Would the HEAT shootout be survivable today?

Would the crew from HEAT be able to get away with today's law enforcement and security?

I don't see how a shootout with the police for any prolong period would be feasible, or escapeable.

For those who haven't seen it.
youtube.com/watch?v=hql-kW23-AQ

Attached: maxresdefault (1).jpg (1920x1080, 161K)

Other urls found in this thread:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout
crimestopperssa.com.au/case/hills-bandit/
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

Patrol officers have ARs now, so probably not.

Not today man, I mean with their tactic at first the robbers would be putting the hurt out, Then every swinging dick with a gun would come down on them. Unlike the movies their would be civilian casualties and concealed carriers would also join in the fight with that many cops and people being shot at. Lastly every swat, federal agency and law enforcement within 100 miles would show up with a hard on of a lifetime.

Boston bombers broke contact and got away minus one brother

daytime vs night
cover of darkness is a huge factor

Possibly.
It took the Dallas PD a drone strapped with explosives to take out one guy with a Saiga.

Attached: 1505888999402.gif (360x270, 1.82M)

>Boston bombers one handgun, pipe bombs and a pressure cooker bomb in a small neighborhood in Boston
vs
>Heat full auto assault rifles in downtown L.A. with the LAPD on watch for these guys knowing they will strike again

>Boston bombers broke contact and got away minus one brother
Also they blended in the crowd, a crew with guns blazing is A LOT easier to find.

>Not today man, I mean with their tactic at first the robbers would be putting the hurt out, Then every swinging dick with a gun would come down on them. Unlike the movies their would be civilian casualties and concealed carriers would also join in the fight with that many cops and people being shot at. Lastly every swat, federal agency and law enforcement within 100 miles would show up with a hard on of a lifetime.
>Patrol officers have ARs now, so probably not.
I get that police now have carbines, but are most of them proficient enough to fire under stress? Also with CCWs, im pretty sure most people would be running away then actively engaging. I mean if CCW are firing and police are there, they're gonna cause more problems.

>blended in with the crowd
Watch the video of the shootout, moron.

I understand where your coming from but I was just stating their would be some concealed carrier engaging the threats. Cops start dropping, people yelling friendly. ITs going to be chaos no matter what but after a certain point. I would guarantee you would have cops with concealed carrier providing cover to another in such a high casualty situation. It will be a shitshow all around.

operator tactics

Where are these fucking goalposts? Concealed carriers in downtown Los Angeles??

>Watch the video of the shootout, moron.
I meant initially during the explosion...moron.

Attached: gitoutjamal.jpg (530x488, 61K)

you mean the one where he ran over his brother with a vehicle while they were both trying to run away from a fight and left him for dead?

OP said A heat like shootout not exactly in LA. Fuck user even people in LA have ccw.

That depends.

If it was the same situation where LEO was waiting to ambush them as soon as they walk out the door they would roll up in their milsurp MRAPs and be able to close the distance quickly.

>civilians getting involved in firefights between cops and crims

Are there any examples of this happening?

I would think that in the confusion of a gunfight, getting involved as a civilian would be a great way to get yourself shot by the cops.

To the point I would say that getting involved as a civilian in such a scenario would be both retarded and unwelcome.

Texas clock tower sniper had civilians running home to get their rifles and they fired on the shooter until the police went up top and blasted him.

Well the thing is, every situation is different. Whos to say that the robbers dont start shooting right next to concealed carrier and he pops the robber in the head or next to a police officer who is being shot at and both start to provide coverfire. I was just saying maybe in this shitfuck of a situation, ccers would help out..

>concealed carriers would also join in the fight
I know you have fantasies but please don't do this, you will get shot by a cop.

Why would we be talking about that in a thread about surviving and escaping a shootout with the police? Just use some thought before posting.
Yes. That one. We got a lot of that on video, like Dallas.

Given large amounts of ammo and 75 round drums and fully auto AK's
Most certainly.

556 can go through vehicles with no problem
but 76239 has a quality all its own when it comes to barriers.

Multiple men hosing down on comers with full auto aimed fire..wooof. It depends on how many guys got em though.

I can see the cops loosing shit tonnes of guys so much so that they back the fuck off because a sheer ammount of them are down and or dead.

As for getting away scott free?

If the helicopters can be dealt with - such as a pkm set up for that use then maybe.

meh

>76239
Mikhail I've got your number
I'm gonna make you mine

>Texas clock tower sniper
Fair enough, was the 60s though. With one shooter engaging from a fixed position at long range...

Letting off shots anywhere near a bad guy would make any right thinking policeman to see you as a threat.

You will get shot if you do this.

Yes.

This is a good point.

The liklihood if actually getting away with a high-profile bank robbery like this is slim to none. So if you're crazy enough to do it, why not go balls deep?

Two guys with carbines and a simple dot optic. One guy with a longer barreled rifle with light magnification. One dude with a support weapon like a PKM. All with plate carriers, frags, and sidearms. I am sure you can get all this shit on some black market just about anywhere you are.

Two carbines point suppressing targets. The long gun dealing with high threat targets. The PKM in barrier penetration, heavy suppression, and perforating aircraft that get close enough (Though most Police and news choppers orbit a few thousand feet above what ever is going on.)

A robbery like that is not likely to end well for you. So why not go out with a bang?

it isnt survivable in the movie either imo

its just a movie

L.A. County is a no-issue county. No citizen has a CCW there.
t. Californian

You'd have to add in modern availability of plate armor for the robbers. They can use plenty of different rounds that can penetrate police armor as well, and so I'd give it an even or even higher chance of success. As one user pointed out, a single duded took on the Dallas police. 4 guys with a good plan and good equipment could do very well.

>The PKM in barrier penetration, heavy suppression, and perforating aircraft that get close enough

good luck aiming that 20 lb machine gun with any sort of accuracy at a 30+ degree angle

The cops had rifles in that scene too, I don't get what's dramatically different 23 years later. The planning would have been different but the limited time frame of the tip-off is why a bunch of detectives had to walk up to the bank at all instead of having SWAT on the scene..

>most Police and news choppers orbit a few thousand feet above what ever is going on
Yeah, helicopters do not hover just above buildings the way they do in movies, especially not when there are guns being fired. Civilian helicopters are not armored and even handgun rounds would penetrate the same way they would a car, but you'd never get the opportunity. You likely would not even notice the helicopter.

You know, you don't have to stand in the middle of the road to engage shit, right? Even using a pillar or side of a vehicle as support would be far more effective than shooting offhand.

It's all moot anyway, the helicopters that orbit scenes are never that low. Few thousand feet with a fairly wide orbit.

>Why would we be talking about that in a thread about surviving and escaping a shootout with the police? Just use some thought before posting.
>crew with automatics guns blazing at the scene
or
>2 kids
Why are you talking about a situation where the bombers weren't expecting a shootout in the first place. You really think if they weren't found they would've started shooting?

Came here to say this. You people are delusional.

Not watching that cause spoilers but if you want to survive once backup arrives, you escape. Surviving any shootout against police with rifles is Hollywood fantasy. But, if you're in a car (preferably with some armor) it's pretty easy to scare them off. Now how you'll escape before they call in the big guns is the hard part.

>hasn't seen Heat

>what are snipers
Well in my defense I can't into piracy and I'm broke.

>it isnt survivable in the movie either imo
>Came here to say this. You people are delusional.
2 people did.

It really happened just two years after the movie.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

Honestly, a big operatic bank robbery would be the best way to commit suicide by cop ever.

>I can't into piracy
What are you, stupid or something?

What?

Can't into a VPN, not my choice.

>the helicopters that orbit scenes are never that low. Few thousand feet with a fairly wide orbit.
Daytona Beach Morning News Journal
Associated Press
August 15, 1975

RIVERSIDE, Calif. - About 100 heavily armed law officers searched unsuccessfully Thursday for snipers after a night of violence in a predominantly Mexican-American Casa Blanca area of Riverside Calif.

Six persons including two police officers, were wounded by gunfire Wednesday night, police said. A police helicopter and light plane were disabled by what police said was automatic weapons fire.


Share
Tweet
Email
More
Save
SAN FRANCISCO, Oct. 10 (AP)—A group calling itself the August Seventh Guerrilla Movement has claimed responsibility for the sniper attack last week on an Oakland police helicopter in which two officers were killed.

In a letter to The San Francisco Chronicle, the group said it shot down the helicopter “because of a failure of the state Department of Corrections to release the Freedom Fighters known as ‘the San Quentin Six’.”

The‐group is referring to six inmates awaiting trial on charges stemming from an attempted escape from San Quentin three convicts and three guards were killed Aug. 7, 1971. The group's name apparefftly was taken from the date of the attempted escape.

The typewritten letter, receive here Tuesday, described the helicopter shooting:

“The weapons used were two .30‐caliber carbine automatic rifles fired from stationary positions on the ground at the armed copter spying on the city from an altitude of about 500 to 600 feet.”
The police said the helicopter's pilot, Officer Wendell Troyer, was shot fatally in the head, causing the copter to crash and kill another officer on board, David Guider. The police have ruled the crash “a double homicide.”

ya it was realistic up to that part in the movie imo

you are replying to the guy who made who acknowledged my post you dummy

I think that despite all of their fucking retarded lack of planning and equipment one managed to survive a shootout by breaking contact with the police. By that logic, a well armed and equipped crew that has a plan does stand a chance of doing the same. They won’t live long after, but that’s not the question being asked.

>They won’t live long after, but that’s not the question being asked.
Why wouldn't they? In fighting between the criminals?

There would be like 1 concealed carrier nearby at most. Maybe 2.

FUCK YOU PUSSY

Yes, the stress of being the subject of a massive national manhunt and the whole area being shutdown around them would obviously cause them to massacre each other.

Attached: 9B7FBF2F-0BAE-45DD-B176-1056E37F7549.jpg (831x358, 62K)

snake doctor got a raw deal in that movie.
heres a question, youre put in the same situation as that scene, which gun do you choose out of the ones shown? i think the 20" a2 is pretty solid

Pkm is 16lbs

Allstate?

Where the fuck are you getting a PK and frag grenades from?

yeah

Chechens

I present for your consideration, a member of NY SWAT with his Eotech on backwards.

Attached: riflesight-1.jpg (697x523, 47K)

it was an sks. he was holed up inside a building. i'm sure a tough guy like you would stroll right on in though

If you are shooting at them sure. I highly doubt they would be against someone helping out if it was obvious and you weren't being a dumbass pointing at them. Quit being such a fag.

How long would the North Hollywood shooters have lasted if the cops had ARs?

Attached: mannequins.jpg (622x364, 39K)

Came to post this

No, it was a AK-74 variant you dumb fuck

It would have been a regular day in LA and over in minutes

I already forget the guy’s name, but there was some idiot in Alaska who tried to be le ebin rampage man and take on police with a similar body armour suit (with one of those ballistic facemasks too) and an AR with shitloads of ammo.
Except the police did have ARs and smoked him literally within 5 seconds of him opening fire. Nobody else even got a scratch and the dipshit fired not even 10 rounds before being killed.

He was running 3a and got shot in the back of the head.

Irrelevant, bullets travelled faster back then.

Not everyone would succumb to that honestly, there have been a lot of heists that were successful

Modern takeovers with long guns aren't profitable or a regular occurrence. Banks aren't worth it anymore.

i meant older heists then

and his eyeball pressed directly against it.

sadlol

i do t know, hmmmm. North Hollywood Shootout......

> i do t know, hmmmm. North Hollywood Shootout......

Same damn thing

Bank Robbery has like the 2nd highest clearance rate of all crimes last I looked. Most people that do it are stupid as hell, but even with lots of planning there is almost no chance of getting away with it.

It's almost always a crackhead slipping a note and dipping with $1000.

>Bank Robbery has like the 2nd highest clearance rate of all crimes last I looked
what does that mean

Engaging them in a crowded area like that doesn’t seem realistic. Why not tail them to another location that won’t risk so much collateral damage?

The only way they can be sure is if you basically run up behind their police car and ask to help before even drawing your pistol, in which case they will also only tell you to buzz off or worse have to expend a man to escort you away.

GET A FUCKING DVD OR BLU RAY COPY, or use Netflix; just watch it for fuck's sake.

It fucking baffles me that people, particularly gungho "muh freedum" Constitution tards in gun community are not infuriated by the fact that United State police force used an IED to kill a citizen of this country. Yes, I get that the guy was a fucking madman, but it's obvious they are all silent because he was a black madman. This is not about his race, but should be about the use of a fucking IED to blow someone up. It wasn't your typical "sniper take the shot" moment as they usually wait until someone is in extreme danger, but this was a murder, of a piece of shit, but a US citizen.

Case solved

speak for yourself faggot

...

Wiki said these guys were involved in two robberies prior so they must have got away with it

prior means before

Attached: 1431201789708.png (914x1091, 39K)

The hollywood bank robbers despite their massive firepower didnt get any shit done so I doubt unless it was a platoon of trained people, cops would shut it down quickly

Funny how life imitates art, isn't it?

YOU KNOW WHAT MAN. fuck the police man. your life is not in danger, no need to protect the money of the bank. The federal reserve just prints more paper cash after that.

Clearance rate = percentage of cases where charges are pressed (ie. case is essentially solved).
For bank robbery in the US the clearance rate is like 99% I believe

>For bank robbery in the US the clearance rate is like 99% I believe
lolwut.

The clearance rate for turds finding their way into a toilet in a US police station wouldn't even be 99%.

The rate hovers between 50%-60% in most states, which is still the highest clearance rate of most crimes, but it's absolutely nowhere near 99%.

Well a modern heat shootout would be at night using flir and IR laser designated air mine drones with C4 charges. Innovation always has the edge and criminals are very innovative.

Probably because most successful bank robberies don't involve Hollywood-tier theatrics, but literal notes passed with the words "I have a gun," bank tellers who don't want to die for (((them))) and pass over (((their))) shekels without a word, and a lot of travel and discretion.

Their armor would not have stopped a single 5.56 round.

>concealed carriers would also join in the fight
This is a good way to get blasted by a cop.

In the town where I went to high school, a guy robbed a bank and got away on a bicycle in broad daylight.

Theres probably only 1-2 cops on duty at any time in the small town, but still. It was a fat guy on a bicycle.

Didn't user go and rob a bank and was posting pics of it here?

That's nothing, near where I live a guy has robbed 11 banks, half of them on a bicycle and to this day still hasn't been caught.

crimestopperssa.com.au/case/hills-bandit/

you must be new

Ha. That's breddy gud. I guess bicycles are the way to go for getaway vehicles.

>nobody will know
>free tendies for life

Attached: Screenshot_20180530-044953_Chrome.jpg (978x976, 557K)

AK-bandit was active for 5 years, and was caught by mistake.

Attached: akbandit.jpg (767x613, 301K)