Israel’s specialty and combat vehicle producer Carmor unveils the Mantis at Eurosatory 2018. The vehicle to be displayed at the defense exhibition in Paris next week is the first variant of a new family of vehicles designed to perform combat and combat support missions.
To meet higher levels of protection required by the users the company optimized the design to provide both ballistic and blast protection while maintaining high agility and retain adequate payload capacity at a gross vehicle weight below eight tons. The vehicle’s size and weight enable tactical air mobility in C-130 Hercules and A-400M transport aircraft. With such characteristics, Carmor positions the Mantis to offer JLTV class performance at an affordable cost.
The IDF could build an outhouse and the thing would have walls half a foot thick. They LOVE armoring things.
Xavier Ortiz
Looks cool. Also, pointless.
Jayden Cooper
Is the gunner tethered to anything? Looks like he would get thrown off pretty easily.
Jaxon Parker
>armed and armored >rubber tires Dumb.
Brody Gutierrez
>IDF >not drowned in olive green paint from day one I’m calling shenanigans.
Jordan Ross
Jesus Harold Christ that is absolutely disgusting. Look at that fucking formation. You call that standing at attention? Some toes together, some apart, that frumpy kike bitch has her foot bent all up to the side, pants all wrinkled some of them half down to the feet. Shirts all open at the collar, half of them wearing different colored undershirts, what the fuck is that idiot woman doing with her beret literally plopped on top of her hair. That fat fuck has his belt all loose, fucking mouth breather in the back, some heads turned, some heads straight, pocket flaps all beat to shit, earring in her fucking ear, that other jewess in the middle has a goddamn mustache. A MUSTACHE. What in the blue FUCK is going on here? Where your their fucking NCO? Get your sorry chewed up asses in that dirt and beat your fucking faces till I get tired. What in the fuck am I looking at right now?
Jason Young
It's only the display model.
Isaiah Green
so what, its one of those 4-wheeler hunting golf carts with some aluminum siding and a machine gun on top?
Anthony Scott
Easily overcome armor is often worse than no armor.
Camden Brooks
seriously why should just do what iran does and have dirt-bike mounted RPG teams.
Dont Forget that Israel has conscription. Everybody serves for a little bit unless they’re Palestinian or ultra-orthodox men in seminaries.
Angel Lee
Stop making up animals.
Jeremiah Nguyen
The gun is remote-controlled from inside.
Joshua King
Seems like a few nations are investing in stuff like this. The Victory Day parade in Moscow was showing lightweight vehicles like that. It's not all about tanks and large calibers weapons.
Christopher Campbell
>It's not all about tanks and large calibers weapons.
you're right, its all about drones and fancy missiles.
Ayden Johnson
fuck off ahmed stop derailing every thread with your butthurt
It's hard not to invent things when you have the US as a paypiggy.
Kevin Scott
Jesus...
I could maybe see this fairing quite well in dense urban, hit-and-run scenarios. Beyond that, no. Just, stop.
Ryan Fisher
How would this thing probably against a 10kg TNT anti tank mine?
Easton Nguyen
fuck me I officially feel old. When I was leaving the military I heard that this tech was close to being implemented but haven't paid much attention since. Are Turret gunners a soon-to-be thing of the past?
1. The Israelis had operational examples of this tech as far back as 2002 during op Protective Shield. By their 2009 op in Gaza it was spotted in abundance. 2. Don't think manned turrets will be completely obsolete; they're way cheaper, don't require any extra maintenance, are more reliable, and most importantly- they offer far greater field of view and orientation in space (remember, "remote" means looking at a tiny screen that shows a narrow view from a camera). In fact, those are the reasons why the US and Israel still pick and choose where to install them the remote turrets.
Fuck you dude don't you know the IDF is all ripped alphas and literal 10/10 gun toting cuties?
Luke Taylor
>finest >mandatory service
Hunter Rivera
can we ever have a jew guns & co thread without it getting derailed?
Anthony Young
>theyre conscripts not an excuse
Elijah Brooks
>Be me inna Afghanistan >In MRAP, engaging hajjis with remote 240 from safety of armored vehicle >240 jams >"Pvt user, go out and clear it"
Don't know if I wouldve just rather been in an armored turret to begin with.
Hudson Edwards
they don't "invent" things. they steal the ideas of others and attempt to pass them off as their own. sometimes, they improve the copies. but, that's a rare occasion. see; semtex from C4.
Aiden Watson
Yes. This one is mostly fine. It is in Israel. There's a culture of contempt for anything for anything ceremonial or too official; there're no parade uniforms, most pins you'll see on most soldier's chest is 3, most medals is 0, berets are always kept under shoulder straps because it deemed pointless to wear them, soldiers are never taught the correct way to wear a beret (so they use the upside-down boat form it gets from the shoulder strap), officers know about the beret thing in theory, but most never even bother trying to get it right. Not only that there's no respect for the uniform- there's active disrespect, as it's seen as just cloths that sometimes can get in the way of getting the job done faster. Saluting anyone but generals, or even them, is the rookieest mistake possible that'll make the joke of the base for the rest of the week- among soldiers and officers alike. And the formations... even during formal events, are seen as nothing but annoyance and a chore- even by officers. Rehearsing said formation is viewed as time better spend working or doing something else- and usually only the most worthless or otherwise bored soldiers are tasked in last minute to participating in this ceremonies. You think that this photo is bad? That's almost passable by Israeli standards. At least I don't see any untucked shirts.
I've seen some other Israelis, or at least those familiar with the IDF, say similar. That they really don't care about ceremonial affairs or formality. It can seem unprofessional, but I also see why they only care for what is necessity. They don't have that many traditions or reason to try to show off (Especially when most are conscripts that just do their time and move on). I think for battle uniform it kind of works in their favor. No absurd looking camo, just an olive drab uniform, a vest, their weapon, and a helmet with an elastic band or/and covering. By looking so plain, it almost looks unique in this day and age. It's still as effective now as it was nearly a century ago.
Thomas Reyes
>thinking outside of the box >this could never go wron-
>that other jewess in the middle has a goddamn mustache. A MUSTACHE. POH-leese!
Luis Jenkins
IDF hates formality because it's a conscript army that has its roots as a civil defense militia. They take a sort of pride in it and think medals/pomp are tacky. The result is when the MoD forces them to act formal, the results are awful.
Rhodesian army was somewhat similar
Chase Hughes
The Red Army and PLA to an extent as well. At least in their beginnings when they were really taking pride in their worker and peasant backgrounds.
Colton Foster
Bit of an alien philosophy to me, but it makes sense from a utilitarian standpoint: that parade ground bullshit doesn't serve a purpose in a fight.
Carter Peterson
Any serious combat unit has CROWS now though some of the more open SOF vehicles still have open turrets
I dunno, they sure got creative when they invented the holohoax. Who else could have thought up electric floors, bear pits, masturbation machines and the incredible pedal driven brain bashing machine?
William Morgan
Jesus dude you post this every IDF related thread. There are plenty of images of fat frumpy Americans and piss drunk Russians at muster.
The IDF develops cool shit and works well so piss off.
>they don't "invent" things. The Israelis were well ahead of the US defense industry even in the 80s, not just in terms of fielding (for which they are famously aggressive) but also in R&D. They were ahead of us in all sorts of ways. Chemical directed energy, EW, aircraft avionics/subsystems, ramjets, to name a few.
And that was before the peace dividend. They only moved further ahead with time while we were busy bombing the Balkans.
Lincoln Parker
Israel is the only country that thinks beating an Arab military is an achievement.
Zachary Green
lmao, yeah, it's not as though the huge success of Gulf 1 is viewed as the crowning achievement of effects-based-ordinance operations or anything. And the Israelis in a country barely out of the crib managed to best them despite being surrounded, outgunned, outnumbered, and in a country the size of New Jersey surely doesn't account for jack shit. Wake me up when the US goes toe-to-toe with China and wipes the floor with them, given their suddenly unimpressive Cold War and post-Cold-War achievements.
Tyler Reyes
But that's wrong.
Austin Lewis
Looks like an interesting read. Thx for the link. Got any other good stuff?
No. You can also be a delusional paranoiac. loaded on amphetamines, engrossed in pseudo-history/science, driving Europe into oblivion, all because you never made it in art school.
I'd rather be Muslim, personally.
Brayden Sullivan
They actually develop a ton of shit, using US dollars of course.
Israel acts like almost like a massive shell company for US military R&D, officially the tech is Israeli but it's funded by and shared with the US.
Brandon King
>and shared with the US Whether or not it's in the fine print. We've basically strong-armed them into sharing all elements of Iron Dome IP despite it never being a previous stipulation for support. Plus, many of their production lines (the Namer among them iirc) have relocated to the US to take advantage of military aid which can now only be spent in the US. Since they need to partner with a US contractor to make it happen, it's essentially a clever way to enable Isr>US tech transfer.
Joseph Carter
A disaster? What makes you say so?
Jace Mitchell
The entire reason Lebanon II was mismanaged at the General Staff level was because of SOD. I recommend you read some papers on the conflict. They've moved away from the strategy (as has the US to a degree with effects-based-ordinance) but it's still instructive as how NOT to build a concept of operations. There were a bunch of papers on it but here's one. dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a545805.pdf
Recent operations against militants in Gaza show a strong move away from the previous strategy (see: avoiding an all-out focus on eliminating C3).
Nicholas Butler
>delusional paranoia
You just described every Jew ever
Xavier Lee
It’s hilarious how swarthy these kikes look, they must be drinking their own poison when it comes to the race mixing they promote. I would expect their country to start resembling their Arab neighbors more and more the more their bloodline gets diluted.
Noah Green
>Hezbollah takes 8x the losses of the IDF >country reduced to rubble >Hasn't attacked Israel since >"DIVINE VICTORY"
It's pretty sad this, at best, indecisive skirmish is put on a pedestal as the greatest victory over the zionist entity.
Gavin Peterson
How do we get the muslims off Jow Forums?
Owen Long
People often hate what they see in themselves. Perhaps Hitler saw himself as the ultimate failed Jew, having been denied access to the highest annals of culture. The inferior in all relationships, angrily having to show up others when he felt his authority was challenged. It may explain his insistence on overriding his exponentially more intelligent generals.
Charles Morris
You don't even need a stalemate. The Yom Kippur War is celebrated to this day as a victory in Egypt.
Tactically speaking I'd chalk up the 2006 war to Hezbollah. Though they took much heavier losses than Israel (even by their own admittance) they scored a number of important propaganda victories and were able to appear victorious by merit of not being defeated until the ceasefire. The dead lebanese civilians also helped make them seem like the victim
Strategically however it was probably an Israeli win, it finally achieved quiet of Israel's northern border (which they had been trying to achieve since 1975), Hezbollah hasn't messed with the IDF again, and it spurred Israeli missile defense in things like iron dome which have seriously detrimented rocket attack effectiveness (i.e. why the palestinians are using incendiary kites now)
Hudson Carter
Well, you're a fountain of information. How do you find all this stuff?
Juan Williams
also add that it started a wave of Israeli assassinations against hezbollah leaders that, despite their "divine victory", hezbollah still never responds to and simply takes.
Nolan James
>bait Israel into a location where you have hundreds of fighters entrenched in civilian positions >8:1 loses >economy and infrastructure ruined >accept peace with none of your demands met
Truly, Allah is the greatest!!!!
Jonathan Wood
My fucking cadet flight looks better than these numpties.
