Strong Europe Tank Challenge 2018

>Less Germans born
>Less Gemans go to the army
>Gets staffed with non Germans
>Loses
Welp
>Pickelhaube
>Austrian
Ayo

This competition just shows that European tank crews are better trained than US tank crews.

>Maybe they aren't the weakest then you dumb fuck

Haha.

Austria has 50~ tanks. France has 400~. Germany has 400~. The USA has almost 6,000.

why?

I really doubt that they are, though. The military culture of the EU countries has been completely erased and replaced by a pro-diversity LGBTQ admin force which spends most of its time looking for ways to cut the defense budget.

Also, 1 crew in 1 competition doesn't tell us anything about the hundreds of other crews that a nation needs to actually conduct a war.

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leopard win

>USA
>Ukraine
Stronk Europe, my ass

Quantity and quality and all that.

>The military culture of the EU countries has been completely erased and replaced by a pro-diversity LGBTQ admin force which spends most of its time looking for ways to cut the defense budget.

that has absolutely nothing to do with training good trank crews.

> Also, 1 crew in 1 competition doesn't tell us anything about the hundreds of other crews that a nation needs to actually conduct a war.

That's not the point, it's to see which army has the best tank training, so you train tank crews and send the best to this competition.
Country X wins and every one looks at how X does stuff and if it can be used to improve training.
It's just a game with some practical use

Ukraine's west of the Ural mountains. The US, uhm, well, I guess they're there to provide a point of comparison.

>The military culture of the EU countries has been completely erased and replaced by a pro-diversity LGBTQ admin force
No. And budget isn't everything.

No such Europe.

UK is slated to lose, it'll be interesting to see how agile the Leclerc actually is compared to the Leo 2, as well as see how well the Abrams will do in a race. Needs more slavs participating.

Why do euroboos embarrass themselves like this?

European countries have a team of crews basically trained just for this comp, vs US crews which are largely just pulled from US Army In Europe with training for combat readiness. Still, unlike some countries this is still a practical competition and not just a pretty show for propaganda

Try winning for once, then we can talk

>Slavs
Why not Baltics or Iberians?

>west of the Ural mountains
The country inhabited by Slav/Turks rapebabies can not counts as Europe.

Why are ameriboos so bad at damage control?

>that has absolutely nothing to do with training good trank crews.

um yeah that was kinda his point. the EU is too busy wasting time housing muslims and excusing rapes to train an actual military force.

britain has a single operational armored brigade, and 1 carrier (with no planes). the german air force has 10 operational fighter craft. france has no bombs for its ground-attack aircraft.

the list goes on and on, my friend. you ignore these facts at your own peril.

Haha Europe has never won a war of any kind. It doesn't count as winning when you bomb your own cities into dust. If killing yourself counted as winning then every soccer match would begin with a mass suicide.

Are you really this much of an idiot?

Every year has had European tank crews win against U.S. ones.
>sure is embarrasing bud..

has america ever won a war without being allied with someone?

Oops you're right, I got it wrong, Germany only has 4 planes

arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/05/germanys-typhoon-problem-only-four-fighters-can-be-made-combat-ready/

britain only has 156 tanks (all of which are shit, because they're shitty british tanks lol)

independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-army-reduced-to-one-single-tank-regiment-9644238.html

some european countries have no tanks at all because they sold them to pay for more refugees.

upi.com/Finland-buying-Dutch-tanks/92131389801407/

I expect the exact same results as last time. US winning gunnery, target acquisition and urban C3, and most likely doing poor on the dismount stuff. Expect UK to do well in Urban C3 due to them being in Iraq doing that. France should probably place middle to upper middle.

No Denmark, so probably Germany or Austria winning overall due to dismount stuff and camo and solid overall stuff.

Oh, and lots of retarded shitposting no matter what.

What's surprising about SET is that there's no night events. I thought the old CAT at least had night driving?

>planes are tanks

nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/get-ready-russia-germany-expanding-its-tank-forces-by-40-20639

>the Bundeswehr is expanding its tank fleet by over 40 percent, from 225 to 320 main battle tanks.

320 tanks is the size of a single Russian armored regiment lmfao

Throwing money at something doesn't make it better automatically fucko

Why no Denmark this year? Disappointing.

>tfw russia has 20,000 tanks and you have less than a thousand combined yet you still go on the internet to make fun of americans

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are you fucking new to the world? Nato always had a smaller number of tanks than russia, because they doctrine is a having fewer, but better tanks with better trained crews.

God you are a fucking tard

>The military culture of the EU countries has been completely erased and replaced by a pro-diversity LGBTQ admin force which spends most of its time looking for ways to cut the defense budget.
Source: Jow Forums and your feelings

Mean while in the real world European military culture seems to produce tank crews that are more than capable. No, one competition is not a way of acurately determaning this, but it's the only data we have on the performance of U.S. vs. EU tankers. And that data shows the latter comming out on top so far in 2 out of 2 challenges held. (and before someone spergs about bias remember that it is the U.S army who hosts the Tank Challenge.

The sheer amount of butthurt allready present in this thread is a sure sign that someone is having a hard time accepting reality.

>they doctrine is to lose WW3

haha

>Source: Jow Forums and your feelings

Hahahaha...do you really not know about the EU defense budget? You're acting like you're an expert but you don't even know the most basic facts about it.

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I'm taking the long odds on the Leclerc. Shame Italy isn't participating.

>britain has a single operational armored brigade, and 1 carrier (with no planes). the german air force has 10 operational fighter craft. france has no bombs for its ground-attack aircraft.
"My military understanding is from sensationalist news articles and not from understanding force structure or force availability"

The EU does not have a "defense budget" like a state nation does. There's no standing EU military force.

nah, American soldiers will die for us. Just like the last two times

I know the facts tho. Yes military bugdets in European countries have been lowered in the years presentet in your graphs (until 2013). They have been on the rise from 2014 till present.
Your claim was that "the military culture of the EU countries has been completely erased and replaced by a pro-diversity LGBTQ admin force which spends most of its time looking for ways to cut the defense budget"

So please enlighten me with the facts about this pro-diversity LGBTQ admin force and how their job is to cut budget. You can't because you have from Jow Forums or from nowhere.

But then again why are you even bringing bugdets up? This whole thread and the post that you originally replied to at are about the quality of the tankers. It seems like trying to avoid that when you then begin to talk about bugdets instead. Does it somhow hurt you that the U.S. didn't come out at #1? Bacuse that would be the most logical conclusion

In France we have tank crews who train literally all year because they play the OPFOR in antitank exercises with pretty much every infantry unit. Lower budget means less quantity but it doesn't mean worse training

us tankers are too busy being trained for dismounted patrolling and people interaction and shit in the mideast to get gud at real tanker stuff anymore

Because I like the way that they paint their tanks all festive like and Warsaw Pact/NATO measuring. If Russia could swallow their pride they could use the opportunity to even iron out some of the kinks. Seeing Pizza/Iberian tanks running would be nice I suppose, but there isn't anything special about their vehicles.

get real

Optimal tank build

>last years results
>incomplete list

When was the last time your country won something?

Austrian MPs wore Pickelhauben

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>shitty british tanks lol
You do realise that the bongs designed and invented the armour for the M1A2? We lost 24 M1s in the Persian Gulf War, the Brits didn't lose a single Chally 1.

That depends, if you look at the German army it's partly true but the Austrian army still carries on its Imperial tradition.

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Is this the first time the UK has taken part?

How come the Marines don't get to send a team? And you have to think US Army twinks stationed in Europe are among the least motivated soldiers on Earth.

>The military culture of the EU countries has been completely erased and replaced by a pro-diversity LGBTQ admin force

everything you know about the world you learned from Jow Forums memes, good to know.

>You do realise that the bongs designed and invented the armour for the M1A2

Except that’s wrong.

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>3 Leopards
Why though?

Sorry, meant A1.
below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.com/2016/03/chobham-armor-facts-and-fiction-1.html

You mean 4.

The A1 was when Burlington stopped being used.

>none of these tanks have tea making facility's.
Challenger wins by default.

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It's weird reading these threads with Eurofags in them and seeing the delusion set in. Your young demographics are even worse than Muttistan. At least the burgerfats have guns and free speech.

Does the US actually send its "best" tank crews to these competitions. I just know in Red Flag the US sends normal operational squadrons while many other countries send their most experienced elite pilots in order to "win".

Spanish-American War and the Pacific Front of WWII

Challenger's main problems are mobility, visibility and the quality of the ammunition.

Accuracy and speed of the gun is fine really, and it might do alright at straight up gunnery if it's not disadvantaged by having no thermal for the CITV - which depends on the scenarios designed by the hosts
There will probably be no test in the scenario that can accurately show the shortcomings of its KE ammunition.
It'll probably be fucked most on mobility challenges.

>Manlet
>Shoulders rolled forward
>Bull neck
>Sausage fingers
Definitely a loader. I'm surprised they let him out of his cage.

There is no such thing as elite tankers in nato countries.

It costs money to ship 4 tanks and their crews to southern Germany and they participated in another event earlier this year.

Do the Bongs have a chance of winning? Have they ever competed before, peaked my interest.

They used to compete in the old CAT, they haven't participated in Strong Europe though.

No. Sending your best defeats the purpose. If they wanted to win, they'd send OPFOR to everything as they get to do large operational exercises 5-6 times a year and thus are the most experienced.

What delusion? People are discussing their thoughts of the 2018 results and those of the two past tank challenges. The rage comes from angry americans that have a hard time accepting that EU crews are doing good in these.

>Europe not javing free speech
You know that is being measured right? (spoiler: European countries take 15 of the top 20 spots including 1. to 5. place in freedom of press)

rsf.org/en/ranking

worldatlas.com/articles/countries-of-the-world-by-degree-of-press-freedom.html

>Challenger's main problems are mobility

You realise Leo 2, CR2 and M1A2 all have pretty much the same offroad speed?

>Felgendarmerie
Interesting, which timeline?
I think the last time was in 1983 but they lost iirc and didn't take part since then.

Piqued, retard.

Deliberate misrepresentation. For every American casualty in Korea (90% of UN contingent or more), SK suffered two, NK suffered between three and four, and China suffered five. If that's not winning idk what is. Military figures only btw

>If that's not winning idk what is
That's why the US """"won"""" in Vietnam.

>That's not the point, it's to see which army has the best tank training, so you train tank crews and send the best to this competition.

Nobody changes their doctrine or training because of these events, if they did than every CAT would have had massive impact as it was a much longer and more thorough competition. You also had Leopard 1's and M60s placing pretty well all the way into the 80s.

>at CAT '83
>C Co 2/66 Armor surprised the competition by placing with its old M60A1 tanks, which used optical rangefinder technology from the World War II era. This showed the value of local course knowledge over pure technology.

What these events are for is to build esprit de corps more than anything.

Isonzo Front WW1 1915/16 heres the entire picture

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CR2 can't even get above 18 hp/ton

I mean it was a cease fire, so no one really won I suppose. The U.S. couldn't be bothered to go back 2 years later when the North took the south

Pacific front wasn't won by the USA alone and neither was the Spanish-American war.

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Military victory, diplomatic defeat. The watergate scandal was what pushed the favor into the Commies hand and they invaded south Vietnam without US intervention.

And yet training standards across the board for the US are below par compared to European counterparts, especially in terms of infantry. The irony in your post is that america has forces too large to focus on everyone being well trained, whereas other NATO nations are much smaller but much better trained. Many american military anons have said as much when theyve cross trained with the brits or the french.

They haven't competed at these kind of events for a while, they had a really embarrassing set of scores some years ago, and then pretty much stopped going for fear of further embarrassment and demoralisation.