Why is noone talking about bloodlines anymore?

Bak in the day so at 1935 everyone was ategorizing people into bloodlines.
Hitler even made a law that prohibited german bloodlines to mix with jewish bloodlines.

Monarchs were/ are called blue bloods but now noone mentions bloodlines anymore?

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Because family as such is not being taken seriously.
When was the last time someone spoke of their family as a clan? Pretty much never. People forgot how to value tradition and many of them will be the last in their bloodline.

im not sure how old humanity is but i know that bloodlines were very important for a very long time- monarhs were all inbreeds and people were creating dogs after bloodlines and so on and on and even as i mentioned Hitler was even making laws about bloodlines et.

and this was like less than 80 years ago and now its over?

how can something so important become so irrelavant in such a shrt time?

i dont evn know my own bloodtype let alone bloodline.

How do bloodlines ome from- are there monkey bloodlines or human and alien bloodlines?

i want to find out more about that

Because real life isn't naruto

Jokes aside tribes have become irrelevant in Europe. Only in Montenegro and Albania there are still tribes but no one takes it seriously. My parents are from there and I know which tribe I belong to but it has no relevance to my life

I assume that's what you mean when you talk about bloodline?

It happened because we began globalising our society. The modern Western adult acts self-interestedly instead of for the preservation of a communal bloodline. Communities emerged outside of the direct physical location of a person’s upbringing. Our clothes are made in China and our produce is flash-frozen and wrapped in plastic. We are connected and interfacing with less and less downtime yet increasingly we are lonely. We have lost touch with the local and the land.

>how can something so important become so irrelavant in such a shrt time?
well look at theism. the central piece of all human culture cast away in favour of mcdonalds and iphones.
We're currently in time of inversion, where standard hierarchies (social hierarchies, gender hierarchies, hierarchies of values) are being put upside down or flattened to the point where there is no top and bottom anymore.
Families are a primary survival unit for humans so the importance of bloodlines will be remembered again, but as of right now, people are doing everything their sheltered luxurious enviroment allows them to forget their line.

Monkey bloodlines lol i'd guess so, they're pack animals as well and value their kin.

Because taking bloodlines seriously makes the society inflexible. The work is not distributed by ones skills but by bloodline. Industrial and postindustrial world is dynamic one and such inflexibility would you put in disadvantage.

Your bloodline is not only potentially providing you wild advantages in the industrial world, for many it is the very reason to participate in any industry whatsoever.

I don't get it how bloodline can help in the industrial world. If you need skilled workers you just test their skill not their lineage. Most people participate in the industry because they need money and they are motivated by social mobility (mobility between classes).

>I don't get it how bloodline can help in the industrial world
being born into an influential or wealthy family

>If you need skilled workers you just test their skill
you can hardly test trustworthiness. family relations or family prestige as such comes to play there.
besides, we don't live in a perfect meritocracy, having an influential relative recommend you works any day of the week

>Most people participate in the industry because they need money
...to secure their family, quite often.

>they are motivated by social mobility
yeah no, people who are in the top class still make more money, this is an extremely weird analysis of motivations

Bloodlines done guarentee a trustworthy work really either. Just because you were born to a good/well off family, it doesn't make you as an individual a good person. You could argue that it would keep individuals from tarnishing a families standing, but that doesn't mean it stops untrustworthy people from being shitty. Not only that, you could be severely limited in your choice of workers if you could only select from a certain bloodlines rather than anyone who is capable and skilled in whatever line of work they need filled.

Because the idea of bloodlines is a dumb, antiquated concept?

Nothing said here is proof that "bloodlines" are important. You're just listing examples of privilege and nepotism.

First, there is difference between explicitly organizing society into bloodlines and just letting people have relationships and family.

In the former, you are born as a farmer and even if you accumulate some wealth you will stay being farmer and your children will be farmers aswell. In the latter, you can accumulate wealth, buy more land, hire people(e.g., bankrupt aristocrats), send your kids to university etc..

Second, yes you are right about wealth and interhuman relations. But it isn't something positive. Again you need skilled workers and you keep them trustworthy by paying them enough, not being shit to them and teambuildings. I don't see anything positive about incompetent manager that has the right daddy.

>...to secure their family, quite often.
yes, by moving their family up in the social ladder.

> people who are in the top class still make more money
I don't say it is perfect but surely better than feudalism. And if they are incompetent, they can go down.

>Bloodlines done guarentee a trustworthy work really either.
Good thing nobody said guarantee. You don't guarantee me anything either.

Oh, privilege is not important? Are you for real?

You write as if you were objecting to something but we pretty much agree on every point.

Because you can no longer use it to get laid

Well you gave examples on how bloodlines should help(which they doesn't) and disagreed with social mobility.

>you gave examples on how bloodlines should help(which they doesn't)
of course they do lol
again, you have 3 workers, all of which are equally capable, one of them is from a family that you know takes pride in their name, believes in honesty, dignity etc, other two are slumdogs whose parents are in jail. the knowledge of the bloodline helps you as an employer. it helps him as an applicant. both parties are happy.
you just seem to feel uneasy because it doesn't fit with the usual overly naive meritocracy model.

>and disagreed with social mobility
yeah I do disagree social mobility is what motivates people. the idea that a man wakes up with the idea "today I might become upper middle class yayy" instead of "i need to feed my children" is ridiculous.

Even still, say you were born into a shit family with a bad history. You'd be fucked and will forever be judged, unable to escape the association to them because bloodlines are more important than an individual. Also nitpicking words isn't an argument, it's not guaranteed either way, but it's implied that family lineage would somehow make better workers. Sure they probably would have an advantage, but that doesn't really compare to someone who is actually skilled or motivated. This actively limits your options just because one person's blood is supposedly better than the other's. Blood in general doesn't mean shit, that's why we abandoned that idea because it doesn't actually work.

>what if not tho
you can make the same argument about education
>what if I just wasnt any good at school but now im smarter!!
if you're an exceptional case, good for you. the mechanisms are still better off this way for the society.

>it's implied that family lineage would somehow make better workers
it's implied it would provide relevant information, for example during hiring.

>This actively limits your options just because one person's blood is supposedly better than the other's.
having more information never limits your options, bro

>Blood in general doesn't mean shit, that's why we abandoned that idea because it doesn't actually work.
you're aware companies still ask about your family and future family when hiring, yes?

I still can't see how that helps. Yes it helps to that one individual I'll give you that. However, it doesn't help the employer as the knowledge about parents does not equate with knowledge about individual. And it doesn't help the society as people with shit family are not motivated to obtain the skills, leaving the industrial society with uneducated baggage.

>yeah I do disagree social mobility is what motivates people
first you were dismissing the idea of social mobility by giving example that "wealthy people stay wealthy". Second, I don't see anything bad with man waking up with the idea "I make more money so I can secure my children better future".
Being in dire need to feed your children is an extreme which can happen in any non-socialist society. The difference is that if you feed your children you start to think about their future. In the world of bloodlines there is no better future for them, just the same.

>it doesn't help the employer as the knowledge about parents does not equate with knowledge about individual.
Again, you can criticise education in the exact same way.
A dimploma of how many things you memorized doesn't mean you are fit for the job blah blah.

Face it, user. Family background is relevant like education, past jobs and character are relevant.

>first you were dismissing the idea of social mobility by giving example that "wealthy people stay wealthy"
No, I was dismissing it as a motivator, providing an example where it cannot be a motivator and people still act.

>I don't see anything bad with man waking up with the idea "I make more money so I can secure my children better future".
I don't either. It actually confirms what I'm saying . The family is the motivator here, not mere social mobility.

>In the world of bloodlines there is no better future for them, just the same.
wow.
>>family background is relevant information
> B L O O D L I N E W O R L D D D D

True, education matters, but that's not what I'm arguing though. Damn near everyone in a first world country has a basic education and have options to further their education in a specific job or trade and that should be part of the criteria, but that has nothing to do with lineage and doesn't need to be considered. Also, if someone is asking about your family during the hiring process, then the person hiring is absolutely in the wrong. That's one reason why we have discrimination laws in place to protect families and give them equal chances to obtain work. It's actually illegal to use family as a reason to not hire. Bloodlines are worthless now because we use the individual's standing/abilities because it's a better way to see if they fit the job's needs. People are not gonna care if you're from the honorable Asshat family or Dickbag family, they care about what you can do and how you specifically can benefit them.

>Again, you can criticise education in the exact same way.
You are criticising education system. Of course if it is bad, then the diploma means shit. And if it means shit, then employers don't care about it during job interviews which actually happens.

Family background is the least important attribute and using it to pick candidates just leads to inefficient system, where people with right family does not have to obtain skills and other people are not even motivated to get any skills.

>The family is the motivator here, not mere social mobility.
Even without the family, and without being poor, you are still motivated to work thanks to social mobility. The family just adds more motivation because now you are not working just for yourself.

>that has nothing to do with lineage
It has to do with your objection.
If you object to finding out family information because it COULD skew the view, then the same goes for a diploma. Since you just said education matters', your objection is dismissed.

> if someone is asking about your family during the hiring process, then the person hiring is absolutely in the wrong
you are entitled to have that naive opinion

>It's actually illegal to use family as a reason to not hire
Plenty common practices are illegal lol a state issuing some law is not an argument that family information is irrelevant.
there is a reason companies were asking about it so often it had to be fought by nothing less than law.
it is relevant information.

>Bloodlines are worthless now
Tell that to Clintons. Tell that to Trumps. Tell that to any wealthy influential family that's known nation-wide lol.
You're deluding yourself, user.
You wish things were equal so hard you pretend it's the case already.

But people are influential because of their wealth, not lineage. Strip them from wealth and they will become curiosity celebs at best.

Other stuff you describe is just corruption which is there regardless whether the state is build around lineages or not.

> But people are influential because of their wealth, not lineage.
Those influential people being your relatives advages you. Family matters. Not sure how to state it more clearly.

>Other stuff you describe is just corruption which is there regardless whether the state is build around lineages or not.
Funny way to admit that families do matter in all states but thank you I guess.

Education matters because you specifically are trained to do a specific job. Lineage does not matter because most people can make babies. Being born does not mean you will be useful. Also you just proved my point as to why being born into a certain family does not mean you are qualified to do whatever job you want, just that if you have enough money, you have influence. It's foolish to think that this is a good system, it benefits only the wealthy and I doubt any of us would be included. Why advocate for a model that would leave you with a greater chance of being disadvantaged? Why not make a name for yourself rather than lean and leach off of a family name?

Family matters. Wow that's deep. Of course it matters, same as wealth matters, education matters, religion matters etc..

But we are not talking about "what can influence ones well being" but "why lineages are less important than back then". Which they are because industrial revolution, less farmers, more specialized jobs etc.
Yes, there are influential families but the influence comes from their wealth and connections not by their "bloodline". If their connections were cut their connections and wealth taken away, they would become ordinary citizens. Unlike in state which is build around lineages, where poor nobility have more privileges than wealthy merchants.

>you specifically are trained to do a specific job
not usually, no, you are trained to know things, not perform things.
But that was besides the point I was making.
If "he could be black sheep of the family" is an objection that renders family background irrelevant, then equally "he could not be a good graduate" or "he could have forgotten half of it" or "he bought the diploma" etc are all reasons to render education irrelevant.

>Being born does not mean you will be useful
As if someone argued that lol

>Also you just proved my point as to why being born into a certain family does not mean you are qualified to do whatever job you want
Good. Because it's a good point.
Oh wait you think I claimed having a rich daddy makes you suitable for every job on Earth? Lmao are you even reading my posts? holy hell...

>just that if you have enough money, you have influence.
That disproves none of the points I made.

>It's foolish to think that this is a good system, it benefits only the wealthy
No idea what you're talking about. I chose the example of shared wealth in family because it's simple to understand. Why you think I'm saying it's all about money is beyond me.

You are just consciously trying to not understand how family information matters and it's pretty ridiculous at this point.
>Why not make a name for yourself rather than lean and leach off of a family name?
I can tell pretty confidently that your name means nothing if this is all you can scramble up. Names don't work like that.

>the influence comes from their wealth and connections not by their "bloodline"
and where does the money come from initially?
where did Trump get a "small loan of a million dollars"?
the family.

If you want to shif the goalposts to why lineages are less important, the mere mention of abandoning aristocracy would do lol

>where did Trump get a "small loan of a million dollars"? the family.
Yes. And again, if you take his wealth and connections away, you have an ordinary man. Unlike in times when you could be poor but still a nobility with privileges. How many times do I have to repeat this argument.

> Family matters
and I am the one shifting the goalposts, wow.

> And again, if you take his wealth and connections away
You would have to take his family away.
And THEN he would be an ordinary man.
It is literally through the family that he is not ordinary. Jesus Christ.
You have no argument, you're just phrasing "family" as "connections" lmao

>> Family matters
>and I am the one shifting the goalposts, wow.
of course you are but I feel like you can't be asked to solve 2 arguments at the same time so stick with your attempt to figure out what makes a Trump different from nonTrump. PS: the family

>You would have to take his family away. And THEN he would be an ordinary man.
Nope. If you take his family away, he would be still influential through his wealth and connections.
> you're just phrasing "family" as "connections" lmao
no, you did just now

> I feel like you can't be asked to solve 2 arguments at the same time
Nice, now you are not addressing the argument but me. Tell me, does the OP asks "Why families doesn't matter anymore" or "Why lineages doesn't matter anymore" ?

>Nope. If you take his family away, he would be still influential through his wealth and connections.
You don't remember me mentioning small loan of a million dollars? Which is how he built his wealth? By assistence from his family?

>Tell me, does the OP asks "Why families doesn't matter anymore" or "Why lineages doesn't matter anymore" ?
OP quite explicitly asks why nobody talks about bloodlines, pal. Then user said:
>bloodlines seriously makes the society inflexible
and I've been on that topic ever since.

>Names don't work like that.
So what do you do and how did you get there? Do you walk into an interview and say this is my father and this is my mother, can I have the job? Did your family go to school for you? This is why it doesn't matter. I came from nothing, but I'm working towards a better future for myself because even if my family was well off, they aren't going to do or get anything for me, that's up to the individual to do for themselves. That matters because in this world for everyday people like us, it's about what you can do, not who you and your family are. What major benefit are you getting from people knowing your family?

>As if someone argued that lol.
You're heavily implying that it's the only thing that makes you useful. Even if you knew your entire family tree, do you think anyone would actually care?

Another point on education, if I needed to fill a position for a heart surgeon, I wouldn't hire a nurse to do that job. Yes they both have a medical background, that doesn't mean the nurse is qualified to do that. I also wouldn't hire some guy to do that job just because their parents are doctors.

The fact that you care so much about bloodlines and family ties is kinda funny, it makes me wonder how your family likes having a human leech as a child.

It's arbitrary

>So what do you do and how did you get there?
I got my job regardless of family name.
Why, do you need a personal anecdote to admit the OBVIOUS FACT THAT FAMILY MATTERS?

>What major benefit are you getting from people knowing your family?
People knowing my social background, people knowing I'm probably not going to sacrifice my family's friendship with them and scam them, or if I do they can always appeal to the family, people know I'm not posing on certain things I manifest etc.
They have more information about me. Period.

>You're heavily implying that it's the only thing that makes you useful
No. And if that's the only way you are able to interpret statements like "Family background is relevant like education, past jobs and character are relevant." () Then you without a joke cannot compehend written text.

>I also wouldn't hire some guy to do that job just because their parents are doctors.
Good for you. Family still matters.

>The fact that you care so much about bloodlines and family ties is kinda funny
the fact you go so far as to completely strawman my simple proposition out of proportion is kinda funny too but eh, Jow Forums is full of pretentious cretins

>You're heavily implying that it's the only thing that makes you useful

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So why he needed the wealth if having the right family is enough then? Your line of thought is:
> Wealth is important
> Right family brings wealth
> Therefore family is equally important to wealth.

Is that correct? Because what I am saying is First, having the right family is less important than being wealthy, because you can gain the wealth by other means. Second, in the past when the lineages did matter the presupposition is not
> Wealth is important
but rather
> Lineage is important

>OP quite explicitly asks why nobody talks about bloodlines
Ok. OP was also talking about blood line in the context of race and monarchs. So what do you think is closer to what OP asked
>"Why families doesn't matter anymore"
or
>"Why lineages doesn't matter anymore"
?

>So why he needed the wealth if having the right family is enough then?
Cretin, the family is what provided the wealth.
We're arguing what family changes - it provided wealth - it made him wealthy.

>> Wealth is important
>> Right family brings wealth
>> Therefore family is equally important to wealth.

Okay let's play imbeciles some more shall we?

>>Shopping list is important
>>Reading is necessary for that
>>Therefore Reading is as important as Shopping lists

You're coping really hard, user.

>you can gain the wealth by other means
bears no influence on my propositions

>blood line in the context of race
I never replied to any of that

Nope, we are not arguing what family changes. We are arguing whether having the right family is more important than being wealthy. Yes the family can provide the wealth but so does the work or lottery. You think we are arguing about whether the family matters or not? Well then answer me this question you avoided:

what do you think is closer to what OP asked
>"Why families doesn't matter anymore"
or
>"Why lineages doesn't matter anymore"

>We are arguing whether having the right family is more important than being wealthy
Well, you argue alone.

Lol, thank you for your answer. You clearly missed the point of this whole thread.

If it helps you cope

Study biology. Crack open a high school bio textbook and make reading it your project. You sound like you need a lot of scientific polishing. Our bloodline determines so much about who we are and it is indeed being completely disregarded. People are racemixing like it means nothing but it throws away thousands of years of genetic specialization.

Family relationships are great, but I think you are reaching with this idea. It doesn't matter to the point were everything is family, they are there to support, not hand you everything.

>People knowing my social background, people knowing I'm probably not going to sacrifice my family's friendship with them and scam them, or if I do they can always appeal to the family, people know I'm not posing on certain things I manifest etc.
This only works IF they know your family and if they actually care that much about it. There is a reason why they don't like people listing family in applications is because there is a bias already and they may embellish your characteristics. Your family does not matter to them (unless they are influential) and that is just the way it is.

Pretentious is a good word for you, I think it suits you.

>It doesn't matter to the point were everything is family, they are there to support, not hand you everything.
No. And if that's the only way you are able to interpret statements like "Family background is relevant like education, past jobs and character are relevant." () Then you without a joke cannot compehend written text.

>This only works IF they know your family and if they actually care that much about it
which is what you asked

>There is a reason why they don't like people listing family in applications
There is a reason they had to literally ban family questions BY LAW lol

Dude, at this point you're so gone, I don't think you have anything to offer except goalpost shifts and strawmen.