Do these even work?

>slightly shittier F-22s.
>slightly

How does it feel to be THIS retarded?

>EODAS
>DSIs
>Massive Range
>VLO Payload Launch Rails

I'm talking about the J-20, not the F-22 by the way.

The ABSOLUTE fucking stage of the US Air Force

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Nope. Those dumb chinks just want to look as cool as the badass Americans, so they built a useless tin can that barely stays in the air. I mean why would the Chinese government pour money into a working stealth jet? It's all commie propaganda bro.

Pretty cool bird.

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>posted on device made in china

youtube.com/watch?v=3GU0fqn06Ys

militarywatchmagazine.com/read.php?my_data=70667

China's new door-kicker combo:

J-20 to clear the skies and provide targeting for J-16s with VLRAAM taking out support assets.

J-16 and J-10C conducting SEAD and AG strikes.

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Why would it be shittier at all, though? Chinks have the winning strategy
>wait for US to pioneer basic concepts
>wait for US to make advances in CAE technology
>wait for US to develop advances in computer hardware
>develop the same thing much faster and much more cheaply
>anything you can't figure out yourself just buy from the greatest ally or the vatniks

Meh, ai've seen morr impressive planes with superior capabilities that has no analog anywhere in the world.

You mean, can it work as a fighter jet? Yes, it's been recorded flying and launching missiles IIRC. How stealthy is it? Impose to say. It certainly has stealthy features like internal bays and DSI but the fuselage and RAM, no one knows.

From the year, yes. The ws 15 which is supposed to be on the J 20 is facing reliability issues. According to a statement by one of their guys, initial models are working but they're having quality control issues on the mass production line.

*from the rear

American designed and built micro processors assembled by Chinese slave labor*

Define "work"
I mean, it does take off, so there's that.

>and built micro processors
TSMC isn’t in the US and Qualcomm is fabless. Apple also does not own fabs. You’re a fucking moron.

>ill try spinning, thats a good trick
think looks like its on the verge of falling out of the sky

I'll just say that if you really want to see the value in the J-20, you shouldn't try to compare it to western aircraft, but rather what Chinese neighbours have. To start competing with the USA, China first needs to secure its own continent and borders.

fucking this.

cute

It's made by one of the three superpowers in the world, so it works. But it's made by China, whose craftsmanship on anything that isn't small arms or microprocessors is sketchy at best. I'm reminded of the pictures of the J-20's exhaust looking like a diesel trail from a tractor-trailer. Make of that what you will.

That wasn’t the J-20 you ignorant fool

oooh me so solly
ARR ROOK SAME

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both the J-20 and J-31 had that problem.

>if only because they are stealth aircraft.
kek

>Shitty knockoffs will totally beat the real thing guize!

False

They use completely different engines.

>Rivets
>unironically riveting panels to a current gen """""""""stealth""""""""" aircraft

Honestly, do the Chinkshits even care about proper and competent engineering at this point? Or is drone like mass-production their only capability? Its strange enough that they're yet to understand how to build jet engines without our (Russian) assistance, but for a country spending almost $120M murricoins per jet, its beyond subhuman that most of the panels are literally riveted onto the frame.

why knock-offs? 15 years is a lot when it comes to computer modelling of radar signatures and shit. What used to be only available to US military industrial complex any retard codemonkey can do nowadays.

Right! So what are these?

You are an idiot.

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>unironically riveting panels to a current gen """""""""stealth""""""""" aircraft

Obviously Americunts don't know stealth either huh?

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Hex screws
I mean he's literally using a driver to screw them in with.

Those are rivets.

These are hex rivets, not screws. Screws and vibration do not mix.

>Third world shitskins ITT are unironically incapable of distinguishing flush screws and rivets

Maximum kek. Explains all the enraged and impotent replies i'm getting. I'm really not sure why we expected a country full of gutter oil consumers like China to actually understand the intricacies of modern materials science. Why in the name of everything are they literally using rivet guns to secure panels to the J-20? Please don't evade this question or reply with yet another instance of insecure euro-style assblasted crying.

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>unironically riveting panels to a current gen """""""""stealth""""""""" aircraft
>Third world shitskins ITT are unironically incapable of distinguishing flush screws and rivets

Keep scoring those own goals buddy.

>These are hex rivets, not screws.
you're braindead. Learn the difference between rivets and rivet nuts

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I've given up trying to get no-bullshit assessments on Chinese equipment from Jow Forums. Eventually I just accepted that everything worth knowing about Chinese equipment is probably locked away in a vault somewhere in Beijing and it's unlikely we'll ever learn any of it.

>TH-THEY'RE NOT RIV-VETS. CHINA S-STRONG.

This thread is a treasure chest of laughs and Chink damage controll

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Bit rich from someone who can't tell a screw from a rivet huh?

>unironically riveting panels to a current gen """""""""stealth""""""""" aircraft

Keep digging buddy.

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Does it work? I mean, it flies, and that's about all anyone on this forum knows. Don't take anything said here seriously.

The only other thing we know is that it's still using the same engines as their flankers. They're developing a new engine, but no ones at what stage their development of the ws-15 is.

As far as the effectiveness of its avionics? Radar? Missiles? Eodas? RCS? Who the fuck knows?

No. These beautiful 5th generation fighters being shown off by China and Russia will never enter full production. And even if they did they'd probably be much more comparable to 4th gen. They just have 5th gen aesthetics.

Exactly. Anecdotal evidence is the only thing we would get short of an actual shooting war.

Only thing we do know are:
SAC J-11D project cancelled after PLAAF played with their new toy, and the pilots like it.
J-20 as OPFOR destroyed a combined defense of J-11B, J-10C and ground S-300PMU in a recent exercise, causing PLAAF rethink on anti-stealth tactics.
Both bits from that east pendulum blog, so it probably works.

How would it fare against western peers? Who knows.

Because RC Cola is so great, right?

Its not bad though

It's pretty shit, it files, its a 4.5 gen low observe strike aircraft, but it's going to have problems actually fighting a peer or superior threat.

It could be useful against vietnam and thats about it.

It's the Mig 25 debacle all over again.

because when you have knockoffs of Russian tech you physically stole and build your entire aircraft around it you are building off failure

at least its not the PAK-FA threads

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>baseless claims by a brainlet: the post.

>hex rivets
Kek'd at the damage control.

You do realize that rivets are locked by flattening both ends, making them look like mushrooms and locking them mechanically, while bolts are screwd into place and hold things together through friction, though they have more advanced locking systems in high vibration uses, but still essentially function the same. I mean I can understand some damage control, but when you even deny something so basic, that's just embarrassing and has the opposite effect of what you're trying to achieve.

>Amerimutts think the foxbat will be amazing and accidentally build eagle which is actually amazing
>Chinks think f-35 will be amazing, and accidentally build j-20, j-31, a fleet of emals carriers, railguns, hypersonic glide weapons, quantum radar, quantum stealth, quantum AI, and quantum unhackable communication

yep

you might've gotten a couple (you)'s if you just left it at the J-20 and J-31, dog. you have to keep it believable, don't lay it on too thick.

I trust the J-31 more than the J-20

The J-20 seems like some flying propaganda piece while the J-31 looks more of a refined fighter

you're retarded and dont know anything about the development of either

It works

Russian planes fly just fine. Vatniks can't into computers or precision manufacturing, but they never really had any problems with aerodynamics.

Nobody knows anything about any of these planes. It's all just autists trying to rile each other up and getting riled up in turn.

If America can fake moon landings 60 years ago, how easy is it to fake F-35 so called capabilities?

It would be unironically harder to fake the moon landings than actually go to the moon with 1960s tech.

Only Americans believe that.

t.poorfag whose country hasn't sent people on the moon

>haha yes let's spend billions and employ hundreds of thousands of people developing all these technologies that demonstrably work and also produce and launch half a dozen 300ft rockets just so people believe our studio footage
>let's also covertly spend millions to get cutting edge special effects
>let's also bribe the vatniks to pretend they didn't see what we did

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>canards
I thought it was supposed to be stealthy. Why would they add those if they were trying to keep it's radar cross section low. I bet they were an after thought after they found out it didn't fly right.

Because they have developed stealthy canards just like the Europeans, only Americans can't into stealthy canards that's why they don't like it. Pretty pathetic to be honest. Even Russian Su-57 use stealthy canards.

Su-57 doesn't have canards, it has leading edge vortex controllers, basically LERX but controllable angle of attack. Americans ditched canards a long time ago because they discovered you can get similar high angle of attack stability with said LERX and more intelligent flight control systems, which in the long run is about as expensive but results in less mechanical complexity of the aircraft.

RC Cola is the best fucking cola, and may allah's peace be upon you.

Potatoes, potatos. Just semantics, they have the same purpose as canards. People aren't as stupid as Americans to believe American lies.

Actually if u can read Chinese, there is a lot of development info out there. If you ventured beyond the intellectual cesspool that is Jow Forums, you could have seen some translated versions of that

>15 years is a lot when it comes to computer modelling of radar signatures and shit
Just because you can model it doesn't mean your industry has the skill and experience needed to actually build it.

All of the gen5 planes give me a boner

by that logic LERX are just as good, since they too have the same purpose as canards. LEVCON are different from canards in that canards are lifting surfaces that always point into the wind, ensuring that the aircraft has a lifting surface that stalls after the main wing. What LERX/LEVCON does is it modifies the vorticity of the leading edge of the wing, generating airflow over sections of the wing during angles of attack that would normally stall the aircraft out. LEVCON do the same thing as LERX except thanks to their controllable angle of attack they can be optimized to provide specific vorticity at varying conditions, unlike LERX which has to be optimized for specific conditions. And i would hardly call them "american lies" since the F/A-18 and all its variants are world famous for their controllability at angles of attack up to 60 degrees.

thread said no bullshit, gook.
also, 政府喜欢隐藏6月4日的信息

RC Cola isn't a knockoff though, more of a "I can do this shit better than Coca-Cola and cheaper" sort of deal.

Besides it isn't that bad.

>entirely different system serving entirely different purpose
>"itsh da same ting hurrr"

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Q U A N T A M S H I L L I N G

They're torx fasteners

Is this the reason I never saw a Raptor thread?

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>hex rivets

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>Just because you can model it doesn't mean your industry has the skill and experience needed to actually build it.
I get the feeling that you're a very dumb person, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

What you meant was probably that the Chinese can't produce certain geometries. Which is false. They can. What they cannot do with certainty is the high effectiveness of the RAM coating.

>n that canards are lifting surfaces that always point into the wind
wrong. you're dumb. stop talking.

go back to /aceg/ fag canards aren't meant to induce pitch on aircraft that have elevators

LOL, you vatniks are funny. The F-22 incident is just an accident while the PAK-FA explosion was a combination of shoddy workmanship and untrained pilots who carry dogs into the airfield.

>Hypersonic cruise
I mean, everything you typed was bullshit but this takes the cake

>Can I get an honest, no-bullshit assessment?
In Jow Forums? No, there are no assessments here which are honest or no-bullshit, let alone both.

>hypersonic cruise
Litteraly kill yourself

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Whats wrong with a hypersonic cruise missile?

oh boy, more shit for AMRAAMs to shoot at

>Hurr yurr dum cuz i dun liek whut yuu sez

You know it's good when they can't even do a barrel roll and maintain altitude