Flanders general

We need to show you why a lot of Flemish want independence from Belgium(Wallonia).
I've translated parts of a separatist pamphlet('Waarom? - Claudius Severus') from 1918 which was signed by many academics.

"In total, almost 12 billion gold francs were collected by the government in the period 1832-1912. Flanders raised 44% and Wallonia 30.4%."

"The province of Namur(W) with its 360,000 inhabitants received 566 kilometers of iron roads. The province of Antwerp(F) with 1,000,000 souls, 321 kilometers. Namur had 1,216 kilometers of paved roads through the Belgian State, Luxembourg(W) 1,175 and Liege(W) 1,127, East Flanders(V) 763 and Antwerp 679 ".

"The Aalst(V) district has 100,000 inhabitants more than the Dinant district, but still 15 postal receivers less. And so it is throughout the country. West Flanders(V) with its 900,000 inhabitants has 15 postal offices less than the province of Namur(W, 360.000inhab.).
For the construction of workers' houses, 4,500,000 Flemish people received 16,800,000 francs and 3,000,000 Walloons 113,000,000 francs.
Advances were granted for the construction of workers' houses: 2,391,031 francs for Ghent and 21,290,947 francs for Charleroi ". "In the form of agricultural loans, the Walloon Genappe received 10,926,000 francs, Gembloux 3,257,000 francs, Ghent and Bruges, 183,000 and 40,700 francs. There is no talk of Antwerp or Limburg: "they can only help themselves if they want the country farmed". "In 1910, the Walloon part of the country had 580 municipalities that had a water supply. The Flemish provinces had only 20 in their entirety. And so the Belgian State lets the manna flow over our Walloon flanks. For the execution of health works, such as construction or enlargement of cemeteries, drainage of water, sewers, manure pits, etc. The State provided aid in 1910, 1911, 1912, to Antwerp(V) 162,764 francs, to East Flanders(V) 42,265 francs, to Namur(W) 637,014 francs and to Liège(W) 855,590 francs ".
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"The province of Namur has 1,513 primary schools for 70,064 children, the province of Antwerp 1,256 for 198,762 children. The province of Hainaut has 46 industrial schools, East Flanders 6 and the province of Antwerp 4. then it is not surprising that in Flanders there are ten times more illiterate recruits are then in Luxembourg ".

"In December 1913, the Walloon metalworkers and miners were awarded a pension of 360 francs a year at the age of fifty, our Flemish workers and fishermen only receive the retirement pension of 65 francs a year when they are 65 years old. And so comes that in the province of Namur(W) there are twice as many savers as in Limburg(V), and that every resident of the district of Virton(W) has 276 francs on the National Bank, and every inhabitant of the province of Antwerp(V) has 87 francs ".

"...because it was plagued by a potato disease that brought famine and misery to the country, and these were followed by typhus - and other diseases that plagued our people, so to speak," Charles Rogier(future prime-minister) replied: "That the Flemish can learn French, then they can earn a living in Wallonia as a servant and maid, as long as they don't know French, we won't give a franc ".

Hello wafflebro. Say I want to put my benis inside one particular Belgian (specifically Flemish) girl. Any advice specific to that demographic, Flemish girls?
For example, I know that alb*nians cream their panties if you mention even passing knowledge of their national history, specifically Skanderbeg. I wouldn't ever want to fuck one of those abominations though.

Any advice?

Just ask her 'poepen?'

I miss flanders generals. Why did people fuck off?

>fucking and shitting are the same word
What the fuck

>a separatist pamphlet... from 1918
So made by collaborating traitors selling out their own people to the enemy.

very trustworthy

Only the dutch call 'poepen' 'shitting'. You're safe, otherwise just poop on her chest to assert dominance

They were caught between a rock and a hard place. And then, still
Independent flanders > Dietsland > Third reich >>>>> Belgie
Still an improvement

Stop posting that bluepilled and gay lion you fucking retard.

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>"...because it was plagued by a potato disease that brought famine and misery to the country, and these were followed by typhus - and other diseases that plagued our people, so to speak," Charles Rogier(future prime-minister) replied: "That the Flemish can learn French, then they can earn a living in Wallonia as a servant and maid, as long as they don't know French, we won't give a franc ".
Based Wallon bro

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>Veel mensen stemmen gewoon uit frustratie/met emotie. Er hoeft maar een nieuwsbericht te zijn dat X vrijkomt na 1/3e straf omwille van feit Y.
En het is aan ons om het hoofd koel te houden en geen mensen de andere kant op te jagen. Enige 'actie' die rechts nu onderneemt zou averechts werken. Wacht gewoon tot de zandnegers het weer bont maken en dan kan je verder escaleren. Timing is enorm belangrijk. Ik vertrouw Dries hierin.

Ik ken wel iets van ambtenaren op z'n zachts gezegd... Die hebben 'wit privilege' seminaries. (meer) Infiltratie is nodig.

al die dietsland bullshit is the reden waarom de belgicisten zo sterk tegen vlaanderen zijn.

Welke belgicisten? Ik heb er nog nooit 1 over dietsland horen praten

1. When Flemings were starving potato peasants emigrating en masse to France (or Wallonia, see 4.), Wallonia was the first massively industrialized area on the continent.

2. French was imposed on the Flemish not by Walloons but by the Flemish bourgeoisie who recognized the advantage in speaking a lingua franca as opposed to the plethora of local dialects known as "Flemish"

3. You don't see Walloons complaining of oppression of their dialects, nor do we see west Flemings complain of the sidelining of theirs within Flanders. Oppression dialectics are a bourgeois and Freudo-"Marxist" invention and have nothing to do with the daily lives of our ancestors in which class rather than language or ethnic group is the ultimate divider. Go ask the Congolese how freer they feel being oppressed by Congolese policemen rather than Belgian policemen.

4. Wallonia and particularly the Sambre and Meuse (post-)industrial belt were the destination for tens of thousands of poor Flemings to the extent that most Belgians in Liege, Charleroi etc. are at least partially of Flemish extraction (typically half-Flemish, half-Italian). So the Walloon problem is a Flemish one really, in ethnic terms proper - and the ethnic question is the one the Flemings are putting on the table, so reminding them of historical facts is only too fair.

het is niet dietsland zelf maar de expansie drang

I really don't care about the historical context. Walloons just voted commie with massive unemployment. I don't want to go down with them. We are a fake country and we have nothing in common.

Niemand spreekt daarover. Alleen Jow Forums.

>class rather than language or ethnic group is the ultimate divider
society is an ethnic and cultural construct. if a society breaks it breaks on ethnic lines first. europeans have fought against each other for a long time and every time they did some autistic easterners came to europe to try and conquer us. we have to unite through european solidarity and turn our continent into a block of autonomous regions that share a civilization. the world is now fully conquered by humans, if peoples migrate now they must enter a territory held by another people. we need to prevent this through solidarity.

>Niemand spreekt daarover.
er zijn genoeg historische factoren die er al naar gestreefd hebben de verdinaso en vnv bijvoorbeeld.

U spreekt over afwachten van juiste moment. Je hebt een punt natuurlijk. Maar tussentijds niets doen?
Roodpillen is geen 1 2 3 aanpak. Het is inspelen op huidige trends/gebeurtenissen, maar ook op lange termijn.
Roodpillen is een combinatie van tactieken. En die verschillende tactieken kunnen elkaar versterken.

It has red claws, black, yellow and red are the colours of the Belgian flag. We're Flemish nationalist you fucking retard, we don't need a cucked Lion representing Belgian unity.

the red was originally orange but the pigment became red because it was organic, it was added on there in the middle ages to symbolize wealth in gold, the silver lives symbolize wealth in silver. the full black lion was the original flag, but later when the modifications were made was used only as battle flag

Dat is 75 jaar geleden vriend. Niemand spreekt daar nog over.

Ik betwijfel eerlijk gezegd dat je meer dan deze verkiezing kan roodpillen. Je kan wel deze mensen trachten te behouden en verder naar rechts te duwen door in te spelen op de actualiteit. Herinner u vorige zomer. Trouwstoeten, maximiliaanpark, zwembaden waar vlamingen weggejaagd worden, ...
Wat kunnen we doen dat niet averechts werkt? Weinig. Metapolitiek/infiltratie kan je zelf doen en anderen op aansporen. Probeer binnen invloedrijke instelling binnen te geraken.

>Dat is 75 jaar geleden vriend. Niemand spreekt daar nog over.
duidelijk wel he kerel, ik heb al bepaalde vlaams nationalisten daarover horen spreken. voorpost gebruikt ook de prinsen vlag en heeft een departement in nederland.

Alsof die pippo's ergens invloed op hebben. Zolang de media er niet over reee'd is dat ruis.

ik ben er toch sceptisch over

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As for the roads argument in the OP, well, that simply relates to geographical considerations first and foremost. Flanders is openfield terrain while Wallonia is smallholder hilly terrain. Two considerations from that point: roads in hilly terrain are longer. Wow, drop the mic. And secondly, openfield habitat is more concentrated in terms of settlement than hilly smallholder terrain with disparate farms and hamlets. So that's a very weak argument which says nothing of the real conditions. Lastly, Antwerp province is to a great extent covered by the Campine, which were then brackish moors with very low population density. Given the importance of the Walloon-Brussels-port of Antwerp axis I highly doubt the "useful" parts of the province were in any way discriminated against. What a load of hogshit.

Granted the possibility of Belgium was borne of geopolitical considerations foreign to Belgians - "Walloon" and "Flemish" alike. But to say you are a fake country and have nothing in common is a lie. You are a country of contrasts yet there is undeniable overlap. Observe the centrality of Brussels and how the main Belgian cities form a perfect ring around it. In historical terms, you are both the core of High Medieval Europe, of the Franks and Carolingians, as well as a series of border marches when that imperial idea dissolved into France and Germany respectively. Even before that, observe how the Belgic tribes of Antiquity (continuing into the medieval dioceses) straddle the border - the Tungri, in Limburg and Liege for example. Or Brabant, or even Flanders proper (Tournai). The death of Belgium in a sense marks the death of Europe, torn between thalassocratic considerations of the Anglo(-Dutch)-American post-WWII imperialism and the aristocratic, European Imperial idea of old.

>2. French was imposed on the Flemish not by Walloons but by the Flemish bourgeoisie
Completely false, flemish bourgeoisie was forced to frenchify or face being blacklisted.

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ik ben justananon

More precisely about your post: aside from the aforementioned absurdity of an ethnic difference between "Walloons" and "Flemings" (in their current usage, both Belgian neologisms) given the distribution of tribes in Antiquity AS WELL AS the MASSIVE migration from Flanders to Wallonia in the 19th-20th centuries, I must precise what I meant by "class" in simple terms. Simply put, it's either Belgium and cooperation with Wallonia, or balkanized units based on fake history (in what sense is a Limburg coal-miner a "Fleming"?!) under a NATO globalist dictatorship. Either way you'll be ruled from Brussels, but in the latter case you must understand that the globalist oligarchy, including the most "patriotic" Flemish of its members, will have no issue in replacing you with immigrants. But hey, they'll be Dutch-speaking, right?? Immigration is soaring in Flanders, just look at the state of Antwerp. Flemish independence as ethnic preservation is Brexit-tier in depth of thought - it won't be Poles in their case, it'll be fucking Commonwealth blacks and pakis. In your case it'll be Indonesians, South Africans, Turks, Somalians. What I mean to say is that Flemish independence exists only as a tool to break the already fragile nation state of Belgium for the profit of atlanto-globalist eurocracy, you are naive to think the contrary. The cynicism of the elite - Flemish, Walloon, German, French, Anglo - is limitless.

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Waloon bump

Whatever. Ik heb je cock mailaccount uitgenodigd

Oh of course they were, every day the Cogels-Osylei was awash with over six million tears from the oppressed Anglo-Dutch bourgeoisie, blaaarghhh... Cry me a fucking river. The truth is that when your precious Freemason snowflakes were ritually sucking each others dicks in the Lodge every week they were doing it in FRENCH of their own accord, you fucking cuck. If you were American, you'd be a neocon.

>The death of Belgium in a sense marks the death of Europe, torn between thalassocratic considerations of the Anglo(-Dutch)-American post-WWII imperialism and the aristocratic, European Imperial idea of old.
Western Europe is already dead pierre. It would be pretty symbolic then if belgium were to implode to finalise it.

>Anglo-Dutch
Jesus, you're stupid. Come up with whatever bullshit you want, the walloon menace will be thrown out with the trash and then they can be poor fags with the rest of france for all I care.

Follow the money dumbfuck, who do you think your dear Flemish globalists are in bed with, Mexico?

It would absolutely be symbolic, it would be the obliteration of the very HEART (this cannot be stressed enough) of European civilization into two impure autisms, one an Anglo-Zionist potentate based on 19th century romantic bourgeois abstractions (Limburgish coal-miners = Renaissance painters of Flanders) awash with Somalians and Turks, the other a New Left lowbrow Venezuelan soup kitchen awash with Moroccans and Chechens. Seriously, what the fuck???? The Flemish are adorable people, I know this from my grandmother, but they are so incredibly naive about the Machiavellian and ice-cold pragmatic workings of the world... When the Belgians woke to the realization that their elites were dicking and butchering their kids they marched 300,000 strong on Brussels, Flemish and Walloon alike. And now you have returned to slumber with empty slogans.

you are dutch though