Basically lever/bolt/pump action shotguns and rifles with low mag caps.
Obviously there's ways to get an AR15 and a concealed carry permit but it's an obscene procedure and never applies to your average citizen.
First paintball then airsoft. Gun culture will seep its way up through the youth.
Luke Morris
Why is the modern australian male so deathly afraid of guns lol.
I've seen coworkers literally recoil in fear when another coworker said australia's gun laws are actually pretty retarded.
Andrew Young
Took the girl out to Springvale tonight and she's going to get her license with me so at we can go halves in safe and gun costs now hopefully take her as a hunting buddy when we are all set up. Glad it isn't as bad as all the hype about our laws makes it sound.
With a few adjustments our laws wouldn't be that bad comparatively. People also like to act like Australia was like the USA before 1996, it's never been.
Tyler Ross
I'm sorry to hear that user I know some 45-70s are fun. But as for semis/ pump actions, is the law very straightforward on the definitions, or do you have odd loopholes like the mossberg shockwave?
Jason Nelson
pump actions are actually singled out to be restricted from a standard firearms license.
you need to be a farmer or collector to have them.
pump rifles are ok though.
just don't ask me why, because once you get to the next category you can have semi automatic shotguns but not semiautomatic centerfile rifles.
Anthony Turner
Anyone wanna start a letter campaign on a single issue?
Chase Cruz
>locally produced modern Cat H compliant SP89 Oh lawd my wallet.
Christopher Baker
Anyway. David is applying some pressure on the military appearance law at training federal level, as well as Airsoft and replica guns.
Ryder Perry
So an absolute no to centerfire... what about rimfire?
Adrian Sanders
Basically there are 3 categories.
A/B: sports and hunting bolt action lever action (5 round capacity if shotgun) break action revolver action pump action (rifle only)
C: collectors, farmers, and in some states clay target sports semi auto rimfire (5 round capacity) semi auto shotgun (5 round capacity) pump shotgun (5 round capacity)
D: professional pest destroyers, farmers with large enough property/reason semi auto rimfire (no capacity limit) semi auto shotgun (no capacity limit) pump action shotgun (no capacity limit) semi auto centerfire (no capacity limit) magazines for centerfire guns over 10 rounds (depends on state) lever action shotguns (no capacity limit)
any mistakes someone will correct me, but that's basically it
Sebastian Phillips
also, no pistols for hunting.
some farmers can get them for putting down injured animals.
Logan Mitchell
so the au isnt completely no guns?
Christian Nelson
Nah. We're limited on what we can have and it's a pain in the arse, but we're not completely no guns.
Every day is a fucking struggle though.
Austin Cook
if you cunts would stop shooting up schools it'd be easier for us to make our case.
I've been wanting to get into archery for like two years but I'm still stuck working weekends in my job and ranges seem to be open on weekends. Feels bad.
Blake Young
Reminder to get yourself a Tikka T1x MTR Another reminder that Sako is pronounced Sahko not Sayko
Oh shiddd man I was there tonight. You the cunt talking about normies?
Bentley Gray
>Leyonjhelm Whats his position on normies, yea, nay, or REEEEEEEEEE?
Grayson Garcia
any reason you recommend this rifle in particular?
Jaxon Edwards
Will be one of the highest quality rimfire rifles out on the market without having to drop 2k on an Anschutz. Sako/Tikka quality for a rather fair price of $900 AUD is definitely worth it.
Leo Sanders
Exposure and conditioning. People are told their whole damn lives now that guns are these terrifying evil things that exist to slaughter babies and shoot up schools and should only ever be in the hands of police and the military. Normalization is the best tool here and it's one that we lost in the 90's. Like it or not, guns are weird and borderline obscene to most people now.
Aaron Green
What about cz, lithgow or the rpr
Also mag capacity?
Zachary Young
Sako t1x has 10rd magazines afaik. The new Lithgow .22 is well over 1k isn't it?
Christopher Morgan
LA101 is sub 1k
Grayson Adams
Nah that was my mate though. I was two down from him.
Carson Carter
Interesting. I thought they were a lot more for some reason. I was going to get a sako but I will look into the Lithgow as well now.
Gabriel Gonzalez
cringe
Cameron Reyes
why does .17 HMR gotta be so fucking expensive reeee
Dylan Turner
Meh I just went to see what he was doing at the federal level regarding guns.
Samuel Harris
Thoughts on ruger precision 22?
Robert Peterson
I've no experience sadly. I'm still looking for my first one and looked at Sako's and ruger American's. I'm sure someone here can shed some light on it though.
Grayson Wood
sako seems overkill for a 22, unless you are planning to get real competitive in your shooting
I have to work from 5am-4pm sadly. Only found out about it the other day.
Austin Rivera
Anyone here a briscuck trying to get into hunting through getting accreditation for NSW state forests?
Hudson Lewis
tell us how u go bruv
Sebastian Parker
How much is a permit?
Anthony Gutierrez
wats on for the weeknd boizz
Jayden Moore
I'll be there sometime tomorrow
Does FOU have a stall this time?
Ryan Myers
If i get time and can find a place open in the evening/afternoon I'm going to sus out safes. Got permission from the owner to bolt one down on the floor inside the garage.
Christian Perry
fuck off faggot, we never had CC or anything obviously but it was not unusual at all for normal people to own semi automatic rifles. Making out like Australia never had a gun culture is a lie. If you defend our pointless gun laws to any extent you're a lost cause anyway.
Nathaniel Allen
Nah not this time. Maybe next show.
Grayson Scott
australia never had guns for self defense (except certain people with a permit like jewellers and shit), pistols have been heavily regulated since ww1. most states already had licenses and some had registries by the time port arthur happened.
maybe it had a gun culture sure but it wasn't like america in terms of gun use and rights.
David Flores
What sort of shit do we have for melee weapons in Australia? The laws are such a mess I have no idea what's considered legal for selfdefence
>SMLEfest Oh boy, please tell me its private property and not an (((SSAA))) range
Robert Sanders
Literally no 'weapon' is legal for the purposes of self defense
Austin Sanchez
Best 20 gauge shotgun?
Josiah Rodriguez
A 12 gauge with light loads in it.
Eli Stewart
See Can always step up later
Wyatt Sanders
what if i like the aesthetic
Kayden Lee
no weapon is allowed to be used in self defence
Jonathan Torres
when's FOU getting some sikkunt merch
Xavier Bennett
What the hell are you meant to do then? Just stand there as the guy starts filleting you with a knife?
Tyler Bennett
in the heat of the moment you are allowed to use any means necessary to reasonably defend yourself
what constitutes reasonable is decided in court after you've been arrested
Caleb Kelly
Guys im really keen to get a rifle to start hunting / general target shooting. If I show up to my local range and tell them that will they be accommodating?
How do you even find places to hunt??
Whats the best first step? NSW for reference - already a member of SSAA and NRA
Also, im really concerned about the whole 'the police can come and search your home for anything at anytime for any reason' thing, is it really that bad or just a big scare campaign?
NSW allows state forest hunting. Also look into SSAA farmer assist program.
Most ranges should be accommodating. You'll probably do your safety course there.
Charles Wood
What are FOU stubbies?
Aiden Allen
Anyone got a ruger scout rifle?
Zachary Gomez
Had one in synthetic. Fantastic guns. Factory mags wobble a lot, but still feed fine. Similar options are Ruger Hawkeye compact, Mossberg MVP 308 (takes Pmags), new Ruger American rifles (take AI mags), Savage scout, or a Sabatti scout
Drink holder that keeps the beer cool, and your hand free of condensation/cold.
>have Cat D licence >Can't get import permit The second hand Cat D market fucking sucks boys. Almost not worth it. Almost.
Parker Williams
I have one. Still unfired. Reviews are stellar. Bolt is much smoother. Mini 30 mags are hard to find. You can get 10 round promag ones from Brownells Aus
Category D licence isn't *hard* to get, there's just strict reasons for it. Not really worth it, at first the classes were enjoyable but people are retarded.
Hudson Cook
I've seriously considered that road. How have you found it? How do you show you're genuine about wishing to instruct?
Justin Brown
At first it helped that I worked at a large LGS for 3 years prior, and it was quite fun. Just teaching/instructing in general is a fun job. But then there's just certain things, which for me, really piss me off. Mostly old people/boomers. Ones who have 'been shooting for 30 years' but only now are getting their licence? The best students are young girls, as in 18-23. Usually with their boyfriends. They're kind of scared so they listen to every things you say, which is helpful.
You need to have a Cert IV in Training and Assessment, at least for QLD. After that, it's up to the individual RTO as to how to hire people.
Ethan Clark
Cheers for the insight.
Jaxon Hall
oh right, a stubbie holder. For some reason I had in my mind a pair of stubby shorts.
Anthony Rogers
How does the import process and PTA work for importing something like an AR-15?
Owen Scott
It’s amazing how many people thought gun ownership was basically banned after 1996. Did these boomers even look into the fact you could apply for a licence for your double barrel and SMLE?
Jayden Allen
Why would they though?
If you're some old boomer out in the middle of nowhere why bother paying money and fees to do what you've always done. They probably only come in to get a license once they run out of ammo.
Camden Butler
May as well pony up and just buy a locally made AR15
not him btw
Matthew Taylor
Being in possession of an unregistered firearm? But you’re correct farmer joe probably doesn’t care they took our tacticool semi-autos.