Give soldiers self repairing full body suits, similar to wetsuits (the technology exists now, not sure on cost)

Yeah, I meant you were giving it more credit than it deserved.

When the pump inevitably fails its just deadweight.

And possible containment issues with the blood, could potentially leak blood out of the suit.

teamfortress.com/tf06_thenakedandthedead/#f=20

It only needs to run when you bleed, I don't see how it could have a high failure rate with a rugged design. It doesn't matter if some blood leaks out of the suit, so long as at least some remains.

What if i piss/shit myself after getting shot? It can happen. Now my shit and piss are mixed with my blood and getting pumped back into my blood stream, thats a ....shitty..... way to die

>give soldiers self repairing full body suits, similar to wetsuits (the technology exists now, not sure on cost)
Gib proofs

You totally got this idea from Dune didn't you?

Checked
Nice pun

>what if I piss/shit
What if you're just dirty from being innastan and sweating constantly? I'm no doctor but something tells me that injecting blood full of sand and sweat is a less than stellar idea

>hey lets take that blood that just drained out of your body and down your dirty sweaty skin, through your feet, and into some shitty pump you probably haven't sterilized and pump it back into your body!
>What the fuck why do all our soldiers have Staph?

Stop making these fucking stupid threads. The power armour ones are bad enough and this one is just outright retarded.

Jesus christ no.
First do you realize how much shit is on your skin and you want to pour blood down it and then reintroduce it into the bloodstream?
Second, have you ever given blood or got an IV? Fucking trained medical professions who do it daily routinely fuck up catheterization, and you want to do it mechanically in a package that will shift around on the skin, has no real method of reference and somehow is small enough to not get in the way.
Blood Salvage requires a shit tonne of machinery - filtration, RBCS, centrifuges etc.
Blood Salvage is only an option some of the time. If you get gut shot, pumping that shit back into your blood stream will kill you.

Fuck you know what would have been a better idea? A two layer suit that when punctured dumps a disolvable hemostatic on the wound. That has a shit ton of problems itself but its still infinitely better than this idea.

Lets combine both of the retard threads. Power armor that uses your blood from getting so fucking shot from being slow as a coolant.

Khorne approves.

No dirt can get through the suit, any shit that does gets filtered, sweat wouldn't matter, and even if bacteria did somehow get you sick, sure as hell beats bleeding out.
news.psu.edu/story/418507/2016/07/25/research/self-healing-textiles-not-only-repair-themselves-can-neutralize
There's also the NASA work.
No arguments then? Thanks for the (you) anyways.
>how much shit is on your skin
Sweat and bacteria aren't major issues compared to immediate death.
>that will shift around on your skin
You'd just have to strap it down real tight. If all else fails make it so someone has to inject it manually.
>requires a shit tonne of machinery
Except it really doesn't. Sure it'd be nice to have those machines, but not necessary.
>pumping that shit back into your blood stream will kill you
Source?

>Could this work?

Not with our current level of tech. Nanotechnology, biochemistry, and power storage all need to advance beford this becomes possible. Give it another century, people will probably be printing this stuff by the yard on their home printers.

someone post the flexseal thread

>full body wetsuit
>my dream patrol uniform wouldnt be a thong, FLC and patrol cap

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There is zero way someone is this retarded. Its like telling them the sky is blue and they scream "NUH UH PROVE IT".

since it sounds like you're actually serious:
1. heat exhaustion from forcing soldiers to wear sweat suits constantly
2. does nothing for internal bleeding
3. would probably not even recover a useful amount of blood as only a percentage of the blood will flow to wherever the pump is located anyway
4. unsanitary as fuck, you can't just "filter out" all the bacteria and shit that's on your skin. surgical blood salvage works by siphoning blood directly out of a surgical cavity using a sanitary pump and literally like 200 pounds of other equipment as other user have said
5. self healing rubber needs to be thick as fuck to work fast, as a rule of thumb as thick as the hole that's made in it. so to heal a 7.62mm hole you'd need a >7mm suit. a 7mm wetsuit weighs about 8 pounds so you could literally have every soldier carry around an extra gallon of blood and be more efficient, weight wise
6. medic would have to cut open the suit to treat the wound anyway in many cases
7. even without the infection risk blood on your skin is going to be exposed to oxygen and clot. pumping it back into your body would probably just straight kill you with an embolism

>How to give soldiers endocarditis and sepsis all at once while in the field

Christ, what an excellent and accelerated way to get the worst STDs and diseases imaginable.

Dude the level of tech that you're talking about is made completely useless by simple ceramic plates and a fucking blood transfusion kit.
You're asking if its physically possible? Certainly. It's all physically possible if you're brave and stupid enough.
Is it at all feasible? No. No, youd have to be clinically fucking retarded if you think you can just "filter out," piss, shit, sweat, and other contaminants from blood from a polyethylene suit to make it a viable idea.
And your assertion that sweat and bacteria arent a bad idea compared to death? I tell you what, you run a test. Get a dirty needle that you've used on yourself - only yourself - and then cover it with the stuff that you've got on your toilet seat. Then inject that straight into your veins. And when you get out of the ICU a month later with crippling fucking diseases you let us know how it all went.

>force soldiers to wear latex suit at all times while deployed
>optional air filtration system for cbrn threats
>completely sealed from STDs and other shit
i know its completely impractical, but just think about the morale boost

>force soldiers to wear latex suit at all times while deployed

Now you're talking my fucking goddamn language user.

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The bacteria you would want to filter out of the blood is smaller than the blood cells. There is no way to sterile filter the blood and not filter out the blood cells as well.

And you are still going to have shattered bones, torn ligaments and tendons, and holes in your vital organs. Blood loss is only one of many factors that make gunshots shitty to experience. If a rifle shot hits bone the bone explodes into pieces. Muscles are hard to use when they have giant holes torn in them. Vital organs don't work when they have holes torn in them. Nerves don't work when they are severed.

>>force soldiers to wear latex suit at all times while deployed

I fucking told you letting faggots in the military was a slippery slope

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>Sweat and bacteria aren't major issues compared to immediate death.
It is when the alternative is stopping the bleeding instead.
>You'd just have to strap it down real tight
No you retard, the human body is not solid. Shit moves around inside and nothing is going to be strapped down tight enough to make a difference. Grab your forearm right as you can just under the elbow, notice how you can still twist wrist and thus your radius and ulner? Not to mention how encumbering the thing is going to be. Go get a pressure cuff, put it on properly and try lifting weights. Because your gadget is going to have to be tighter than that cuff to even begin to try to work.
>If all else fails make it so someone has to inject it manually.
Oh like a medic or doctor? Hey here's an idea, why don't we just have them inject them with fresh blood so they have a fresh supply of clotting factors and viable platelets that will be depleted even with IOBS? You know like we already have and do you, fucking moron?
>Except it really doesn't. Sure it'd be nice to have those machines, but not necessary.
Yes those fucking are necessary. Do you even know basic transfusion science? Just for starters, if you don't you have to pump the patient full of anticoagulants to stop them stroking and still be able to pump the blood in and do you know what will happen if you pump a GSW victim with blood thinners, retard?
>Source
Regular peritonitis from a gutshot will kill you in 8hrs if left untreated, and you want to give the entire fucking body the equivalent. You want to pump bile and bacteria and stomach acid through the entire bloodstream and you don't see a problem with that?

You deleted the repeat but obviously this was meant for you

Skin is naturally covered in staph bacteria. It's on all of our skin 24/7. Pumping blood that has been exposed back into your body is 100% guaranteed to give you a systemic staph infection that will be fatal.

OP is retarded. I have a master's degree in microbiology BTW.

Thank you for being such a dumb bastard.

Where is evidence of self-repairing-wetsuit technology existing? How would it inject blood back into the body, and where? How would the pump/filter work, how would you get one small enough and powerful enough for it's intended task, and what would power it? How would you regulate the speed at which the blood is injected back into the body if the bleeding was faster than the system could safely filter and return the blood into the body? What would be accomplished by putting blood into a body with a hole in it that has not been addressed? Why wouldn't you just use a tourniquet and an IV/IO? How would you regulate core temp, since wetsuits raise body temperature? What is stopping the blood from escaping the suit through leg/neck holes?

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fpbp

>Systemic infection is better than something pressure and stuffing would would treat

I love this guy

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intraoperative_blood_salvage

Did you even read the article? It is a complex process that involves centrifuging the red blood cells, washing them, and re-injecting them in a new fluid. It takes a fucking lab and multiple nurses and technicians to complete. It isn't just a little kit you can wear.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law)
>not blindly believing what anons say online makes you retarded
>heat exhaustion
A wetsuit has higher thermal conductivity than air, so would at least probably not increase your body temperature. Wetsuits are also designed with low thermal conductivity in mind, so a normal rubbery suit would keep you cooler than that.
>does nothing for internal bleeding
And it doesn't need that to be potentially worth using.
>will flow to wherever the pump is located
No, it could be designed to capture nearly all of it. I'm picturing a series of tubes running along the suit, in areas blood is likely to pool, with holes in them sucking up blood.
>unsanitary as fuck
So are dirty messy wounds, and it beats bleeding out.
>self healing rubber needs to be thick as fuck to work fast
Not the new stuff.
>medic would have to cut open the suit
That's not a flaw with the design, once a medics there hopefully they'll stop the bleeding soon after, plus any blood that has pooled will still be pumped.
>pumping it back into your body would probably just straight kill you
Anticoagulants could be used.
>a fucking blood transfusion kit
Logistical and financial nightmare.
>piss, shit, sweat, and other contaminates
I already replied to that argument.
>with crippling fucking diseases
So why doesn't this happen when all those bacteria get into dirty open wounds?
I never said filter bacteria.
>shits still fucked
I never said it wasn't, the goal isn't to keep someone fighting forever.
>when the alternative is stopping the bleeding instead
A medic can stick a needle in faster than they can pack a wound, and supply them blood rather than only stopping the flow could save their life.
>why don't we just have them inject them with fresh blood
Every medic carries around bags of every blood type everywhere they go, little known fact. The big pack they carry is actually a mini fridge to store all that in.

"Argument"
>NUH UH

You're that twelve year old that uses "Invincible shield" when playing with the rest of the retards, aren't you?

>normal rubbery suit would keep you cooler than that
uh... user, do you know exactly what full rubber suits do?

This doesn't solve the problems a lack of blood pressure causes. Which is the primary issue. Also, infection rates would be insane.

TL;DR It wouldn't do anything useful

hahahah holy fuck, off topic but thanks for bringing back middle school memories
>fat new kid decides to play "dodge high speed tennis balls against wall" with me and my friends
>YOU CANT HIT ME BECAUSE I HAVE THE ORB OF DEFENSE (basketball)
>wtf?
>gets hit in the face, cries, teachers shut down our operation
fuck you devin

Ackshully it does since you get blood back, and the blood gets rinsed with bleach in a little bloodwasher you carry.

>PRESSURE

You reveal yourself as illiterate

bruh, I was merely pretending

Damn brah, did you just read Dune recently?

Yeah because that won't destroy the blood cells...

You realize that bacteria are much stronger and durable than human cells, right? They can survive greater temperature extremes and more extreme chemicals than human cells. Human cells are very fragile compared to bacteria.

I already posted the source on the tech.
>How would it inject blood
I dunno user take a guess
>How would the pump/filter work
Like a pretty standard pump and filter probably.
>How would you regulate the speed at which the blood is injected back into the body
By setting the pumps speed?
>What would be accomplished
Letting them live longer.
>Why wouldn't you just use a tourniquet and an IV/IO?
Because you can save their blood while you stop the bleeding.
>since wetsuits raise body temperature?
Only in water.
>What is stopping the blood from escaping the suit through leg/neck holes?
A good elastic seal, and a pump sucking it away.
>Systemic infection
Citation needed
>someone does it a certain way so it can only be done that way
Surely you mean
"name-calling mixed with unsourced claims"
>SKEPTICISM
When they have a higher thermal conductivity than air, they cool you off.
>lack of blood pressure
That's the medics job.
>infection rates would be insane
Source?

They have bandages called QuikClot Combat Gauze that dry on contact with blood and seal up wound channels

lets stick you in a full seal rubber suit, load you up with 100 pounds of gear, and have you do a 10 mile patrol in desert mountains. You're trying to say that the suits will offer an advantage to what troops have right now in regards to temperature? I'm willing to bet you will have grunt goulash at the end of mile 2. I guess the suits will make for easier cleanup of all the fluids of heat casualties.

You must actually be younger than 12

>A wetsuit has higher thermal conductivity than air, so would at least probably not increase your body temperature. Wetsuits are also designed with low thermal conductivity in mind, so a normal rubbery suit would keep you cooler than that.

In a wetsuit, you'll overheat from the inside, not from the outside. And you'll overheat pretty quickly when running around carrying hit and shooting stuff.

Just try it, wear a wetsuit for a while, on land. You'll heat up in a very short time.

I know, because I went to a halloween party in scuba gear once. In a cold country. I had to start shoving ice cubes down the wetsuit regularly to not get overheated.

>lose blood
>find it
>pour it back in

so retarded, it's smart. But also retarded.

can confirm, did a halloween walk around my northern canadian town in a wetsuit, overheated so much that I didn't even take off my backpack full of candy when I saw a nice cold pool (where we were finishing our trick-or-treating run, the public pool my family runs)

luckily is rains here alot so people hand out plastic-wrapped candy or they stick it in plastic bags beforehand, but it sure didn't rain that night.

In addition to all the other reasons your idea is dumb that Anons have pointed, theres also the huge losses you'll get from coagulation and surface area. Jump in a pool and then put a bucket at your feet. What percentage of the water on you ends up in the bucket, user?
>No, it could be designed to capture nearly all of it
Except it wouldn't for the above reasons and others. Blood doesn't flow out of you like torrents of red water like in anime user.
>Anticoagulants could be used..
This is monumentally stupid. Do you even know what an anticoagulant does? Do you know why this is so dumb?
>Logistical and financial nightmare.
But your magic suit isn't?
>I already replied to that argument.
Except you didn't, not in any way that actually addresses the problem.
How do you even keep body hair and coagulated blood from clogging the system?
>Every medic carries around bags of every blood type everywhere they go
The field medics don't but the medevacs do. Field medics stopping the bleeding is a far better idea and will save blood volume far more effectively
>I dunno user take a guess
No explain it. Because before you said you wanted to the field medics to do it, but they'll be busy stopping the bleeding and if they're stopping the bleeding then they're also cutting the suit away from the wound.
>Like a pretty standard pump and filter probably.
Do you even know what blood is user? Its not a homogeneous liquid. You do know that right?
>someone does it a certain way so it can only be done that way
If it was that easy, cheap and handy to do it some other way, why would they not be using the easy, cheap and handy way?
>higher thermal conductivity than air, they cool you off
Humans cool off by sweating, not straight conduction
>Citation needed
>Source
Why do you think they clean the incision site and injection sites before doing anything? Even if you've never seen a surgery, surely you've seen medical shows. Even they know this.

you've clearly never taken even a basic first aid course, but I'll bite, cause I sure have.

Even after you've taken a thorough shower in antiseptic solution, there's still enough nasty shit in your skin that you still have to prep a wound area with pure alchohol or an equivalent like benzalkonium because the shit our body forces out of our skin would be incredibly toxic in our bloodstream. And we still swap those dressings that are super sterile and soaked in antiseptic out every 24 hours. That'd the kind of infection you're looking to fight here, something so nasty we don't even try to fight it because more bandages and blood loss is an easier and safer solution.

Adding several pints of blood to a wounded person doesn't require a single needled shoved into a mass of muscle, it requires an intravenous line that can also get very infected, and usually several hours of very low pressure injection (usually by gravity) to not cause a stroke, or severe pain, or horrible damage to blood vessels.

>Every medic carries around bags of every blood type everywhere they go, little known fact. The big pack they carry is actually a mini fridge to store all that in.

holy fuck I hope you're trolling because if you aren't trolling you're actually retarded, the packs medics take with them have maybe one or two types of medicine they can use in the field, and saline, which cannot replace blood. It's normally used to clean wounds and some grades can be used to raise blood pressure, but even then most medics do not carry the necessary equipment or type of saline to make a proper IV kit out of shit they find around them.

Has anyone addressed the fact that putting holes in these suits (you know, with bullets, the very type of wound you want to fix with these things) would render them completely inoperable? And also let all kind of contaminants in?

He's trolling, right? He's gotta be trolling.

>holy fuck I hope you're trolling because if you aren't trolling you're actually retarded,
He's both trolling and retarded, but I'm pretty sure that particular bit was just sarcasm.

yeah. I did it in Norway, it rained, and was pretty cold.

I kept opening it early on, went outside to cool off. Then I kept pouring cups of water over me and inside the wetsuit to keep cool. In the end, it was constantly pouring water, showing ice cubes wherever i could fit them, and drinking a lot of cold beer to keep cool. But it still was way too fucking hot.

It makes for comfy swimming though. But then again, you're constantly drenched in 20C or lower, so you're not going to overheat. But in the open air, the air will simply not carry the heat away, so the water in the suit will heat quickly, to above body temperature, and evaporate in a matter of minutes.

Why not add a new member to the fireteam whos job is to go around gathering all the blood on the battlefield and just pouring it back into the wounded? Should get them ready to fight pretty fast, and they get all the advantages of every blood type. Not to mention they'll build uber super fast.

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>infection is a better option
This nigga

People fucking die from infected wounds out there.
And now you're suggesting to pump contaminated blood into someone, are you a fucking retard?

Hey guys, instead of carrying water why don't they just piss into a bag that has a filter and drink that? Yeah it'll make them sick as fuck, but that's clearly the better solution, right? Carrying water is heavy and drinking piss is better than being dehydrated

>cheap, reliable way to regulate body heat
surely you mean efficient batteries.

Let's say all you guys are right about the shit on your skin killing you. Nobody has mentioned my other proposal, wearing two layers and trapping the blood between them. You could coat the materials with an anti bacterial solution, or anything else that might be needed, and the area would be well sealed from air, shit and anything else.

You are an idiot
>Conduct OPs with catheter inserted in ass to
>Recycle lost blood
Fkys

You need to be 18 to post here.

You can't inject blood drenched in anti bacterial fluid into the bloodstream without dying. And there's no way to keep the blood clean, when you've been shot through the layers. Recirculating blood from a wound in the field is impractical, especially when it' better in every way to get a transfusion in a proper manner.

THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE ON MY TORSO!

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Nothing either of you say is accurate, I've laid out the idea in this thread.
>anti bacterial fluid into the bloodstream
I never said it'd use fluid.
>there's no way to keep the blood clean, when you've been shot through the layers
The outer layer seals, the inner layer is skin tight and only lets blood through.

>The outer layer seals, the inner layer is skin tight and only lets blood through.
Oh I get it, it's a MAGIC gimp suit!
Why don't you build a working prototype and come back to us once your brilliant idea has made all our soldiers immortal.

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Wounds are more complicated than "hole with blood coming out" friendo

This is absolute peak autism, holy fuck

Is OP 12, retarded, or mentally I'll? Find out in this episode!

You don't need a source you need common fucking sense.

What if you get shot in the stomach? You don't want vomit, bile, gastric juices, hydrochloric acid to be pumped back into you. Ew.

Don't forget your acidic sweat, carrying all the bacteria living in your skin; all pumped into you. And possibly shit and piss if you're unlucky. ew

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Muh magic filter and wonderwaffen battery

jesus christ... this would absolutely not work.

first off theres gigatons of shit on your skin that you dont want just injected back into your body. even if there wasnt do you have any idea how much blood youre talking about waiting to "pool" so it can be pumped back into this poor sod? it wouldnt be enough to keep them alive as blood doesnt just straight flow to your feet. wrap an orange in plastic wrap and cut into it. the blood will spread out and then fall with gravity but you would never be pumping back the same volume into the person. also this system implies that there is a hypodermic injection site placed on someone whos running around, fighting, jumping and working their ass off in combat and somehow its not going to come out or move. there is a reason we tape IV's down and immobilize arms in the hospital. its because you can very easily lose an IV at the site.

t. paramedic

this isn't feasable anytime soon, what is though, exo skelly suits. those are coming best believe it. To the battlefield, to the industrial sector, then the commercial and private sector. I CANNOT FUCKING WAIT TO GO HIKING IN MY OWN EXO SKELLY SUIT AND SCALE A FUCK HUGE CLIFF AND MOUNTAIN AND NOT GET TIRED. THE FUTRE WILL BE SO MUCH FUN WITH EXO SKELETON SUITS

They're at least interesting to consider as novel concepts, quit being a spoil sport.

This is retarded, no one who's finished high school could be capable of an idea like this. Basically a suit like that could maybe work if it carried clotting compounds which automatically deployed, but there's a thousand reasons not to use clotting compound on certain wounds. We're a long way from a suit like this, because it would need the ability to diagnose and take appropriate action for a perticular wound, for instance, a chest wound that would require a flutter bandage may cause the suite to seal 3 sides of a wound and open a slit in the suit just beneath the puncture to allow for gasses to equalize. I'll say again, that things like that are a long ways away, and my argument against it would be that there are more efficient ways of doing small arms combat, like not using humans at all if we're talking about technology that advanced.

This is the dumbest thing I've read online in a long while. Go read a book OP

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this is fucking stupid and convoluted.
until we have crazy full body armor airtight space suits,
having self-sealing clothes is a hinderance to medics and soldiers.
better to have a sealing foam gun thing that you can spray into a wound to stop bleeding.
much simpler, cheaper, and idiot-proof. it's only a matter of making the foam,
no reason you can't put it in a regular wd40 can.

Injectable nanobots to do internal surgery and back up blood in your power armor would be more effective.

god tier trolling nice job op

go be retarded somewhere else

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Sounds like a great way to get sepsis or bloodclots
>pro tip bacteria is smaller than blood cells

>But you literally can recycle blood
And that’s done in a hospital environment and there is still risk of infection

Mods, please ban OP for being a notoriously dumb cunt.

Thank you.

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Wouldn’t this make it harder for a medic to treat a wounded soldier?

That sounds like a great way to make antibacterial resistant bacteria

As a med student this guy is comedy fucking gold
He figured out ways to kill a person more efficiently than the bullet that originally hit them

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We've had quite the memorable idiot pantheon. GasAnon, BB fag, Gliderfag, Hunter, so many more.
I dub Op BloodSuitAnon.

Maybe LordBear for this moron?

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