Could the US military realistically eliminate the mexican/south american cartels?

Your an idiot the main source of funding for the Mexican cartels is US drug trade. If the border was totally closed to where no one could go through either way the cartels would kill each other off and die or at least be severely weakened

>lets send 100k+ US soldiers into the mountainous jungle to fight a well-funded and equipped guerrilla enemy on their own turf with no clear objective and no public support.

It would turn out even worse than Vietnam. You'd essentially have to occupy and police the countries for an undetermined amount of time. and even then drugs would still get out - just as they did in Afghanistan.

>thinks drug traffickers don't use boats, planes and tunnels.

Cute

Overland access is the cheapest, most efficient means...

Stfu with your wahh wahh muh ebil democrats faggotry, answer the question or stfu you whiny little bitch

Except its air and sea you dumb cuck....

>Yes, if there's the political will for it.
No.

sure if you've got a couple lb's of coke in your ass.

But these guys are shipping in literally tonnes every month.

They are building submarines as delivery vehicles.

unless you live under a glass dome that can't be tunnelled under then drugs will be a problem - and even then home-grown drugs become the norm as in many areas of Europe.

I'm not interested in a debate on drugs, but the solution is modern, more lax laws - not necessarily legalisation - and more control over what does come in.

Good b8 8/10

Of course, but cartels feed a drug need in america. Until we start punishing druggies with executions in the streets, cartels will exist.

Do you think they could branch out to prescription medicines? My grandma is getting fucked from a lack of generic Cosopt in the pharmacies around here.

It's literally free to force a fleeing "refugee" to illegally cross the US border with a kilo of cocaine in her backpack...

>what is fuel costs?

>Until we start punishing druggies with executions in the streets, cartels will exist.

This is the exact opposite of the solution, it's that draconian thinking that's caused the US to have such a big drug problem despite it's enormous prison population.

You need to create a controllable alternative to the cartels to rob them of their income.

>what are drug costs

It might be free to do that but you lose the product in the process 9 times out of 10.

one big shipment a month that gets through via plane or sea might cost more to arrange, but it doesn't get intercepted nearly as often.

Cartels deal in tons not kilos, just stfu

>Make the drugs legal
>Suddenly you can buy them at a dispensary anywhere in the country
>The cartels suddenly lose their main source of funding and reason for existing

PROTIP: The US military has been trying to fight the same group of illiterate farmers with outdated equipment for decades and has gotten basically nowhere. The cartels have a LOT more money than the Taliban.

You win a drug war by not fighting a fucking drug war.

we could if we killed all Mexicans

Or kill every american so they wouldnt buy drugs hmmmmmm

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Why not both?

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The organizations that currently exist today come from remnants of former organizations that have been broken apart by governments in the past.

>It would turn out even worse than Vietnam.
So what a 3:1 KD in favor of the US instead of a 3.5:1 KD?

>A fucking leaf.

>thinks k/d is relevant in war

You'll still end up with tens of thousands of dead Americans with nothing to show for it.

I don't get how people can be so stupid to not know this

The problem is that we half ass it instead of going all in.

How would they do that? Through war?

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i'm pretty sure having the highest incarceration rate in the world - with most of them drug-related - counts as going all in.

Yes. you even provided the means.
>realistically eliminate the mexican/south american(s)

If you remove the degenerate negroids, you will solve the problem.
The drugs aren't the problem, they're the financial means. Portugal has all drugs legal and they're not a cartel ridden shit hole. The problem is mexicans.

cocaine is a white middle-class drug, thats why it's worth so much.

If we didn't care about civilian casualties yes we could. But they're mixed in and living among the general population.

Yes, legalize and tax all drugs.

The US has a drug war problem

Ok shithead I hope you have kids with substance problems.
End the war on drugs how about? Choose freedom!

This.

Thank you! Everytime I think Jow Forumsconservatives are intelligent I run into these Duterte drug war idiots

Lol , there’s a war going on and the people on drugs are winning? Sounds like you’re on the wrong side.

>drugs are legal
>even more drugs flood the streets
Fuck it, let's make pedophilia and murder legal! Lets tax it even!

I'm not a against legalizing drugs, but it's not like they can't still sell vast quantities at a cheaper price while evading taxes while a bunch of Colorado and Oregon residents pump tax dollars into their leftist government. The US isn't the only drug market by the way. Plenty of weed smokers, heroin junkies, and crackheads south of the border as well.

You have zero/very limited understanding of both Liberty and History... Drug use is a victimless crime used for revenue generation....Murder and pedo's however have a victim...

It's not middle class, it's a high roller drug. The drug of choice for gamblers and stock brokers.

>what is malum in se vs malum prohibitum

Come back when you understand basic legal history.

Yeah lets ban alchohol too! Oh wait...

Nope. We've had a decade + to wipe out a bunch of anti-education goat fuckers in desert caves but haven't done that either. But why would we bother? Our policy is to contain the shit and let the organization of the Mexican government remain instable so we can continue to exploit them.

if they legalize drugs around the world then yes, yes they do.

if drugs are legal, the druglords can just sue people or groups messing with their business, thus negating a need for violence.

Unfortunately the most evil explanation is the truest.

>attributing incompetence and hubris to some sort of long-play master plan

apply occam's razor nigger

Yeah just like we still have a moonshine problem after ending prohibition!

Wait...

legalize=/=commercialize.

MILLIONS

theyre not muslims, they dont have oil, and the drug trade fuels capitalism in the US. millions of jobs revolve around people being hopelessly addicted to cocaine or whatever other shit gets shipped from south america.

but in magical bizarro world where we want to invade mexico to stop criminals, no, they are more organized and much more established than the towelheads we've been fighting for the last 50 years. but they do it for money so who knows, theyre not fighting for nationalism or religion, and theyre very aware they are criminals and not some kind of righteous freedom warrior

Yes. By killing all humanoids between Texas and Antarctica

Yes, if genocide was allowed. Otherwise no.

Probably not, in their efforts to destroy the cartels the military would probably end up alienating the local populace (who are unhappy at the foreign intervention anyway), thus transforming the cartels into some kind of para military organisation.

>Could the US military realistically eliminate the mexican/south american cartels?
Yes, but it is out of the realms of the US military (or American Govt).

>Jow Forumsids unironically believe this

Crime is down brah while incarceration’s have gone up. Not my fault people want to act like degenerates and then get tossed in a cage.

There's a saying in Counterinsurgency that you're only as strong as the government you represent.

In Afghanistan, we're representing Afghanistan, which is why it's so hard to make any real progress. We can clear out the Taliban, but the Afghan government is incapable of filling the power vacuum.

Sure, just legalize drugs, remove CIA funding and start producing domestically. We'd out-compete them within a year.

They produce in tons. It comes across the border in smaller amounts.

Any military an eliminate cartels, hell the mexican military can kill take them all down. Problem is if anyone just mows through a bunch of civilians, youre gonna look fucking bad.

>cocaine is a white middle clas drug

Hey, shithead, have you ever heard of something called crack? It's the drug of choice of nigs and mexifries, and you make it with cocaine.

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Yeah, that's the exact opposite of what actually happens.

>Represent the Mexican govt

That won't end well

Yes, full scale conventional warfare would be the only 100% guaranteed.

Destruction of the country's infrastructure through precision strikes. Break their spirits by carpet bombing any city that they hide in. Full military push through the lands. Burn crops. Kill their sons, sell off their daughters.

Modern nations dont want to fight wars like that anymore though.

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> Making cartels legit
And now they can invest in dispensaries, lobby government, finance political campaign and get their guy elected. You've given them control of your country just because you couldn't muster the strength to say no to beaners.

nope

We can't completely get rid of the mob or Hells Angels. What makes you think we can stop an international gang like MS-13 with tens of thousands of members worldwide.

He did answer the question. Why are you sperging out? Do you not like the idea that the cartels wouldn't be relevant without the US?

The US does actually have a moonshine problem tho.

Except it's still cheaper on the street. Friend of the family got his prescription for marijuana using his lovely little card. Hundreds of dollars at a dispensary got him what you could buy on the street for not even A hundred. It's a rip-off.
Just regulate the quality, and stop jacking up the price. Otherwise people will go right back to the street dealer.

*A regulatory problem

Let white trash drink methanol contaminated swill.

The Mexicans tried it but their elite units were just bought by the cartels. Want them to get some seals or whatever special units will show up as well?

>Victimless
I'm the child of a coke/crack addict father, and my regularly beaten mother (before she divorced him and got a restraining order) and I would disagree, asshole.

>Make the drugs legal
>Suddenly you can buy them at a dispensary anywhere in the country
Yeah, weed and maybe cocaine will be legalized. No one is ever legalizing heroin or meth so let's keep our solutions operating inside the real world.

So the cartels still maintain a black market for the drugs that aren't legalized and continue to exist. Or let's say everything is legalized. It's still going to have a 20% sin tax on it so cartels can still undercut the legal drugs.

It's like you don't even know about all the black markets for perfectly legal items that already exist in the US, like alcohol and tobacco.

>The US military has been trying to fight the same group of illiterate farmers with outdated equipment for decades
And been kicking the shit out of them every time they get into a fight. The issue isn't the fighting capabilities of the military, it's reaching a political solution that makes people not want to fight the Taliban.

Retards like you can't seem to grasp the difference though and somehow think that lack of a political solution = incompetent military that can't fight its way out of a bag.

Also this:

>bro just arrest him for beating you and your mom
>bro that's already illegal the coke had nothing to do with it lol
This is the kind of reply you're going to get because addicts and lolbertarians can excuse anything.

I know. It's why I'd put all the fucking addicts to the axe, if I could.
Hard drugs, alcohol, nicotine... Fucking weak disgusting addicts should all die.

Guns are legal, yet a massive black market gun trade exists.

Fuck off, druggie. Your garbage is staying illegal.

>Things that infringe on other peoples rights are the same as things that only concern the person doing it!

It isn't anyone else's fault that your mother had no self respect.

>inb4 edgy

Does it make you mad that western society is entirely opposed to your world view? Get fucked, faggot.

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>alcohol, nicotine
Not even nuclear intervention could stop those.

See you're on the other end of the spectrum now. Nicotine doesn't alter your mental state to the point that you're violent or willing to kill someone over a can of copenhagen. Alcohol is fine in moderation but does alter people's mental states when consumed in large quantities. Trust me dude, I used to work security for a bar on the weekend in my early 20's and I hate drunks as much as most people but even they're not representative of most people who drink alcohol.

There's no "moderate" dose of meth or heroin or crack.

>person beats spouse
>zomg they had no self respect, it's their fault!
user even said she got rid of the dude. How about you not assume stupid shit?
Fucking retard.

Haha yeah republicans care about us fuck those dems xD MAGA my fellow pede

The mexicans had the same idea not long ago: fight them with the military. The result was a lot of violence and even more powerful cartels because others came to fill the power vacuum. In certain cases, some cartels would actually work with the federales by giving them tips of rival gang's stashes just so they themselves could gain power. Add to that intense corruption of members of the government and military, and the situation has become a lot worse than it was in the 80s, where the approach was more 'hands-off.'

Jesus, OP, haven't you watched Sicario?

Meth was legal for decades and praised for raising your energy, lowering hunger and all kinds of other stuff. It's even still legal in North Korea.

To be clear, I detest substance abusers specifically. A glass of wine or a cigar is nothing. Requiring a pint or a pack a day is an issue. When your dependence on something is so great that it affects your ability to maintain your state of living, your mental state when you lack your addictive substance shit, and those affect people you need to care for, you're too far gone to save.
Reformed addicts, I have no issue with. They got off the shit and are trying to fix the damage.

Yes, destroy the entirety of Mexico... That'll work. Put down the crack pipe you've been smoking, proudly supplied to you from Mexico.

Fuck off buddy SOME republicans care about us, literally no democrats with any power do