SS <<<<< Wehrmacht, prove me wrong

>Wasn't the SS basically a glorified security service?
Sicherheitsdienst was

>Die Wacht am Rhein plays softly

And the last one is the one doing the winning. Shows you how far "racial purity" gets you, I guess.

>winning
What has the Federal Republic of Germany won?

>I w- was only pre-pretending to be retarded!

shh dont try talkin sense into a shitskin

>you hate yourself
>a shadow of your former glory
>bitch boy for the US, who even before all this multi-racial shit did fine
>psuedo-US “EU” failing horribly
Sure

Wehrmacht was your classic conscript army, with 3-6 months of boot camp. Waffen SS were volunteers (although this changed as the war progressed and new recruits were pushed in) with a training of just a few weeks. They were essentially Marines; meant for cannon fodder. Eventually they too grew armor and artillery.

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Your right. Wehrmacht was greater.
T.Biased greatgrandson of Wehrmacht soldier

Although the swastika comes from Hindu culture it was a common symbol in the West until Hitler and ww2. If I remember right Hitler got it from his childhood church which had it on it, or so I've heard.

I think most people historically literate people can respect the Wehrmacht.

The first leg of the Cold War

SD was the security service, SS was the party's military since wehrmacht had very long non-political traditions where they are loyal to the country instead of the ruler or ruling party. Waffen-SS was the combat arms and the quality varied, they had some actual elite units, IIRC Waffen-SS had one of the highest mortality rates for their troops.

Wehrmacht = war makers, i.e., the armed forces. Wehrmacht included the Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine.

Heer = the land army. Heermann = regular soldier.

Point for actually mentioning Diebitsch and Heck, not perpetuating the idea that Hugo Boss designed the uniforms.

The SS was something massive that goes far beyond simply labeling "Elite soldiers" or "Overly aggressive and idealistic conscripts/murderers".
They were a political security unit, a military branch, an intelligence service, death squads and camp guards, a police force, and a legal authority that was only accountable to itself. I don't think there's really been any other organization given such a massive scope and left to its own devices.

Well, except for the US Marines?

>collective punishment because one dumbass got a DUI
Hardly unaccountable.

commie

>culturally appropriates ancient indial symbols

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The Marines are under the Department of the Navy and accountable to the federal government and to the laws of the US.
The SS had its own laws and even enforcing some of those was done on a selective basis. If Himmler liked someone then they wouldn't be punished.

Well, if Mattis likes someone I'm pretty sure their errors would be considered in a gentle light as well. My point was that the Marines are as complex an organization as the SS and self-policing to the same degree.

Coverups and favoritism are one thing, and they do exist in many organizations, though they can end up getting exposed and punished by a whistleblower. I know people don't always get punished, for a variety of reasons. The Marines are a dedicated fighting force; you don't see them writing law, looking up the ancestry of people, trying to prove superiority/inferiority of people or groups, taking funds and resources to go on expeditions looking for ruins in other nations, or providing farming lessons to people in preparation for giving them land that was confiscated from enemies.

>accountable to itself
Take it from someone who was in the US Navy; the USMC is frequently lorded over by the Navy.

>SS dressing in edgy skulls
>not knowing that the Totenkopf originates from 1800s Prussian Hussars, literally the ballsiest motherfuckers in Western Europe at the time

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It had a heroic meaning when worn by Panzertruppen or even Waffen-SS tankers. That was invoking the spirit of the Hussars.
All the other SS wearing skulls did was was make the tankers try to rip their own emblems off at the end of the war because they didn't want to be confused with the SS groups that were running around murdering people.

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>And the last one is the one doing the winning.

>under foreign occupation for last 75 years with no end in sight is winning now

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The ATF?

Really? US Marines of WW2 considered the Japs to be subhumans. That's how they could make Jap body part souvenirs so common that Roosevelt himself had step in and discourage it. Not to mention making rape of civilian women a routine operation. Or the routine practice of killing wounded and surrendering Japs rather than taking prisoners. Oh, you thought the miniscule number of Jap prisoners was because they all died in harakiris?

Either way this is stupid. Nobody said the Marines are carbon copies of the SS - regardless of the peculiar shape of their headquarters *snerk*. All *I* said is that they are a huge and diverse military structure, operating independently of the regular Army in spite of being on the same side. In that, then, they are operating outside the frame in the same way the SS were operating outside the frame of the Wehrmacht.

I'll cede to that.

And it feels good we did

Also, Bundeswehr

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> aristocratic background

Not in the SS. Aristocrats went for the regular army.

>Jebus gets the super pinwheel
Nice

funny how the actual nazis didn't call it a fate wheel or flyknot, but the sanskrit name. I know those neo nazi types use vaulknots and sun wheels and all the other stuff, but that's clearly so they dont wear brand name swazika's.

Nazisum is kinda silly if you know anything about actual history they try to appropriate.
>we wuz vikings and shit
>the russ are mud people

A military question Jow Forums, in matters of state, did a SS officer have say over even generals in the Wehrmacht?

Generally, no. The SS got their battle orders based on what the Heer was doing and if paired up then the army officers would lead. There are some cases of SS commanders having Heer soldiers under their command, but that came down to them having more experience than the army NCOs.
Although for other matters such as dealing with partisans and groups to be corralled/transported/eliminated, the SS operated on their own chain of command for orders. The Wehrmacht advanced and captured the land, the SS solidified the hold on it.

Thanks user!

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Spotted the Jew.

No problem. It's kind of a hard question to give a definite answer to because the two forces are very different. Tactically, things ended up being led by whoever had the most experience or best idea to approach a situation. Operationally, it was the Wehrmacht who made the plans and issued orders.

SS have cooler uniforms, interesting variation of units and ethnic groups, cooler insignia and some of the most renowned units of the war

using the all black uniform to represent them is a cop out

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OH NO NO NO NO NO

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

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Damnit feels good to be better than europoors everywhere everytime anytime all the time.

Good God, the fucking looks on those kids' faces. Hollow, empty, desperate, angry... No one should like like that when they're that young.

>Russians beat them all
Ftfy

Japs were asking for it

fpbp
>Heermann = regular soldier
You what, m8?

Gee Christians how come Jesus let's you have 5 pinwheels?

>tfw Imperial Germany came so close to taking Paris and winning the war in 1914
>tfw nazi autism ensured that any Imperial restoration or return of rightful German territories will now never happen
>tfw you will never sacrifice yourself für thron und reich

Heil dir im Siegerkranz > Was ist des Deutschen Vaterland >>> Die Wacht am Rhein >>>>>>>> Deutschlandlied

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Better?

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The one at the end reminds me of someone

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>volunteers

What has west Germany won? It's literally a foreign occupation government backed by a massive contingent of American troops.

Germany had fuck all to do with "winning" the cold war. It was just clay for the (((burgers))).

Any communist party in any communist state. The PLA is literally a branch of the party, for example, not a state organization. People often forget that in the Soviet Union, for example, the guy who was head honcho at any time was not the president, or prime minister, or head of parliament, but the general secretary of the party.

One party states blur the line between state and party hierarchy and roles.

The point was that the Indians were the only ones to maintain tight adherence to a culturally Aryan thing. The vedas were written by the proto indo European groups and hitlers whole meme was that Germans were the most racially pure when it came to not inter mixing and diluting their Aryan genes. That's why he and many members of the party embraced that imagery.

Sicherheitsdiesnt means security service, but it was more like a party intelligence safety. The party security dudes who were responsible for protecting assemblies and meetings were the SA, from which the SS emerged as Hitlers personal guard, but that all is just in the really early stages and it did a ton of other stuff in the latter years.

The Swastika was never called Swastika by the nazis you idiot, the german name is basically "hooked cross".

>DDR
You mean modern Germany?

Fuck no, DDR is East Germany. BRD would be an extension of West Germany.

Fun fact about that movie, they did absolutely HORRIBLE shit to that kid, so much so that he never acted again.

>not getting the joke
Modern Germany is run by a East German, spys on it's own people, arrests thought criminals, and is socialist as fuck.

Wouldn't mind a constitutional monarchy with one of the Hohenzollern at the helm. Hopefully he would sack Merkel and all the other traitors and guide us back to patriotism and militarism.

Merkel is West German though. Born in Hamburg.

A sasquatch asked for this.

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SS´s political point of view (basicly it was armed wing of NatSoc party) affected in its actions. They had a pretty fearsome reputation because SS soldiers were trained to fought till the bitter end. They were trained much more fanatical than wehrmacht. Some SS divisions were described as a elite groups in regural combat like LSSAH, Wiking and Das Reich. And they were elite because these groups were trained properly.

But there was also so called shit tier corps in SS like Hitler-Jugend (emergency force in 1944) and Handschar (anti-partisan corps).

If you are interested to know more about SS fanatical side and its affects to tactics, I suggest you read about SS Div. Totenkopf's operation when they recovered its fallen (Eicke) commanders body in Belarus 1943.

The transliteration would be Defense Practitioners you goon.

thanks for ruining the world dude

Imperial Germany=Nazi Germany

ftfy. Krautism stays Krautism.

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being paramilitary also means they didnt have the same arms deals as the regular army,so they have all this ragtag gear, you usually see SS with stuff like MP 28s and Chauchats or whatnot.

Even as a joke, Imperial Germany got shit done.

Granted, this was mostly Bismark being Bismark but that still counts.

She was raised in East Germany, she's commie af

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>people calling the head of the Christian conservative party socialist.

Why are burgers geopolitically illiterate.

Germany (and Europe as a whole) heavily leans left. Even a relatively cucky basic bitch GOP dude would be considered a right-wing extremist there.

At least they knew when they're outmatched and surrender.

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This. youtu.be/4ztOV2wrrkY

US of A >>>>>> Hun niggers

>Hindu
>Swastika inside star of david
what did they mean by this?

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EVEN WE HATE JEWS

It is always funny to me how the Americans make believe they were the ones fighting down the SS.

Even if we hadn't ever set foot in Europe, American intervention was instrumental to winning the war.

How you vatniks and chest puffing brits collectively forgot about the lend-lease never stops amazing me.

>How you vatniks and chest puffing brits collectively forgot about the lend-lease never stops amazing me.

Funny, before Hitler declared war on US they were allegedly neutral

That didn't stop us from putting guns, food, and pretty much every single other form of wartime supply into the hands of everyone from China to the Soviets to the British.

Maybe we know about the lendlease. And about the 40.000 trucks Ford sold to the Germans, too. But it does not make any difference. Soviet soldiers fought and killed most of the SS forces, as well s Yugoslavian ones. American and British forces finished off a few ersatz units that were so ruined that they had been moved to the west to be rebuilt from scratch. With kids still wearing their Hitlerjugend buttons, barely recuperated wounded and polish slave workers for support units. But well done finishing off those guys!

>USA lapdog
>lots of self-hating
>joke military
>no nuclear weapons
>ageing population because your women chose to be whores instead of wives
>''Achmed is my best friend''
>winning
Germany is literally never becoming relevant ever again on the world stage apart from breaking records for rapes in your largest cities.

Other than the fact that Germany dominates the EU and the European economy you mean?

More Virgin & Chad.

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