be vulnerable. You hveto open up and accept that possible rejection

Unfortunately these opportunities just don't come to me as much anymore. When I was younger i had dozens of stories of girls who came on to me and then lost interest because I couldn't make any moves on them out of fear. Now I'm an adult, it seems girls are even more subtle than they were before. At most I get girls just smiling at me or complimenting my shirt in a club. And that's not enough for me. I need a girl to make a move on me first.

I just don't know any girls to make a move on anymore. It feels inappropriate to just ask a girl acquaintance out out of nowhere.

I'm just saying they are more than welcome to walk around naked, but don't get angry when I get horny around them. I don't fucking care about what goes on, so long as I'm left alone. You want to be a whore? Go ahead. But if I call you a whore (not passing judgment, just being objective) and you get pissy, that'll make me much angrier than you simply being a whore.
Do you see?

Can someone list anything positive about women? I'm trying to weigh the options and if I'm to fundamentally change myself to become attractive, I'd like to know if the ends will justify the means. As of right now, I'm thinking I'll just leave the girls to the high test, low IQ males, which is the way it's supposed to be

You can't really measure people like that, user.

My girlfriend is my best friend. We've been together for over a year now and she amazes me every day. She's intelligent and clever and takes care of me. She cooks, bakes, plays vidya, and goes hiking with me.

She's encouraged me to be a better man and has given me a lot of skills i otherwise wouldn't have.

You can't generalize women as a whole. I use to be like you, but decided that the angst wasn't worth it. I'm thankful every day i gave it up to improve myself, because i wouldn't have the person with me that i do now

Get therapy for your anxiety.

>the exceptions dispel the majority
Women really are retarded.

Why would they?

>Yeah but wont women find the very idea of a 28 year old virgin repulsive?
Once again. Women are not all the same. They dont react the same way. Terrible women will sure. But they're terrible, so you wouldn't want to be with them anyway. Anyone worth being with wont care.

Therapy didn't help me. Still terrified of rejection after years of it.

Ok. So, you can't. I'm thinking I'll stick with what I have (or don't) instead of trying to appease a society that never wanted me nor the girls who never wanted me. I'm convinced it is better to be alone at this point

Did the therapist reject your advances?

>they don’t make fun of them
>uses a INCEL as a pragorative
>calls the guy on twitter a virgin

Are u trollin?

Anyways don’t put any thought into because they don’t. There is not logical reason.

Funny joke user.

In reality, this isn't funny at all. I've been tortured by this for years and I'd give anything to be free of inceldom.

>every adult is
“Blaming the victim is wrong unless the Internet tells me that is not” - (you)

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>every adult

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Stop claiming all virgins are incels, dumb incel.

>girls complain about guys treating them as sex objects
>they make fun of men who are virgins
I don’t even see how those two are related besides the obvious sex component. Where’s the hypocrisy?

Plus you can always ask a girl to teach you how to have sex. They actually like it because it means they can get fucked the way they like on a regular basis.

>incels aren’t real

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Whats something else youre afraid of?

>theres someone for everyone aspie

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>its your fault

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Someone got REALLY triggered and buttmad.

Deep down all women know that they exist to get fucked and they make nearly all the choices

So in their minds the WORST thing she can tell a guy is “Haha! I won’t let you touch my PUSSY! Hehehehehehe! Bet you really want it! It’s tight and wet but YOU don’t get to feel it! Aaaaaaaaaand I bet other women won’t let you touch theirs either! Loser! Ahahahahaha!”

Nothing major really. I'm not socially anxious. I guess I'm kinda scared of heights, but that's not a crippling fear, it doesn't hinder me in life at all.

Fear of rejection from women is my only major fear.

>just try harder scizo

m.youtube.com/watch?v=IehtMYlOuIk

Would bungee jumping or something similar be something youre willing to do?

If I wasn’t range image-banned I’d start flooding this shit with refutations. There’s many dudes with crocodile jaws that still got laid regularly.

Yeah, absolutely. I'd love doing something like that.

But asking out a girl? Just can't do it. Fills me with terror. Makes me want to cry like a baby just thinking about it.

If you’re too scared of a useless girl saying “nah” then you’d make a shitty mate anyway

>No advice

Thanks user. Guess I'll just die then?

He's an incel. He will not understand facts.

>telling her your a Virgin
Why would you ever do this
Do back to discord hon.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=tEuCa01iKZg

Pretty much. Nobody can take you out of your fear zone but you.

I can never understand why these incels think it’s some important thing to tell girls they’re virgins. Just shut up and fuck. Telling a girl you met you’re a Virgin is like a girl telling a guy she met she’s a slut.

Then again if they had any social comprehension they wouldn’t be virgins.

>Hes not understand facts

Moron

Im married. I get sick of cunts invalidating this dudes life experience. Because incel became a buzzword among the mentally ill side of the feminist community. This dude isn’t Elliot roger, talking about raping bitches. He's a sad dude who needs kindness an support. Yet you low lifes berate hin an tell him his experience is wrong.

When i was in my early 20s i had the same fears, bro. Idk how old you are but i lose mine at 24. It took a lot of effort on developing my social skills. But by the time i was 26 i had been with 14 women and had my first gf. Now im 31 and married, its never to late. But you seriously have to get over your fear of failure and go out and fail. You’re not a woman you can just wait for someone to fall into your lap.

>perma bamned from posting images
>not knowing how to evaid bans

Its nice to know the mods think your a asshole too. Newfag.

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I know a dude uglier than all of them get tons of pussy. Dude had that nose the pol jew mascot has and a shovel face. Its not really how you look as a man, its how you present. Manly posture, confident facial expressions, and good fashion sense go fucking light years of a long way. Ive even researched this. Women will have their perception warpped by an ugly man who has his shit together by their subconscience to make them more attracted to him. Theres girls on youtube who date ugly dudes or have friends that do, and they talked about being ashamed of themselves at first for even being attracted to the guy, but then they started viewing him like they would a pug: Ugly but still really cute somehow. First step to get over before all this is you need to get over your need of validation from others though. The only opinion that matters is your own and if your opinion involves others in any way shape or form at all whatsoever then your opinion is wrong.

>Don't tell a girl you're a virgin
>Start fucking
>Do everything wrong
>Either cum too early or don't cum at all, or can't even get it up
>She thinks you're a fucking loser
>Walk away with only 1% more experience than you had before

Great idea retard.

When you're an adult virgin pretty much the only hope for you is to find an understanding girl who either dates you for long enough to teach you how to have sex naturally, or who literally just teaches you to have sex via a fuckbuddy situation (Yes some girls are willing to do this if they're very sexually open)

This

Okay, I will explain it in a way your pathetic replica of a brain should comprehend. Being treated as a sex object isn't the same as being in a loving relationship and having sex. Women love sex as long as you actually treat them like a person. That doesn't happen when we're objectified. You either don't know what the word means or can't separate sex from objectification.
And we make fun of male virgins because they're usually disgusting and frustrated about their virgin status. No contradiction here.

>And we make fun of male virgins because they're usually disgusting and frustrated about their virgin status

What about if I'm a normal and good looking guy who is clean and smells really nice, but I'm a virgin cause I'm terrified of rejection? Would you make fun of me?

No its not. He doesn’t need to wait around any longer. I mean what you’re saying is so retarded im not even sure that you have even had sex
>knowing 1% more
Sex isn’t a video game, you don’t earn xp you black pill. I went from nothing, to one to one every three months, to one every month, to 2 at the same time. Basically in one year of losing it at 24 i was getting laid once a month. Because i put effort into picking up girls.

I'm a virgin yes. But it's painfully fucking obvious that if you have zero sexual experience and go in to have a sexual experience pretending that you're a non-virgin, you're gonna get utterly humiliated and painfully embarrassed.

Maybe there's some small percentage of psychic fuckers who instantly know what to do in sex despite being a virgin. But for the vast majority of adult virgin men that's not gonna be the case

Dude all that shit can happen even if you have sex a thousand times

Yes but in a constructive criticism kind of way. Just trying to neg you into asking girls out so we'll leave you alone

Yes, of course.

Why?

Making fun of me is only gonna make me more insecure and less likely to overcome my fear of rejection.

I mean you'd have to be pretty stupid or inattentive to have sex regularly and still fuck it up years later.

>guy with no sexual experience is calling someone who has had sex with multiple partners for years stupid for explaining what happens

Ok dude well it's obvious you dont need our advice since you know so much already

Not a virgin but just don't care about sex very much. Prefer a good beer or joint desu

And why is rejection bad exactly?

Dude. If you have sex regularly you're fucking obviously gonna be somewhat competent at it, even if you're still bad, even if you're awful.

There's a big difference between "guy who is bad at sex" and "guy who is a zero experience virgin with absolutely no clue what he is doing".

I honestly just prefer escorts. Theyre better in bed anyway

Pain, humiliation. Incomparable dread. Social embarrassment. Earth-shattering awkwardness. The insult of it. Being told you're not good enough. Worrying that you might be alone forever because of it.

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Go to a prostitute. She won't reject you.

So you base your self worth off others then?

You dont need to know anything. It's all fucking instinctual. You will have a mass of urges, just fucking follow them.

You're fucking unreal man. You spent the entire thread making excuses on why you're too fuking scared to ever have sex, and yet somehow you're still upset it's never happened and criticize others for sharing their experiences with you and trying to give you so e perspective. It's no hard to see why you're still a virgin, I dont think it's just because you're afraid. If you're anything in real life like the kind of person you've presented yourself as in this thread, you have an offputting personality that radiates and projects your insecurities. Good luck on your quest to get laid, God knows you'll need it since it's highly unlikely itll happen of your own merit.

Why are you acting as if you're stupid enough to believe paying for emotionless sex is the same thing as sex between two people who genuinely desire each other?

Also, I'm more concerned with my inability to get a date than I am with my inability to have sex. I know I'm attractive enough that if I swallowed my fears and just walked up to a girl eyeing me up in a club, I could sleep with her. Dating is more complicated.

Not really. I just have a very particular obsession with my inceldom and rejection from women would confirm all my worst fears.

This unironically could chage him subconciencly if he did the gf experience. Trust us most hookers aren't as bad as you think. Theyve just gotten the same treatment as other potential dangerous stuff like guns, sports cars and pit pulls by puritan douchebags.

Yes you base your self worth off others otherwise you wouldnt have said all that stupid shit.

probably because men who are virgins as adults are socially awkward... and also not fit to be mates.

either nut up and get some or stop crying about how nobody respects you for never taking any chances with your life.

You are officially retarded. A prostitute would be your cure to get over fear of girls. Your sex therapist if you will. But you don't want to get better.

This, you agree?

Literally how is a prostitute going to help me when my main problem is being a pussy who is scared of rejection?

At best it'd make me feel more confident about what to do if a girl said yes. But before I can even get to that point, I need to make the first move and ask a girl out. And no amount of sessions with high class "gf experience" prostitutes is gonna help me overcome that crippling fear of rejection.

Plus when he gets his dick wet he'll realize pussy isnt this God's gift to this earth end all be all thing dudes make it out to be and will finally calm the fuck down.

Because you base your self worth on what others think of you

It's nothing to do with pussy. It's do with my failures with women in general.

I want to date, I want to experience relationships and intimacy. It's not about being a virgin. I had offers from girls to fuck me when I was in high school and turned them down. I could have accepted one of them and technically wouldn't be a virgin anymore, but I'd still be the same guy right now most probably.

And if get rejected you just go fuck the hooker. They usually become friends with benefits after going to them enough

So you just want a friend then?