Should a self defense focused shooter train with and/or practice like a competitive shooter, or even compete themselves...

Should a self defense focused shooter train with and/or practice like a competitive shooter, or even compete themselves? Why or why not? Discuss

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No, just practice maybe once a month or so. We're talking self defense here, unless you're living in a really bad area where your chances of ghetto blasting is biweekly or even monthly reoccuring.

Competitive shooting focuses on speed and accuracy, good for self defense since you wanna drop some fucker before he gets you first.

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Not if you're going to use a traditional competitive shooting stance.
Thrusting the gun way out in front of you is a terrible habit for self defense.

Explain

Self defense often happens within arm's reach.
Almost always withing a few steps of the attacker.
Putting your gun as close to the attacker as possible makes it that much easier for them to take it from you.

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Competition is great for honing skills necessary for self defense, but you should keep in mind that many of the skills or habits you turn to muscle memory practicing for competitions may be surprisingly detrimental in some self defense situations. Things like being overly used to drawing from a owb 3 o clock gun bucket instead of a retention holster or AIWB holster that you actually carry in, tunnel visioning on a singular goal/plan/action, or trying to assume a good shooting stance in the wrong situation could all fuck up your chances in a self defense situation. Competition is good, but force on force training is much better, and they go best together.

this, train and prepare for applying correct techniques in the correct context

Any training is better than no training. Even though I hate most competition shooting, someone who spends more time behind the trigger will fare better than someone who rarely practices.

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>Should a self defense focused shooter train with and/or practice like a competitive shooter

A self defense focused shooter will absolutely benefit from doing competition. That being said, there are things that do not carry over from the match to the streets
>fighting footwork
>learning how to read people and find pre assault indicators
>combatives ; "in-fighting"
>legal knowledge

High level competition shooters are easily the best shooters on the planet, no question about it but self defense and fighting isn't all about how fast you can shoot at what distance or how quick you can reload. If you miss all the pre assault indicators an attacker unwittingly gives you, you hesitate to flip your switch when lethal force is justified and spazz out, your sub second drawstroke, 2 second bill drill and .14 second splits won't save your ass when you're getting drilled in with a rusty switchblade.

>Things like being overly used to drawing from a owb 3 o clock gun bucket instead of a retention holster or AIWB holster that you actually carry in

This is a bit contentious because a GM on PF states he is able to "adjust" from carrying either AIWB outside of a match where he is carrying OWB. I think you have to train both if you want to compete OWB and carry AIWB but when I compete, I just AIWB and use my carry rig.

This can definately be an issue if all you do is practice OWB draws and AIWB, never doing any dry practice with AIWB.

Big ups for recognizing force on force training. Taking two force on force classes, I can confidently say that I learned more in those classes then every other square range class I've been to so far. Shooting isn't fighting and fighting is thinking. You won't learn how to fight on a square range or competition match. Force on force in my opinion should be mandatory if you decide to carry a gun.

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If you are focusing on speed and accuracy without using those faggot competition guns that are normally used and you use the guns that you would be carrying then yes.

Yes. Because it is fun.

>Almost always withing a few steps of the attacker.
That's bullshit. Paul Harrell did a video about misleading stats. Gunfights can happen at any distance, so it's best to be prepared for any distance.

I see no reason why you shouldn't compete. It will help make you a more well rounded shooter if you do it right. Competition shooting gets you moving and shooting and shooting under stress. I'd couple this with classes from qualified instructors too but it is a lot better than going to a range and plinking away at fixed target while stationary. Don't get me wrong that has its place in developing and working on fundamentals but it shouldn't be the only thing you do if you want to be a well rounded shooter.

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What about practicing with shot timers for self defense focused shooting?

I'm sure she'll be devastated to learn this news.

sure, why not, youre both idiots
competitive shooting should be about precision
time trials are just dumb

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I think it’s useful for some stuff but I don’t use a shot timer for everything I do at the range. Aaron Cowan has a video on this if you’re interested.

One frustration I have with the self defense community is how people get competition shooting and defensive shooting mixed up.

Modern competition focuses on speedy mechanical fundamentals of shooting and movement (as opposed to the slowfire accuracy of the past). "Self defense" training is the application of shooting into the wider sphere of "self defense" tactics and mindset.

Do both and learn from the best you can in each specialization. Learn situational awareness, how to profile people, etc from a "tactical trainer." Learn how to shoot from top level competitive shooters. Combine to the best of your ability.

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