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John Mitchell
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Brody Barnes
Scrapheap.
Kevin Martin
more like brapheap
Evan Phillips
Its shitty by modern standards, but jesus does those things look evil. Its like something out of C&C
Kayden Smith
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James Foster
*provides medium range air defence to your task group*
Luis Rogers
i love the double barrelled turrets
Owen Jackson
BALTIYSKIY FLOT
Brody James
say that to my face not online
Lincoln Moore
Nicholas Bell
Gotta go fast
Henry Lee
We need a double barreled 155mm.
Brayden Price
Indonesians don't seem impressed
Jackson Collins
By what standards is it shitty? By not being a missile barge for land attack cruise missiles? Sorry, but that's not what a destroyer exclusively is. I can understand calling Project 1155 shitty, but not 956.
Nathaniel Ramirez
Design started in the 60's and it is just showing its age now. By 1980s standards it was excelent, but things like radars, electronics, missiles, signature reduction and command&control systems has evolved quite a bit since that.
A large number of them has been decomissioned or sold, and that for a good reson.
Alexander Roberts
Elijah Perez
I can only get so erect
>tfw the ageold debate on side-by-side or ontop of each now regards field artillery
Cameron Jackson
Stoikiy is sleepy
Dylan Butler
Justin Reyes
Jordan Mitchell
Nice. Can you post Udaloys too?
Eli Nguyen
Udaloy go to hell
REMOVE Udaloy
You are worst BPK
Gavin Wood
Austin King
Luke Taylor
Oliver Williams
Levi Anderson
What upgrades have the Russians done to the Sov/Uda?
Mason Mitchell
Matthew White
>Design started in the 60's
Meaningless statement. So did B-1 design. And F-35 is by this metric a 1993 aircraft.
>things like radars, electronics and command&control systems
Are not a part of the conceptual design.
>missiles
What about them?
>signature reduction
What about it? It's not a stealth design, but neither is Burke or Kongō or whatever.
>A large number of them has been decomissioned or sold, and that for a good reson.
Reason being the same as for why Kuznetsov has engine problems: the boilers are extremely sensitive and 90s lack of maintenance has damaged them beyond any solid repair.
Easton Baker
Sovs, not much.
Udaloys get new radars and sonars every so often, although Marshal Shaposhnikov is currently in pretty deep modernization atm.
The PLAN Sovs are currently being rebuilt.
Daniel Watson
>New sensors
>Kalibr
>Uran
>Probably Redut too
SOON
Jack Green
>Meaningless statement.
The 956 and 1164 designes were completed by the late 60s, they were intended to go into production along side the 1134s. The designs was slightly updated in the later 70s, mainly to keep the Leningrad factory which build the engines in business.
The 1155s and 1154s were the only new Soviet designs in the 1980s.
Its not to say that the 956s are useless, there is just less you can do with the design.
James Stewart
That's Pacific Fleet, Admiral Vinogradov and Admiral Nevelskoy.
Brandon Reyes
Pretty much no capable nation still operates destroyers designed in the 60's user. Just accept they are becomming outdated.
Carter Collins
Right oh. I read the the odd radar upgrade here and there on navyrecognition, was wondering if there was a class wide program on.
Got a source with more details?
Joseph Rogers
>was wondering if there was a class wide program on.
Not really, whenever they have a spare Fregat they swap the old one out.
Most have relatively modern combat co-ordination systems, with newish coms and LCD displays, etc
The first batch ships still only have one Kinzhal systems, rather than two.
Carter Baker
Brody Morales
Nolan Allen
Lucas Sullivan
>The 956 and 1164 designes were completed by the late 60s
Wrong.
>they were intended to go into production along side the 1134s
Intended by who?
>The designs was slightly updated in the later 70s
More like just designed in the 70s.
>The 1155s and 1154s were the only new Soviet designs in the 1980s.
RTFM, both 956 and 1155 are 70s designs. In the late 70s they began R&D of Project 1156: the merge of both with the standard displacement of 9000 tonnes. The project continued through the 80s and grew up to 12000 tonnes, but by that time it was deemed to constly so they proceded with project 1155.1 as more affordable alternative of combining both potent anti-surface and anti-submarine warfare capabilities in one hull.
Outdated by what standard?
>no capable nation still operates destroyers designed in the 60's
Good that it was designed in the 70s then.
Bentley Garcia
Xavier Lee
Benjamin Stewart
Any good pictures of the Neustrashimyy class in recent times? Does the flagship have its Switchblade missiles yet?
David Jackson
Neat, just the one ship? It's a pain in the arse tracking which individual ships in the Russian gets what upgrade and so forth.
Dominic White
>Outdated by what standard?
Western such. Compared to the Chinese or Indian Navy its okay I guess.
Im not saying its useless, Im just saying that the only reson its still in use 50 years after work started is because the USSR collapsed.
David Taylor
Just look at how much black exhaust it puts out, it's like a 1800"s coal fueled steamship.
Julian White
How many tigers do they carry?
William Murphy
Most ships do that when they're starting up.
Hunter Parker
>Outdated by what standard?
It’s armament and electronics.
Zachary Cruz
Erection Projection
Ryan Miller
Except the Chinese navy operates ships that are designed in the 2000s and 2010s.
Outside the USN, there is no other navy in the world that operates so many ships with AESA radars. Actually, the USN operates no ship with AESA radar, but with PESA.
The Russian navy is, outside their submarines, really bad for a nation of that size and geopolitical weight.
Levi Ross
While the chinese navy is undoubthably more powerfull then the Russian, and they are expanding greatly, the Chinese navy is still operating a large quantity of older ships (Including Project 956 destroyers)
Dominic Diaz
>Actually, the USN operates no ship with AESA radar, but with PESA.
At least try to be factually accurate.
Brandon Stewart
Project 2
Ryder Wright
>Outdated by what standard?
STEAM BOILERS. 956 uses a fucking steam boilers. And living conditions on Soviet build vessels are hell.
Eli Ward
Thanks to all that microelectronic production facilities that US build in China. Whoever could predict that they will steal american technologies and use them for military purpose, right?
Henry Carter
is it fucking coal powered?
Adam Foster
is it time again?
Hudson Howard
Close.
Luis Bailey
hehe
Jaxon Long
>Thanks to all that microelectronic production facilities that US build in China.
that's not what happened. And GaAs/GaN production was never sourced to China.
The short rebuttal to your asinine statement is that you're retarded. The slightly longer and more informing one is that, originally, most FDI into China was from the Chinese diaspora. US FDI was fairly late into China.
Jordan Butler
PLAN Sovs under refit.
Juan Thompson
>russians are still stuck on that gay, stupid slanted deck tube meme
They will get BTFO the second a naval shooting match starts.
Michael Jones
Looks like a BUK (not -M3) missile.
Asher Moore
Asher Anderson
FREEDUM AIN'T FREE, BOI!
Gavin Phillips
Side by side is simpler and less strenuous for the loaders
Over-under are less likely to induce rotational torque in the carrier
Angel Miller
thats a fire. meanwhile the kutzy looks like that all the time. plus you can see it from space.
Wyatt Jones
That's vulcano.
Jackson Stewart
their ships will looks really fucking cool when they're on fire though
Gabriel Johnson
Thomas Wright
Lincoln Stewart
Parker Anderson
Brayden Brooks
Are the ship to ship missiles still being supported?
Kevin Robinson
Michael Ward
Yeah, all have been rearmed with P-1000.
Matthew Diaz
Charles Martinez
What frigates, corvettes and missile boats do the Russians operate?
Owen Morris
3 Grigorovich class
2 Neustrashimy class
2 Krivak class
5 Steregushchiy class
2 Gepard class
20 Grisha class
6 Parchim class
5 Buyan-M class
3 Buyan class
2 Bora class
12 Nanuchka class
24 Tarantul class
Gavin Bailey
How, where are the AA missiles?
Joshua Anderson
Arm launcher behind the main gun. Just like the Mk13s.
Benjamin Howard
Jose Cooper
God, Soviet/Russian merchant ships get me hard!
That rounded superstructure, UNF
Joshua Richardson
Russian ships are as beautiful as Russian women.
Hudson Young
so pretty until they hit 25 and go babushka?
Leo Scott
Stunning until they're thirty years old when they begin to age three times as fast?
Eli Rogers
>American ship with engine damage vs Russian ship operating normally
Isaac Taylor
No love for smol qts?
Daniel Cooper
Thats alot of tubes
Isaiah Phillips
>smol
David Parker
for you.
Tyler Morris
Sorry, I don't speak imbecile faggot, could you please translate your drunken redneck babbling to human.
Jonathan Evans
Western standard of using destroyers almost exclusively as land attack barges is not the only viable doctrine in the world.
>Im just saying that the only reson its still in use 50 years after work started
40 years after the design started. Right now all Russian destroyers 35-25 years years old. Quit trying to make them look older than they are.
>is because the USSR collapsed
No, it is not. USSR has always been hesitating to decommission even the oldest and barely useful hardware just in case. Do you really think they would have decommissioned still potent destroyers?
Owen Sullivan
>It’s armament
What about it?
>and electronics
Are not a part of the conceptual design and are being maintained up to date.
Hudson Thomas
>STEAM BOILERS. 956 uses a fucking steam boilers
Project 956 Otlichnyy: 150535 miles in 8 years of service.
Deal with it.
Easton Roberts
Project 956 Sovremenny: 19985 miles in less than 6 months.
Chase Barnes
Project 956 Otchayannyy: 121920 miles in less than 10 years.
Adrian Mitchell
Project 956 Osmotritelnyy: 21300 miles in 3 months.
Charles Moore
Project 956 Bezuprechnyy: 20197 miles in half a year, 62000 miles in 8 years of service.