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30-30 or 45-70?
I like both guns but I only want to buy one. I like the stoppingpowah of the 45-70 but it sucks at longer distances versus the 30-30 (which appeals to me in the aesthetics department) but I'm using irons anyway.
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Do you reload?
You can shoot both farther than you'll ever need to take game CONUS if you practice.
Also this.
What will you primarily be using the gun for, and realistically, at what ranges? Although .45-70 is very sexy and powerful, be prepared to spend around $2 a round or start reloading.
.30-30 is about equivalent to 7.62x39 and is adequate for deer and under. .45-70 will kill any land based animal in North America.
.45-70 cuz it's fun
No I don't reload but I don't plan on shooting it every weekend either perhaps every once in a while and money isn't that big of an issue ammo wise.
This is why I like the sound of it and I understand ammo to cost so I'll likely shoot it once a couple of months but money is good right now so I can hoard some.
What's a reasonable range?
Unfortunately I already have 2 guns in 7.62 format which is the sks and mosin so I feel kinda declined for the .30-30 for this reason
True, experience with it?
>True, experience with it?
Yeah, a friend of mine had a Marlin guide gun. I can say it is very effective against glass bottles. Save your brass tho, even if you're not set up reloading yet.
45-70 is the OG lever gun round.
>what's a reasonable range
I mean, about a half-assed shooter can pop 400 with either with some practice. 300 is pretty easy.
Can I ask another question?
It was one of the last chambered for it actually.
.44-40 would be the OG round.
30-30 if you want to shoot it for fun. 45-70 is probably the "better" guide round for Grizzly. In practical senses a 30-30 would definitely put down anything in the lower 48 no problem.
Buffalo cartridge makes really hot 30-30 loads too.
Marlins a shit btw. 94 or bust.
>.44-40
>OG levergun caliber
Wrong.
.44 Rimfire.
>45-70 is the OG lever gun round.
Noguns please
>He doesn't know.
Lmao.
.44 Rimfire predates .44-40 significantly.
>Can I ask another question?
Yeah
I like your responses, not familiar with levergats all that much so I'm almost inclined on getting both. What's the deal with the Marlin hate?
I was just being obnoxious. I was obvious limiting it to shit you could feasibly buy. OP isn't going to buy an original Henry.
>What's the deal with the Marlin hate?
The factory lost all its experienced people when bought out by a conglomerate. They don't come anything close to even the newer Japanese made Winchesters.
I'd go to a pawnshop and get a pre cross bolt safety but post 64 Winchester for $250.
Where do you live in the US and what role does this gun fill? Trail gun, tree stands, travelling to make the NA grand slam, what?
why not a 50 bmg boltgun or 50 beowulf ar? maybe a 10 gauge slug if you need something smaller and easier to reload?
I do have to say that I'm not too familliar with hunting, do these rounds cause too much damage even on very large game and would a 45-70 out of a rifled barrel be therefore more advisable?
I'm really biased against Lever-Action, it's not a good feeding mechanism to me, and Marlin isn't exactly what you'd call mint quality
.45-70 is more versatile if you reload.
If you don't, get the .30-30, I guess. I'd rather just get a .357 or .44 in that case, though.
>2018
>not exclusively shooting handloads in all your firearms
>I'm really biased against Lever-Action, it's not a good feeding mechanism to me
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It was the only WW1 era rifle to pass the mud test. :) Bolt actions BTFO!
.45-70 is overkill for almost everything, unless you have a specific use like hunting (very) big game. .30-30's good for deer, black bear, wild boars, and of course 2 legged. It is also cheaper to shoot and it doesn't hurt your shoulder too much after a couple of shots.
7.62x39 is a step below .30-30.
Lever actions have their place. Are they the greatest action for all situations? no. Are they a really solid action for certain applications? most certainly.
30-30 is a fad
45-70 is eternal
Dude, if you're not gonna contribute to the thread and don't have a significant amount of hands-on experience with the items and concepts in question then why even comment?
So quality is going to shit with Marlins?
>pre cross bolt safety but post 64 Winchester for $250
Makes sense, I was going to order online but I'll check out a few LGS in my area to see what they have first, maybe on sale.
I'll admit I'm not going to be encountering bears (but the idea of hunting down anything in NA sounds sexy and I'll likely move anyways) but mountain lions is a probability. I'm going to get shit on for this but I live in Cali, particularly the south. I want it more or less as a trail gun during deep desert funs and for general plinking. I'm starting to like less tacticool shit lately and going back to the originals. Plus I'll probably end up moving somewhere like Alaska or somewhere north where it's generally colder and vote red everytime.
30-30 has certainly been a fad for the last 120 years then
They're both eternal. Hence the dilemma.
.45-70 FOR SURE!!!!!
45-70 really isn't that overkill even for deer-sized game. Down-load it and use a very simple cast or FNSP load and you're golden. The Remington 45-70 is relatively unimpressive and makes a lovely medium game thumper. Remember, there was a time when people used the same gun for almost everything and nobody went hungry or lost too much meat. If you load up a cast slug, you won't even have that much bloodshot to remove if any.
> sks+myosin
You’ve already got the responsible possibilities covered.
Get the 45-70
30-30 will be fine for what you want to do with it. Keep in mind the recoil of 30-30 is more than a semi 308 in my experience. They aren't as forgiving. Shooting hot rod 45-70 loads sounds like a good idea on the internet but they're very stout in real life.
No point in buying a gun with grizzlies in mind now. And again, 30-30 would be a bear stopper with 190gr Buffalo Bore loads. Not something a guide would probably let you hunt with though.
If Alaska and big game hunting is on the table, and money isn't an issue, go 45-70.
Load it down for medium game and plinking or buy run-of-the-mill fudd loads and run Buffalo Bore or Leverevolution for Elk/open ground mulie/black bear and cats and shit. Run hardcast and heavy for big browns.
Want me to fish up the ballistics data for the Leverevolution for ya? I ain't got shit else to do.
Thanks guys, I talked to my LGS and they have a Winchester 94 preowned at .30-30 and have some Marlin 45-70 as well, going to go check it out later on today while I pick up my ammo I ordered.
The 30-30 feels like a .308? I don't mind the .308 too much but anything bigger might be an issue. But you're right the 45-70 sounds great on the internet but recoil and plinking may not be so fun.
Yeah please, I'm going to store ammo for big game hunts in the future and curious about different loads to use and whatnot.
Unless you're getting into those leverevolution rounds or whatever they're called, 7.62x39 will have about the same energy as .30-30 at ~150 yards and be stronger beyond that because it has a better ballistic coefficient.
>Keep in mind the recoil of 30-30 is more than a semi 308 in my experience.
That's kind of weird considering .30-30 has a lot less power behind it
>The 30-30 feels like a .308?
Slightly more.
>.30-30 has a lot less power behind it
It also doesn't have a recoil absorbing action like my M14 did. Obviously if you're comparing 30-30 lever to a bolt action 308 the 308 will be worse.
Forgot, scroll to bottom. Tests were done with 24 inch barrel, take that into consideration. 18.5-20 inch barrels will probably drop an inch or two at 200 instead of zeroing out and you'll probably see drop figures accelerated by 50-75 yard increments after that.
Gotcha, thanks looking into it right now.
Fuck it, buying both.
You're welcome
> 30-30 more recoil than 308
Fricking how? 30-30 has half the muzzle energy
.30-30 in my opinion. Even if you don't plan on shooting it a lot it never hurts to have the option, and I think it's a very satisfying round. 45-70 is rad however, so I wouldn't fault you either way.
>Fricking how?
Physics.
How deep are your pockets?
Because if you are actually planning to shoot the thing like said 45-70 costs about $2 a shot.
If you cant imagine going down right now to the local fuddmart and buying a $40 box of ammo, stick to 30-30
T. 30-30 levergat owner.
>ignorance the post
30-30 will kill anything in North America and wtf makes you think its comparable to a short cartridge like 762x39?
>30-30 a fad
>has killed more game in North america than any other caliber
Oh no, its retarded.
Because a semi automatic absorbs recoil through the cycling action before reaching your shoulder. Unlike bolt/lever guns with no moving parts when firing YOU take all the recoil.
If you'd face a grizzly or a moose with a .30-30, you're either very brave or very dumb.
45-70
>45/70 isn't good at range
Its an extremely accurate round you just need to account for bullet drop and you can hit out to 1000 yards
Canadians use a .30-30 for moose all the time.
What if I want to hunt an orca?
They both suck at long ranges.
Theres no levergun thread up so I'll ask here, whats the deal with the Henry all weather rifles in 30-30? Are they good or are they shit? (aside from the tube loading, I don't like it but its impossible to get a good new levergun with a loading gate and there aren't any used ones for sale within a 3 hour drive from where I live)
i had the exact same issue a month ago OP, the exact same 2 guns in pic
i went with the 30-30 because the rounds is cheaper, if money isnt an issue get the 45-70. if you are into hunting the 45-70 might destroy some of the meat.
some part of me wishes i got the 45-70 but im satisfied because the 336SS looks cool to me
OP here, I bought both because I can't drop one over the other.
Nice
I'm sorry for your loss.
Ammo money isn't that big of an issue right now.
Buddy, I *AM* Canadian. Half the people I know who hunt moose are weary of using .308 for moose, let alone .30-30 Win.
>OP here, I bought both because I can't drop one over the other.
nice
Another Canadian here. Everyone I know uses .300 win mag for moose
