Why is it so hard for Americans to get a suppressor?
I have designed several variants and sold them to different shooters over the years. Here (Norway) i can make and sell them without any legal troubles.
We encourage shooters to get silencers.
Also what do you guys thing is the best silencer designs? Dont give me any of that OSS over designed bullshit.
Pro-gun people want legal suppressors but antigun people don't want any laws related to guns laxed keeping them controlled out of spite
Lucas Cruz
Well its believable at least. It should be encouraged on every shooting range tho.
How are the laws regarding integrally suppressed rifles? For some reason we have ill defined laws about it so most people never get their hands on one.
Sebastian Sanders
This and normies think there is an epidemic of assassins killing people quietly in daylight with silencers.
Luke Sullivan
>Why is it so hard for Americans to get a suppressor?
Because people are dumb and think a gun fitted with a suppressor makes a "thiwp" sound. Thanks Hollywood.
Aiden Collins
Integral silencers are still considered NFA
I took normie friends shooting with me and they were in awe when they saw them.
Very first thing one of them said when I fired the AR was "I thought it made the gun silent"
Jace Davis
Hollywood has convinced the majority of Americans that suppressors are only for assassins and turn your gun whisper quiet. The large barrier of entry (NFA laws and ATF registration) has been enough to keep two generations of normies from acquiring suppressors. It has not been until recently that suppressors have had any popularity or use outside of hardcore enthusiast circles.
Caleb Reyes
>integrally suppressed rifles They exist along with some pistols too (maxim 9), but are regulated, monitored and taxed in the same way as stand alone suppressors.
Levi Anderson
What suppressor designs are popular in Norway? What is used for precision target shooting?
John Johnson
I made an integral "lead dust catcher" for my .30 cal air rifle. Air gun suppressors are sketchy because if you make one that can be easily removed and put on a real gun, you may as well have made a suppressor. But Gamo and other major airgun brands have suppressors so it seems it's fine as long as it would be reasonably difficult for someone to remove and modify it to fit a real gun, to the point where they may as well make one from scratch. Mine would probably burst if you shot a real .30 cal round through it. It's just aluminum, and the last baffle is just press fit in.
Is that so, smartass? Then how come I can buy NUMEROUS airguns online shipped to my house that are suppressed? Like I said, Gamo, Benjamin, lots of others sell airguns with integral suppressors that are not NFA.
Lucas Jones
I can buy airsoft crap thats also come with supresors.
Nolan Wood
Airgun/Airsoft suppressor are a somewhat gray area. Major manufacturers send the designs into the ATF and get judgment letters saying they are ok. If your home brew one doesn't have said letter, it's open for interpretation by whomever is inspecting it. If they decide your shroud/dust collector/etc. could be readily adapted to a firearm, then you are fugged. The metal washers and aluminum construction are concerning. I would hazard a guess that if the metal washers were replaced with thin fiber ones that would instantly be destroyed by a firearm, but just stout enough to hold up to the air rifle muzzle blast, it might be considered ok, but maybe not.
Joseph Collins
With out a tech branch examination and letter, your fucked.
At my public shooting range, suppressors are explicitly banned for no reason other than spite
Aiden Robinson
Dont even have to be readily adaptable, "nature of construction/design" is enough to be ruled an nfa item
Camden Morales
No airgun manufacturers get permission letters from the ATF. You just made that shit up. If it can't be removed and put on a gun, it's fine. FURTHERMORE this court case set precedent that the device must be MADE for a firearm.
Show me one example of anyone getting their airgun suppressor examined and approved.
Dominic Gray
>Why is it so hard for Americans to get a suppressor? Long story short, we gave women the right to vote, one of the first things they did was ban alcohol. LOL crime happened cause people still wanna drink, so instead of just letting people drink they tried to tax guns into the ground (200 USD was a lot of money in 1934). Eventually booze came back but the NFA stuck around.
Prove it! There is nothing on their website or anywhere else saying that they got their designs approved by the ATF. It just says it's a non-removable sound dampener, which is what makes it legal, being non-removable without practically destroying it. The ATF literally won't rule on airgun suppressors since they don't have the authority. There is actually a law preventing federal agencies from trearting airguns like firearms. I'll try to find it.
Bottom line is this court case:
Brayden Phillips
Just buy an urn for your dog now, pre planning for the raid
Chase Miller
Troll
Jose Ward
What I have is no worse than a Benjamin Marauder (which has baffles). You can't prove otherwise, or even cite precedent that shows anything otherwise could be possible. Don't promote FUDD. People should buy more suppressed big bore airguns, while they still can....
Aaron Robinson
why do it in the first place instead?
rights and stuff
Joseph Evans
RETARD
Easton Phillips
Knock knock
Cooper Flores
Guys, I just checked. In my country you don't need any license or approval to buy suppressor. WTF.
Tyler Edwards
They’re afraid widespread adoption would lead to an epidemic of hitmen armed with silent guns shooting little children in the back of the heads
Brandon Martin
wow ok dude
Ethan Kelly
>pic >not "EEEEEEE"
Daniel Brown
Would a 7075 aluminum momicore with only a small blast chamber be sufficient for a 16-20" 223?
>why is it so hard for Americans to get suppressors. Because Norway is smart, whilst the US continues to drop in standards.
To be fair though it also worries me and a lot of other people if the non- indigenous African people got a hold on them. Since most violence within them are at a closer range, they could get one and 45strong instead of 40s&w and be quiet with its application
Jonathan Harris
>that pic What the hell am I looking at here? Couldn't you cover the entire "muzzle" break and effectively make it a suppressor
Ryder Watson
They are from some random website but the exact same thing can be found at almost half price on the Wish app. I have my stamp and was going to go with formed plug baffles, but now I want to just get one of these and thread it outside and put a steel tube around it.
Btw I have my form 1 approved. ATF pls go.
Nathan Collins
>There is actually a law preventing federal agencies from trearting airguns like firearms.
>Why is it so hard for Americans to get a suppressor?
Because politicians in the US and Canada watch too many movies. Coupled with the fact they're far too arrogant to understand their preconceived notion of something might be wrong.
Huge piss off for me. I have a few designs I've thought up over the years. I technically could get a business licence and make them still. But the market in Canada would be Military/law enforcement and theatrical bullshit. All who likely already have solutions if they need suppressors. Not really worth starting a business to go head to head with long time manufacturers in a bid to produce 8 suppressors for a police ERT.
However it is one of those inconsistencies I use to point out how flawed gun control is. Anti's like to say it's "common sense" etc. If it's common sense why are there so many disparities? Why is that suppressors are flat out illegal for most Canadians. Heavily regulated in the US. Yet in the UK and Europe, not only are they available they're encouraged. >normies literally don't know what to say since they think guns are illegal everywhere but the US and Canada.
Benjamin Fisher
just posting the waterbottle suppressor a dude posted here a few months ago 1/2
Basically this. I explain to them that it's like driving around without a muffler because there's a $200 tax stamp and 1.5 year wait on mufflers. It's louder for everyone but worst for the with the pipe blasting right under him
But in the game of "reasonable compromise", reason is ignored and since the left have nothing to lose, only the 2nd amendment can be comprised. Neither side wants to give an inch but only one side ever does
Can you imagine your family is starving, and the government's solution to help you, is to outlaw suppressors because they're worried you'll go on government land and poach to feed your family?
God forbid hungry people be able to feed themselves through easily renewable resources
Thomas Davis
That's an exception listed within the law I'm talking about. The receiver can't be readily convertible to a firearm receiver. Let me help you understand:
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives states that:
The term "firearm" is defined in the Gun Control Act of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Section 921(a)(3), to include "(A) any weapon (including a starter gun), which will, or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon...." Based on Section 921(a)(3), air guns, because they use compressed air and not an explosive to expel a projectile, do not constitute firearms under Federal law — unless they are manufactured with the frames or receivers of an actual firearm. Accordingly, the domestic sale and possession of air guns is normally unregulated under the Federal firearms laws enforced by ATF.
Jason Morris
*monocore
Sorry I'm retarded.
Angel James
Problem is, that's about the level of 'logic' at which members of governments and bureaucracies work at. They're functionally retarded. What anyone with a career in government soon learns is how to game the system such that they have job security and don't get noticed too much. Blending in is a rather specialized skill, and one which those kind of people are able to learn, even if they're basically useless for much else. Talking in reasonable tones about sensible things to such people is like pissing into a strong wind. Just not very likely to accomplish anything useful.
So make your own. Learn some machine skills, and make your own. It's not all that hard to render something useful, and with practice you can make something really quite good. Silencertalk forum has a lot of good images to work from.
William Hill
>>Why is it so hard for Americans to get a suppressor?
Cubicle warming bureaucrats demand that you pay for everything. If it's something they don't want you to have, you pay more.
Liam Mitchell
>Cubicle warming bureaucrats Cunts, in other words. People who couldn't be bothered finding anything useful to do with their lives. I've met more than enough bureaucrats to know they're an entirely useless breed. Society would be very slightly less well ordered but almost infinitely more enjoyable if they all vanished.
