Why can't the p90 be made without the rubber pad and called a pistol?
The stuff behind the grip is just for the action, no different than the tube on an AR pistol.
Why can't the p90 be made without the rubber pad and called a pistol?
Aiden Miller
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Owen Butler
no that is where the action and trigger is in the p90 the ar it is just the spring and buffer
Hudson Phillips
Can't be a pistol because front grip.
Can't be a "firearm" because under 26" OAL.
It would just be an AOW instead of an SBR.
Grayson White
Because the ATF hates you.
Chase Adams
Just get a Calico
Charles Morales
Dominic Jackson
The whole ATF is retarded.
A short rifles a handgun and a handgun with a stock is a rifle?
Benjamin Wood
Does that matter?
Are you saying the buffer tube isn't part of the action?
Brayden Gomez
are you trying to prove my point for me?
Juan Wilson
This is what happens when legislators try to legally define categories of weapons based on individual features.
Elijah Adams
OOOOH, you're saying the main grip is a VFG, I thought you mean the trigger guard is a VFG.
Aiden Anderson
Well, I mean that's still a $5 tax stamp instead of a $200 tax stamp right? Is there any difference in regulation with regards to state lines and transporting in vehicle etc..?
Jeremiah Lewis
Because ATF says so.
Brody Brooks
Yes
Gabriel Morgan
no, the $5 aow stamp is IN ADDITION to a $200 tax stamp
Bentley Murphy
thank you :)
Daniel Cruz
No it isn't.
Lincoln Gonzalez
if youre transferring an aow to you ($5 stamp) or making an aow ($200 stamp)
Benjamin Fisher
What if you just toss the front grip? It's just a piece of plastic.
Julian Reyes
Honestly yeah, get rid of the rubber pad and the front grip and it basically becomes a pistol. It's just that FN or whoever the fuck manufactures these hasn't bothered to do that.
Benjamin White
makes sense to me
Colton Bennett
no, any grip in front of the receiver will be a front grip. So you'd have to fill in the hole so that you can't put your thumb behind it kind of like how they cheat AR pistol grips in Commiefornia. You could still hold on to it but at some point you have to ask if it's worth the trouble.
Asher Harris
I mean, you would have a small 50 round "pistol" with red dot that you could keep as a truck gun and even conceal carry under a jacket with a concealed handgun permit so maybe, idk.
Nicholas Perry
Well, it's the same piece of plastic as the whole rest of the stock. So you gotta make whole new molds for both sides of the stock -- doable, but a lot more expensive than just making a "totally-not-a-buttplate" with whatever straps/pegs/armgrabbers sticking out the side to replace the rubber pad.
Jayden Price
Nah, that's not how it works.
The relevant definition is:
>A weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having
>(a) a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and
>(b) a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s).
Whether the short stock is in front of the action or behind it doesn't matter -- what matters is that it's designed to be fired with one hand, not two (which, per ATF, means no VFG, but AFGs and conventional foreends are somehow okay) and that the main grip should not be inline with the bore (which is why pen-guns can't be pistols, and thus are AOWs, even if not actually disguised as a pen).
Samuel Hughes
Wasn't this sold as a pistol tho?
Lucas Phillips
Yeah I mean, who doesn't want to make the gun worse right
Gabriel Russell
Calling the p90 concealable is a joke and you know it.
Wyatt Long
What if, you build an AR57 in pistol configuration?
Liam Johnson
Nobody wants something that you basically need to shoulder, but can't legally. If you cut away the bottom bits behind the grip and put an arm brace there, that'd make more sense. Or just do this
Nicholas Flores
Sure you can do that, but with no bullpuppery, you don't get the P90's small size relative to barrel length. To match the P90's 20" OAL, you're looking at what, a 6" barrel? Shitty FiveSeven velocities? And you'll have to make a different magazine retaining system, and chop at least one magazine for reduced capacity, since full-length mags will now stick forward of the muzzle.
No thanks; if you want a non-NFA, 5.7x28 firearm to conceal it under a jacket, you're better off dct-taping a sig brace to a FiveSeven.
>basically need to shoulder, but can't legally
Welcome to 2018, where we can legally shoulder braces again.
Luis Rivera
God that thing is disgusting
Grayson Johnson
I was just saying that it needs a brace to shoulder it, read the post you reply to next time retard.
Blake Fisher
oh dear jesus
John Martin
They are awful. But there are some decent alternatives. Once you get over the muscle memory, this option is quite good.
Austin Jones
thats a sexy picture
Asher Perry
yes. calico also has a pistol bulpup so the idea isnt without precedent
Brody Bailey
>the p90 be made without the rubber pad and called a pistol?
it already is!
Sebastian Bailey
lewd
Nolan Wilson
>It would just be an AOW instead of an SBR.
No, it wouldn't be. AOWs can't have rifled barrels. The purpose of the AOW definition was to prevent people from skirting the SBS definition by chopping off the stock.
Jackson Sullivan
Jace Scott
>doesn't even read 5845(e) and then links to ATF bullshit
Ok bub.
Wyatt Martinez
OP should stfu, P90 is a peak carabine as it is.
Thomas Torres
because as
and
show, if you remove "The stuff behind the grip" you would lose your fire control group, and ejection port
Dylan Bell
No, you haven't read it, you illiterate moron. You may have looked long and hard at the letters, but reading implies you understood what they say, and you clearly don't.
(I linked the ATF stuff because it has pictures, and I anticipated you might have trouble with just words.)
You also haven't read 5845(a), or you'd notice that "weapon made from a shotgun" already covers anything made
>by chopping off the stock
So there goes that bullshit.
But if you want to have one more go at 5845(e), let's go through it together. I'll try to go slowly so you can sound out all the words.
>(e) Any other weapon
>means any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive,
Do you see "must not be rifled" there? no, you fucking don't; it definitely includes any P90-like firearm.
>a pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell,
not relevant
>weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading,
not relevant
>and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire.
not relevant
But we're not done yet. Perhaps there's an exception for anything that's rifled?
>Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores
Oh no, that only exempts rifled pistols and revolvers -- and since a braced P90 doesn't meet the definition of pistol or revolver, it doesn't fucking count.
>or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition.
not relevant
Do you get it now?
Blake Gutierrez
uhhh,lewd!
Jose Myers
You're suggesting that the receiver is inside the plastic housing and not the plastic housing?
Christopher Nelson
look at the xray. There is important shit in the stock, including the fcg. That stands for fire control group, for you noguns.
Eli Gonzalez
Yeah man but the receiver is like the thing that like, receives the fcg.
Jackson Cook
Lewd X-ray
Gabriel Campbell
But hwhy OP?
Just...hwhy?
Brayden Green
so you wouldn't need the 16" barrel dummy