This deserves its own thread, with the other Chechnya thread nearing death.
This is honestly one of the best war documentaries I've seen. Why it isn't more widespread I don't know. Very high quality camera footage, combat, extremely gory, and extremely bleak. Exploring devastated Grozny in 1995. The realization that the Russian commander isn't letting the Red Cross enter a village because him and his men are busy in there massacring and raping is pretty disturbing.
>"The Betrayed" is a feature length documentary on the Russian Invasion of Chechnya. It is almost completely depressing, exceptionally violent, deeply cynical and at the same time, almost gut bustingly funny. Well, its funny if you have a very, very, very, ugly dark viewpoint on the human race.
mobility? dunno. i imagine helmets can be very annoying. they also didn't help that much against 7,62 × 54 mm R at the time. probably still won't, today.
They are a couple reasons, most of them were conscripts, either criminals ( if one volunteered to fight in chechnya his criminal records were cleared) or civs with no real combat experience or training. Most of them sold their equipment the first chance they got, yes even helmets or ammunition so they can get cheap vodka and drugs The second reason is pretty obvious the issued helmets were poorly manufactured and weren't bulletproof at all , the same goes for the so called "bulletproof" vests.
>Sure sounds really weighted and balanced, and not politically charged or biased at all.
I'm confused how these slavs are getting so insanely butthurt over a generic documentary. The entire documentary you get the sense that everyone is scum and everyone is betrayed, not sure how it's biased to anyone when its literally just standing there with a camera with no narrator.
i deployed and i've even seen combat multiple times, even what i've always called "heavy combat", thought i've seen some tough shit you know. but that's truly some different level tough shit right there, iraq was a whole different world compared to that, all that mud and barbarism
>kid crying as he just identified his sister among a dirty pile of civilian bodies obviously tortured and slaughtered >someone yells "that poor boy just saw his dead sister!" >village idiot screams "AND HIS MOTHER! DON'T FORGET HE ALSO LOST HIS MOTHER!"
gotta love those soviet citizens man
why all that fuzz btw? why all the destruction, death, despair? chechnya is small, what the fuck can you get out of chechnya?
Hunter Myers
>his men are busy in there massacring and raping is pretty disturbing why everyone are so eager to call bad names on russians at any possible reason? Did we shit in your breakfast or is it media washing your brains out?
Caleb Anderson
OIL muh friend lots of OIL (oil pipes run through Chechnya)
Bentley Smith
What, war crimes didn't occur on both sides in Chechnya? You're willing to die defending a corrupt sadistic random Russian? lmao. Russians take things way too personally, I'm not on anyone's side here, I'm just against creepy sadistic massacres.
They took the village with zero resistance as fighters fled when they approached. Hmmm but suddenly despite no combat going on there, the village burns down and they start executing everyone, they must have just deserved it.
dude during the first chechen war the chechens had the world on their side, they were seen as noble resistance warriors and mostly actually behaved like that. russian pows received fair treatment, not shit like executions and torture. russians were the savages in that war.
it was the second chechen war when they actually started chopping heads
sounds weird when you first hear it, i know. but it's actually true, look it up
Leo Wilson
I am very well aware of those things happening on both sides and I do not support such violence in any form. All I want to say is that quite a lot of people around here like to point fingers without doing any research beforehand and this makes me upset.
Ryder Price
believe me, I'm well versed. Chechnya has quite the shitty history.
You are so fucking wrong, just read Arkady Babchenko's book about the war. It was a common chechen practice to slit the throats of the russian POW's at nights near russian positions so they can hear the cries. In one of the villages the chechens crucified russian POW's and cut their genitals.
but where's the proof? don't tell me not a single photo was made of Russian POWs being crucified with their genitals mutilated, i don't believe that actually.
sounds like plain and kinda simple propaganda, isn't there any proof?
Brayden Taylor
>Why it isn't more widespread I don't know.
maybe because it's just more islamic b.s.
fuck those gdamn towel headed camel jockey sand monkeys to hell
chechnya is a mooslime held territory trying to gain "independence" by claiming sharia law is the supreme law of the land
fuck you
Isaac Walker
>Does this still affect Russians today?
read the red in the face incoherent Russian rage in this thread and you tell me
Adrian Jenkins
>chechclear Same men different massacre, but he definietly liked to capture gore videos for the future.
Jack Davis
Typical disinfo from Brits, and Channel 4 is a government funded mouthpiece for British government. It is known for liberal strong bias.
Do not watch.
Ryder Collins
this
Alexander Myers
noice. What pattern camo is that?
John Wood
I just don't get why the Russians performed so poorly in the First Chechen War.
I get that post-Soviet Russia was a bit of a mess, but how could a professional army, led by supposedly well educated officers, plan and execute such a disastrous campaign?
Nicholas Butler
You don't understand how independently made documentaries are sold off?
Connor Long
>but how could a professional army, conscripts aren't professionals
>led by supposedly well educated officers, if being "well educated" means binge drinking alcoholics who have their post because of nepotism, then yeah
Surely not all of the Russian brass were in their position through nepotism, and all must have graduated military academies at some point, yet it was still such a mess. Russia was so feared by even the most competent of militaries only a few short years before, it seems bizarre that the rot could set in so quickly after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
John Sullivan
that motherfucker is wearing a stahlhelm
Lincoln Myers
Almost every war some poor rus#ian fuckwad gets nailed and castrated. Last one was supposedly held by balls by Ukrainian Armed Forces. And Efraim Sevela mentions, that during wwII similar martyrdom saved him from being volunteered to throw himslef against German MG slit.
Samuel Roberts
I think part of it was they were just expecting from the show of force for the Chechens to go "aw shucks, you out number us I guess we should just give up and not fight". Meanwhile the Chechens fought tooth and nail.
In the first Chechen war Chechnya was a Russian territory in rebellion, (or a Soviet territory that wanted to break off from Russia now the union was collapsing) the Russians didn't invade so much as redeploy troops to a rebellious province. In the second Chechenya thought the rest of Dagestan was ripe for rebellion and invaded Russia, after being pushed out of Russia Putin invaded partly to prove the point about Russia recovering from the depression in the nineties.
>a professional army It wasn't. >led by supposedly well educated officers They weren't. >plan They didn't.
Joshua Clark
So From my understanding Chechnya is an area in Russian, would it be qualified as something like a US state? I’m just wondering where they got all their supplies to wage both wars. Were they supplied arms as they were a part of Russia, then turned around and used those arms against them? Anyone want to fill me in?
William Lewis
This answered part of my question here: Can you fill me in on any more? Was there anyone in the international community that supported a free/independent Chechnya?
