Men who crave virgins

You want permission to be a slut? You go girl you work those cocks, you drain those balls that's your purpose in life to be a fucktoy from 20 to 30 you are a strong independent woman and the more cum you swallow the better

Anything more than 0 and you are damaged goods. Who would want you now? A loser that you don't want. Was it worth it?

If the man was arrested then yes. If not it bcomes loosely loosely based on how much you want to believe that you arent being played. Im not saying girls falsely accused rape but some girls put themselves in situations and do nothing to avoid it. Like i mean no resistance at all knew a girl who was apparently raped everyday for all of the ninth grade when she walked home. Sho could have walked another way home but whatever.

Women crave rape at the molecular level

My boyfriend is literally my dream man, I couldn't want anything better. Like, legit, I found something on my journal from when I was 14 and I described basically him.
We're best friends, very happy, couldn't want anything else.

And yeah, totally worth it. Had a good relationship, didn't work, learnt a lot, grew up a ton. I'm glad I'm where I am now and I'm the person I am, because my boyfriend loves that. Not saying he'd be a little happier if I was the person I am but also virgin and never met a guy in person, but it wouldn't be the case.

No. No hymen no diamond

>return to traditional values
It's laughable how virgin hunters actually believe this meme. 50, 100, 200 years people were fucking left and right and engaging in all kinds of degeneracy that would horrify them. That's what you get when you base your knowledge of history on memes from Jow Forums virgins.

>She could have walked another way home but whatever
Kek

I don't think the norm is 2-3 guys when you're saying guys on average fuck 5 on average. Especially given guys don't tend to fuck older women.

Given how I've been with 13 women by 22, I reckon women are somewhere similar.

Anyhow, I'd gf a girl with 1 or 2 prior partners. But I'd do it assuming it wouldn't last. Not that that's a terrible thif, its just realistic.

If they had as many as I do I wouldn't even bother being committed bevause I'd assume she wasn't either.

I read an interesting article about how 40% of first pregnancies started outside of the wedlock in Victorian Era, in the UK.
And these were only the women who got pregnant.

>Also, have some humility. Actions have consequences. Its wild how women can't handle the fact that their promiscuity isn't attractive to men.

But what about ethnic and ugly girls with no boobs and a fat belly in an area with little to no guys? If they had waited for sone guy to approach them, then they would basically be doomed to die forever alone or pick someone who is both mean AND unattractive. Humility is good for self-reflection, but inaction can be just as disastrous.

I'm religious, a virgin and I wouldn't marry a woman who didn't share my own values. I have a feeling that will never happen in which case Monasticism would be for the best.
>inb4 cope
I've had opportunities for sex, I didn't take them because I want to stand by my principles.

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There are girls who are sluts and sleep with a lot of men, it's not really the vast majority of girls at least in my circles. I've known maybe 2 girls who do it. They had a lot of men, one slept with maybe 50 guys. Most girls had mostly long term relationships and maybe a ONS/FwB here and there, but not even most of them.

It's a little bit hypocritical that you've slept with 13 girls, and you're concerned about the fact that your possible girlfriend having had 1 boy before you might cause her to ruin your relationship.
You clearly would be the one who is more fucked in the head and incapable to commit.
And unless you want to wait till marriage, you're an hypocrite really.

I think you may be on to something with that i have noticed how they arent all that shooken up if the guy is chad like.

how old are you?

Nothing that a quick shotgu... er... crossbow wedding won't fix.

>Men are the same as women
Why do front holes say this when they know it's not true

21

Because there are no logical reasons why if you value virginity or non-promiscuity in a woman, you shouldn't live by the same values.

>knew a girl who was apparently raped everyday for all of the ninth grade when she walked home. Sho could have walked another way home but whatever.
context?
topkek btw
>If the man was arrested then yes.
she could have falsely accused a man, both these girls were little kids that said were diddled by their uncles. Seems like all the hot girls were cuter lolis and uncle jose couldn't help himself since their AoC is much lower and they couldn't go for them without being paranoid about being sent back. My ex was molested by her dad too, feel bad for the hot latinas

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>if you like fucking in the ass you should enjoy being fucked in the ass yourself

He's a hypocritical retard he won't listen to simple logic

I don't think she'd ruin it. I just think she'd be more likely to decide her best option was elsewhere. Afterall, she came to that conclusion with her first after a serious relationship.

As for me being more fucked in the head? Maybe, but I don't get indignant when girls say that I must be a player and then don't want to do anything serious.

But I also wanna add, I never had girls wanting me inside them in every room I went into. I never had girls I could text, for the first time ever, and say "lets fuck," and then end up fucking 45 minutes later.

Almost every girl I slept with was a girl that I charmed and convinced to be into me. Only one of them was a club girl who grabbed me and said "let's fuck."

Tl;dr if a girl wanted to, she could fuck as many guys as me in a week.

It took me 8 years to sleep with this many women.

It matters in that if it's a girl you're really interested in, you will feel anger or some other type of emotion towards her.

For me personally, I lost my virginity to the girl I'm with now. She wasn't a virgin and has been with 4 guys before me. I can't say that it doesn't bother the fuck out of me - I hate that there's a chance she was calling their name in bed before mine, or that she once liked them more than she currently likes me. Its a shitty feeling that makes you want to break off the relationship to be honest.

Sometimes I wish I'd have stayed a virgin until I found someone who didn't have such a past, but i know that's pretty much impossible now

That's not the same argument. We're talking about values, not about things you enjoy doing.
For example, if the reason why you don't want to get fucked in the ass is that you think it is immoral to get fucked in the ass, you shouldn't try to convince girls to get fucked in the ass.

Give me a logical argument for "men can be promiscuous, women can't".

>>what is false equivalence

>I just think she'd be more likely to decide her best option was elsewhere.
I don't think that's the case. I think most people need a few relationships to understand how relationships work and what they seek out of one.
Probably a girl who is very inexperienced and has no understanding of how relationship should work is more likely to dump you, if anything. Most first relationships end.

>It took me 8 years to sleep with this many women.
And do you think it is some sort of merit? It just shows you lack any desire for real intimacy or commitment.

>why can't men give birth, it so unfair
men aren't women. not sure if you knew that.

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No.

Lol what

no...

Okay here is the context...
Okay the chick was telling me how i was the only one other than her mother who knew. Apparently it was a group of older guys who knew her cause she had a fight with one of the guys younger cousin first they baet her thrn the touched her each day getting worse. She also was apparently touch by some guys i knew granted they were crummy and not my friends i still couldn't imagine this girl who is so highly opinionated every keeping quiet about this the group of guys. apparently she didnt tell her mom till years later and the guys i knew were kick from school so i dont think she told anyone. I mean the girl will be rude if you get her order wrong but if ya rape her you get away with it. I got drunk and she put moves on me then i grinded her. She told my friends how she regeted it and was drunk and how cause i had just been at the party for 30 minutes i was sober. She implied some shit but didnt out right say anythianything. This girl had texed me to the weeks leading up to it saying how much she loved me and dirty talk. Now shot is weird between me and my boys two years later cause she is dating my very good friend. So yeah i take her claims with a grain of salt. Girls put themselves in positions where rape could happen. Btw she mad a move on me first for the record. That is the context user.

One of my good friends found a 9/10 gf as his first and broke up for the exact reason you described.

Had to admire his self respect even if I know he'll regret the choice some days.

They were not kick from school typo the giys finished.

The chart doesn't have anything to do with the argument we are having.
Men can't *physically* give birth - it's not a matter of morals, it's a matter of biology.

You're still failing to give me a logical argument.
Why female promiscuity is bad but male promiscuity is good?

it's supply and demand. male virgins are common, female virgins are rare.

>It's really that simple.
While that is true, it's not that simple. It's a very deep, instinctual urge we feel. It's deep in our heads, on the level of hunger and breathing because it's an element of survival.

Historically, a large number of women had illegitimate kids, and the men suffered genetic death. This left behind only surviving men who are paranoid up to their eyeballs about women cheating on them.

In the USA right now, 10% of kids are not by their 'father'. And in the UK it's significantly higher. It's a serious genetic threat to me, and as long as women keep cheating on us, this craving for virgins will only get stronger.

Male and female virgins are about equal in number.

Women who got raped used to kill themselves because they knew it was their fault and that no man would want them but these days it's a badge of honor

Not a logical argument.
There's no difference in morality just because one situation is more common than the other.

Male serial killers are much more common than female serial killers, are female serial killers great people we should all look up to?

Both are good. I will bang a slut but I will marry a virgin. Different tools for different purposes.
If you don't understand the chart you're clearly retarded.

>are you a virgin?
No.
Was my goal to be with a virgin? Nope. Just happened that way. Do I lust to pop that cherry? You bet.

Non-virgins? That's the issue, just by how easy it is for a girl to get pole in comparison to a guy getting slizz. Also with how much it's being pushed for a girl to out there and get some.
Pretty much having a a guy say he's had 1 or 2 partners is believable. If he says something high, we tend to think that he's lying a little and lower that number internally. Now because of how easy it is for women. When they tell us a number we have to add up.
So when she says 1 or 2, it goes up.
Sure, even a zero can lie but chances are lower.

Statistics prove you wrong.

All bullshit.
Cuckoldry is very rare, the most pessimistic statistic show that 5% of children weren't raised by their biological father.
In the UK, estimates go from 0.2% to 2%. In the US it is similar.
Get your information from pubmed and not from MGTOW blogs.

Why would you only marry a virgin if you aren't virgin yourself?

I do understand the chart. The fact is that if you aren't both waiting till marriage it doesn't make a significant difference in the divorce stats, as you'd know if you actually read the study and not saved the chart off Jow Forums.

>And do you think it is some sort of merit? It just shows you lack any desire for real intimacy or commitment.

I know myself. There were, and still are, times in my life where I would have fucked dozens of women a month if it was equally easy for men and women to find sexual partners. So when it comes to women with equal counts to me? I can only assume she's a hoe too.

As for how I know its easier?

I looked through one tinder girls tinder. Its crazy. Every swipe is a match, every match is dtf.

I mean, does it matter?
You worked really hard to be a hoe, some girl doesn't need to work as hard.
If being a hoe is despicable, it still is.

If someone told me "Yeah, I sell heroine to children, but do you know how hard I have to work?" I'd still not think they're champs.

theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/10/sexual-partners-and-marital-happiness/573493/
>Over at the Institute for Family Studies, Nicholas Wolfinger, a sociologist at the University of Utah, has found that Americans who have only ever slept with their spouses are most likely to report being in a “very happy” marriage. Meanwhile, the lowest odds of marital happiness—about 13 percentage points lower than the one-partner women—belong to women who have had six to 10 sexual partners in their lives. For men, there’s still a dip in marital satisfaction after one partner, but it’s never as low as it gets for women, as Wolfinger’s graph shows:

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Go to drunk hitler, you're bed.

go back to Jow Forumsgonewildfat

I'm not negating that women who had a lot of partners are more at risk of divorce.
I'm telling you that if you actually read the study, you'd know that the beneficial effects (lower divorce rate, higher happiness, less depression, etc) are mostly reserved to people who stay virgin till marriage, and not for people who sleep together before marriage.
If you have sex before marriage, as long as you keep it to long term relationship (so 1 to 3 premarital partners), it doesn't show terrible effects on your marriage in those terms.
And male virginity matters as well. The more partners you have, the worse quality your marriage has (as proven by your chart).

So unless you're a virgin who is waiting for marriage as well, doesn't make sense to look for a virgin.

You roasties are panicked that no one wants your used up vajayjays. Face it men are now aware that women who are not virgins are dangerous and toxic and that will not be unlearned. You had a choice and you chose slut. You wanna act like a man then deal with the consequence that you are trash

I'd sooner hire the heroine dealer who managed to sell it in a rich neighbourhood than the one slinging it to already hooked junkies.

Anyhow, my point is that I don't get the indignation. If a girl fresh out of her first relationship says she isn't ready for a player/manhoe, I understand. Guy's should be able to make that same choice without any indignation.

I still wouldn't try to make a hoe into my gf though. Why? She's a hoe, it would be a waste of time.

This chart does not include all the people who married as virgins, were unhappy, and divorced. It's one of the self evident problems of these virgin marriage charts.
>100% of people who have only had one sex partner are still married
No shit, the ones who divorced have found another partner since.

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You mean all the statistics that show men and women having around the same number of sexual partners? Available everywhere. Only incel blogs try to deny the truth by posting fake graphs.

I'm in a very happy long term relationship, getting married next year.

There's no "indignation", just saying your arguments don't make sense.
"I had to work so hard to bang random girls" doesn't make you different from a girl who fucks dudes off tinder. I don't know why you feel some level of moral superiority.

People who married as virgins tend to have very low divorce rates because they are heavily religious.
And higher marital happiness and happiness in general because they have a community.
I also think that there's a correlation between having a very high number of partner and feeling well emotionally - people who come from broken homes for example tend to cope with the emotional pain from that with casual sex. But that doesn't count for everybody who has divorced parents, or everyone who had casual sex (many people fuck around because fucking is fun).

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It's not hypocritical because you'd want someone who is the most likely to be happy in a relationship. I don't disagree with you, but subconsciously I still want a virgin. Also 5% is the usual percentage of significance. Subconsciously, without knowing how or why, a promiscuous girl is not good relationship material and I would prefer the one with the least partners (although I know I will probably not end up with a virgin)

Stop trying to rationalize being an unpaid whore

What's your source for that claim?

>random girls
Only one was a random stranger and 2 others were tinder girls.

>there's no indignation
There's definitely indignation. Maybe not from you(though not everything is about you) but from many young women who get "slut shamed."

As for my arguments not making sense, it would have helped if you addressed them all and didn't cherry pick.

But whilst we're down this rabbit hole, I don't. I just wouldn't date my female equivalent and I would be disappointed if my female equivalent pretended to be something she wasn't so as to manipulate me into a false sense of reality. Likewise I'm sure a lot of bitter MGTOWs would happily trade the incelibacy for some NSA sex with a hoe. They just wouldn't want to make her their girlfriend.

Why? For all the reasons you have listed against me as a dude with a high bodycount.

You're doing a lot of pointing not a lick of proofs.

Yes, there's no substantial difference in divorce rates as shown here between people who had 1, 2 or 3 premarital partners.
If you have sex before getting married, you count as a premarital partner. So unless you're for virignity till marriage, having a virgin girlfriend doesn't change anything.
The stats you posted don't differentiate, but really - it's nearly the same. You can look it up, it's even in the stats that hitler posts here all the time.

It is hypocritical be a virgin seeker if you are not virgin yourself because you're asking for your wife to have values you don't have. It's like saying "I want someone very frugal" while you're covered in gucci in your lambo.
There are things that have a much higher impact of marital happiness than the partner number. Income and college degree, or race for example.

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Present me your arguments.

It is hypocritical to ask for your partner to practice values you can't practice.
It is hypocritical to not date your female equivalent (and also the easiest way to be unhappy - all stats show that big gaps in any area, from age to education to income, cause divorce).

I don't have anything against you as a dude with a high body count. I just find it hypocritical that you wouldn't date a girl with a high body count.
You're at best an hypocrite, and at worst a moron.
You still failed to provide me a reason why it is okay for you to be promiscuous (and you think it is, otherwise you wouldn't do it) but not for a girl.

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The sad thing is it is that simple. The reaction it gets out of you at length is not simple, but the concept is: she's used, damaged goods and you will never be as special to her as you could have been.

The US would have less cucked kids if people would feel a little less invincible all the time, and fuck the UK, Europe has been a shithole for five or ten years now. Always tryna be ahead of the curve so bad that they ended up walking in a circle

Fuck off roastie.

don't get me started on requirements. i'd never marry a girl that wasn't wealthy and never a black one anyway. if i marry she will have to be worth marrying. marriage is shit for men, no reason to setup a situation with my balls in her fist legally.

If he's a crackhead then she's gotta be a crackhead too.

If he's a bible thumper then she's gotta be a bible thumper too.

If he's a third world tribalist then she's gotta be a third world tribalist too.

If he thinks university qualifies you for life then she's gotta think university qualifies you for life too.

"Two crackheads can get along just fine!" -Chris Rock

>calling facts hitler

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Wrote like a 4k symbols post but couldn't split it up nicely so here's a tl;dr

I'm a 24 year old male.
I'm not a virgin, which I heavily regret.
I've had 1 partner, whom I've unconsciously "vetted" for a year and a half, and who's left me cold-turkey a week after I gave her my virginity. It was a misstep that I've regretted for the past 4 years, as I was unsure about her commitment due to a few odd intuitions which I brushed aside as "things to work on as our relationship develops further" on her word, which she didn't actually intend to do. I really, really shouldn't have taken her word as lightly as I did, and I've spent weeks ruminating over whether I'm doing the right thing as I made my choice.
Casual sex and many short-lived relationships are either a sign of treating relationships as temporary and thus not taking them seriously, or being unfit for relationships. It's fine for people to live their lives the way that makes them happy, but I personally can't connect with people who do it. It takes mindfulness, responsibility, and strong will to commit for me to be open to physical intimacy with someone, because that's the philosophy I live by myself.

If you're that desperate to listen to r9k's and pol's mental gymnastics, just go to their boards ffs.

I never said that you have to date someone exactly like you.
I said that if someone is a crackhead, you can't be like "ew. crackheads. I'd only date girls who never used drugs" without sounding retarded.
If you expect your partner to be a university graduate and wouldn't date one who isn't, then you can't really be a high school drop out without sounding retarded.
That's what a man who slept around but wants a virgin does.

If you can't practice a value, you shouldn't demand for your SO to do it.

you just invalidated every interracial relationship. congrats.

>Present me your arguments.
Just realised this reply thread didn't start from my initial response to OP.

Anyhow, the reason I would be reluctant to date girl with as mant former partners as me are the same reasons she'd be reluctant to date someone with the same income.

I don't want experience, I don't care about values. I care about being the man.

You can call that insecurity, sure. To me its just how dating goes, same way when I was a teenager all my female friends wanted to fuck older guys.

My points in this thread were never about morals or values. Just rational relationship power dynamics preferences.

Lol like the guys who want virgins only have any bargaining chips to be choosey in the first place.

Virgin guy. I've got a slut fetish so lots of partners is a plus in my book but even if I didn't want her slutty side to come out in our relationship I worry dating a virgin would be awkward since I obviously don't know how to fuck. Either way I'm fine but I'd prefer an experienced girl.

It's purely a Jow Forums thing. Don't let this place influence your view of real people in anyway lol.

Not the one you're replying to but you ARE exacting the double standard here? She has to be virginal but it doesn't matter that you are/aren't?

No, I haven't.
>If you can't practice a value, you shouldn't demand for your SO to do it.
Being black or asian isn't a value.

There's nothing rational about "being the man" beside having certain genes if you mean biologically.

I've been on the internet a while
Let me tell you something: hypocrites flock to the internet because they never really have to admit they're wrong. That's why it's SO EASY to find shitty hypocrisy, because the internet is where shitty hypocrites usually end up.

I don't want a virgin, I just want a nice white girl who isn't fucking me out of hatred for her past white exes or some need for plus sized waterguns.
Samefag although the user you replied to made good points.

I don't want a virgin gf, I just don't wanna try to be the guy to change a hoe's mind about love.

Well then all I can say is lol and I have no idea what would make you a hypocrite

Cuck.

Nope. Female whores get raped in hell by obese men.

No u

Whores aren't worth raping

purity... she's the hole

Let me preface this by saying I am not a virgin and gauge the women I'm interested in with a comparison to my own body count, which is relatively low. I would say personally I would never count someone out because of their sexual history the same way I would never fixate on finding a virgin girl. It's a bit creepy honestly like some dudes might get a kick of out deflowering a girl. As long as its a reasonable number of partners and not just pump and dumps, I can be an adult about it and look past it. That being said my current gf is almost a virgin, had sex with two dudes once only and feels remorse about it. She sure let's me know how happy she is to have me and I do the same. If I had to guess, many of the guys who push for only dating virgins and slut shaming normal females haven't gotten any or have some other fucked up part to their past, I always view the way people treat others as the way that they themselves feel subconsciously about their own lives

Pretty much.