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>MP7 is getting more popular

Considering socom is dropping it for a 5.5 inch sig AR in 300 blackout due to too many casualties from guys getting killed while using it. Id say the Mp7 is finished other then for faggot Uk police and other non .mil.

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HK got burned (twice if I recall) trying to sell rifles to the civilian market. Imagine you've got a cargo ship loaded up with neutered rifles only to find out while in harbor that the laws changed and they need to be neutered in a different way

Now you've got a bunch of guns specifically designed for a market that no longer exists

And the M4s
And the m16s
And the 240s
And the SCARs
On and on it goes. h&k sucks

HK makes the m4s, M27s, and the M16s for the US starting late last year because Colt couldn’t fix problems with them dealing with coarse sand maintenance.

>HK got burned (twice if I recall) trying to sell rifles to the civilian market. Imagine you've got a cargo ship loaded up with neutered rifles only to find out while in harbor that the laws changed and they need to be neutered in a different way
That's really sad to hear.

>Now you've got a bunch of guns specifically designed for a market that no longer exists
I wouldn't be too sure about that desu. Subguns have been going up in popularity the past few years where we're seeing more and more MP5 clones. The fact that new HK subguns are getting scalped also points toward them underserving the market.

So is the MK 23 a meme gun or is it actually worth it?

both

>Flip flops on if their guns should be sold to civilians.
>Stupid as fuck requirements for retailers to have the "honor" of being an "authorized HK dealer"
That will always rustle my jimmies.
Good guns though. HK45C is currently making my dick diamonds.
The polymer that they use feels stupidly good too. Makes metal frame fudds forget it's polymer.
>leading Assault Rifle maker
So what grade do you start next semester?

Do you want an expensive gigantic match grade pistol that has survived anything thrown at it?

no those contracts are held by FNH usa.

I'm not saying the demand stops existing, but import law changes the features of a firearm that's legal to import. If the law changes before you unload your products, you're left with rifles that have features specific to a market that no longer exists. You can try to alter them to abide by new laws but that's not going to make you much if any money. And you never know when they next executive order or legislation will fuck you again. Best option is obviously to manufacture the firearms in America to avoid import restrictions but that wasn't feasible at the time and most people wouldn't want to build a factory in a county that just passed new restrictions

I'm an avid handgun shooter with essentially no experience with HK (fired 5 shots out of a USP in 9 as part of a training exercise, was pleased with it) and I've been looking to purchase one of their pistols. I'm not a poorfag and money isn't an issue, but value for the price is.

I'm looking for something full size in 9mm, with the largest capacity possible, good accuracy, and features distinctive to HK, if there are any. The only expensive shit I care about is precision handgun shooting. I'm willing to consider something pricy if it's especially suitable for that, but more looking for one of HK's entry level pistols to see how I like the brand. Any suggestions?

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Hammer or striker?

HK400 series?
It’s a licensed manufacture just like all the companies that were licensed to make the M1 Garand. The US Military is switching over to the HK400series starting this year with M27 for USMC. Also new M4 style rifles for DHS are bought solely through HK in their 400series

Reliability and CCW primarily P2000. Otherwise go for the P30 series (hammer) or Vp9 series (striker). Both have custom hand fit tech and are soft shooters

HK400series is replacing all the M4/16 models. The Army doesn’t know if they want to call it M4A5/6 M16A5/6 or give them their own MK number like the M27 was given to the USMC rifle.

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MP7 is to an Uzi as the P90 is to a MP5. MP7 is better at penetrating bulletproof glass, very compact and concealable which makes it very effective in super close CQB. The issue is that it is not as good as penetrating body armor as a 5.7 has a low capacity and uses UMP stock tech, while ironically the bullet itself costs a lot more than the 5.7 to make.

Truth hurts don't it?

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That why it is designed to be Painless.

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Preference for hammer, but striker is acceptable when the other features are right.

The P30 and P2000 both look like what I'm after. Thanks, dudes.

>citation needed

I chuckled desu. Unfortunately, you're still wrong :^)

HK is a meme that only exists because the german tax payer pays the premiums to make those government bailed out welfare queens stay afloat. much like Colt incidentally.

>Fixes US Government/Military firearm problems

? They didn't fix anything, they copied an American design and resold it for 3 times the price

>leading Assault Rifle maker

When is the last time they made a successful assault rifle that isn't an american design?

>owns the title of having the most used submachine in the world currently

They do make good submachine guns

>leader in polymer technology

Don't know enough about polymer to comment on that

I will say as an American who's drowning in quality home grown AR-15s im not sure there is anything HK could offer me in that regard.

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Yeah totally, they could sell at least 8 of those.

It's a meme. Not terribly collectible since they still make them, and isn't markedly better than a USP 45 Tactical.

Beretta > All

>voids warranty because you didn't have your gun inspected every 2k rounds by the factory.

>Considering socom is dropping it for a 5.5 inch sig AR in 300 blackout due to too many casualties from guys getting killed while using it.
Ja you're going to need to source that.

Border Patrol needed to upgrade their ARs because of the Mexicans, they gave HK the schemes of their rifkes and HK fixed it. Mexicans became very angry that HK helped the Border Patrol

G36c and XM8

The AR platform designs are being introduced into more guns because they cost significantly less than the G3 and FAL platforms to make and have more or less the same performance and reliability. But HK has the advantage in rate of fire and overheating protection, which is why NATO is merging the AR platform with a G3 receiver to make a freakin Frankenstein gun platform

HK made the first polymer handgun vp70

>leader in polymer technology

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>HK made the first polymer handgun vp70

Nope. Polymer framed Makarov.

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Hk Perfection

Failure in Polymer tech aka Glock Perfection
Wrong
personaldefenseworld.com/2018/02/hk-vp70-pistol/

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None of what you said is true. Go back to r*ddit.

Do some research and F off to /MLP/ and or reditt. You obliviously don’t pay attention to shot show or HK’s own press. Goodbye

That's a metal part user. And while HK and Glock can both kaboom, HK are the only guns that can be twisted apart by mechanical force.

Also TKB-023 came out in 1963. Your own article says that VP70 came out in 1970. Sorry but HK didn't develop that particular innovation. Like Glock, they both came after the polymer makarov.

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>TKB-023 was never issued especially not fielded. It was a protype. That would being saying that the Colt OHWS was the first offensive handgun

which police was it that got custom semi auto only MP7s? if only someone there could import a bunch to the US

Any gun can be twisted apart with enough torque with strong grip on the frame.

And how exactly did HK upgrade the ARs in any meaningful or revolutionary way that your average AR-15 vendor in the states hadn't already?

>piston?
Nope, HK took the design from the AR-18, and it certainly was not the first piston ar-15

>Free floated rail
Not the inventor of that either

So what exactly did they do?

>G36c and XM8

Average at best, there's several reasons why no military adopted either in any meaningful number

>But HK has the advantage in rate of fire and overheating protection

Care to elaborate?

>Wife says she wants her own handgun for the nightstand
>Go to LGS, she handles a few, picks VP9
>Nice, I wanted to get one anyway
>Tell her great choice, HK are very high quality
>Bring it to range first time
>Tons of FTE and malfunction
>She's a bit discouraged, "None of your other guns do that user!"
>Tell her don't worry it could be the ammo, or it needs to break in
>Try other ammo, still tons of malfunction, like the ammo is too weak to cycle
>Over 200rds in, so it's not break in
>Never had a problem with WWB, S&B, American Eagle, all the regular 9mm in any of my other 9mm
>Finally get it to function mostly reliably shooting hotter 9mm NATO and +P home defense rounds
>WTF
>Wife thinks I'm an idiot for telling her how good a gun it was, and wants something else cause she doesn't trust it
>I don't really blame her

Thanks HK

Picture of gun or you are a LARPing faggot.

WHERE ARE MY 20 ROUND MAGAZINE FOR THE HK45C!!! GIVE ME MY EXTENDED MAGAZINE ALREADY!!!

This is a troll or you are a retard who doesn’t know about oiling guns and cleaning them

I'm being serious. I read online they switched the VP9 from the original recoil spring to the VP40 recoil spring. People say it should break in, but WTF how many rounds? I've lubed the shit out of it, left it overnight with slide locked.

I'm not going to have my wife use this for her nightstand gun if it won't be reliable.

I have XDm, M&P, Glock all in 9mm. Also FNX45. All have been reliable from the first round, shooting all the common/cheap range loads.

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See I'm not a nogunz retard. I have plenty of other guns, plenty of experience. If anything, I'm overly OCD about proper maintenance, lubrication, cleaning.

First time I've had an issue with any handgun. Maybe it will break in, I don't know.

It was my wife's first gun, and she's kinda bummed and has no faith in it being reliable.

This isn't bullshit. The P30/VP9 series are known for being heavily sprung from the factory and his description sounds like that was the problem. Especially considering he was having FTEs with the less hot ammo. My P30L did the same thing for the first 3-400 rounds, but eventually cleared up and can shoot that same ammo without a single FTE.

JUST

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>border patrol
>buying the XM8
nah bro.

>le image of damaged gun with no context
Why do people do this?

Still doesn't change the fact that HK didn't make the first polymer framed handgun. The VP70 was hardly popular either. By your logic would Glocks be the first polymer framed handguns?

Had a USP and VP9 and they were both turds with shitty triggers and reliability issues out of the box...HK is the single most overrated gun company that has ever existed and survive purely off tricking people with their marketing

The only handgun I ever shot that consistently jammed on me was a USP 45. Couldn't get through one mag without a stovepipe or FTE. I was told it had a fresh recoil spring in it too.

Colion Noir interviewed HK’s US #2 guy. A department, which if you start reading on HK forms points to the Border Patrol. Border patrol’s ARs were not up to par with dealing with the Southern Border nor with the Mexicans that used M4/16, Scorpions, MP5s etc. So the department asked to make mods, which HK did and basically the US border patrol only buys HK ARs now. The G36 receiver shoots faster than m4’s because it has a patented cycling system maintains the kinetic force better which in return puts less stress on the receiver which would have to work harder to maintain that velocity. And also they use Cold forged cannon grade barrels which keep the velocity more stable in the barrel as well as having a higher heat tolerance than normal barrels.

youtu.be/bDH25dFEzzM

>Man fell off ATV onto gun
>Gun twisted in holster and snapped in half

Now you're up to speed

The border patrol buys a special order customized HK416.

I think the VP70 was the first polymer framed striker fired handgun

Glocks were designed in the late 70s a decade after VP70 was designed and 8 years after the vp70 was issued, so that argument is beyond wrong. The tarkov was a proto-type and never issued nor manufactured, they were test weapons that never were completed.

I’ve shot over 2000rds of 230g and 100rds of HST through my USP45. No problems except for one of the pro-mags I had was defective causing the mag release to tighten up.

clip your mainspring one coil at a time until it functions with your preferred ammo.

Don't do this shit. Just keep shooting it and it'll break in.

No. They don't. They issue the P2000 in .40 S&W and issue Colt M4 carbines. The USBP is already strapped for cash, why the hell would they waste money buying a gun that does the exact thing as the guns they already issue?

Use used mags. VP/
Watch and cry me a river. Also the border patrol now use Sig 226/9 in .357sig because 40 wasn’t fast enough.
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You stupid nigger he doesn't say shit about the US Border Patrol in that video. He just says a US gov agency (1st SFG OD-D) asked them to make a better M4. This is common knowledge.

If you read HK forms, the evidence points to the border patrol because they are being out gunned by the Mexicans in extreme environments. They have there HK416s customer made by HK.

/MLP/ is calling for you

>the evidence points to the border patrol because they are being out gunned by the Mexicans in extreme environments
>trusting rando assholes on a fan boy forum
Larry Vickers (the guy who worked on the development of the H&K 416) says you're wrong. The 416 was developed specifically at the request of Delta force because M4's with 10.3" barrels did not suppress well and they wanted an M4 that could be reliably suppressed with short barrels.

The guy who helped design the thing lays it out right here:

youtube.com/watch?v=n7TSiMJen98

samefag.

Border patrol bought custom made M4s which have a g36 receiver. The only difference is cosmetic. It’s basically a modified 416 designated as an M4. The only thing that you said was when the 416 was made. I said that it is a modified 416 because it functions more like the 416, but with more m4 parts ie stock, selector switch etc. Listen to the video the guy is from HK and is the #2 guy in the US. So once again back to /MLP/ or you can head for /y/. The choice is yours. Goodbye.

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>Border patrol bought custom made M4s which have a g36 receiver.
Ok, you're obviously retarded.
>I said that it is a modified 416 because it functions more like the 416, but with more m4 parts ie stock, selector switch etc.
All a 416 is, is a G36 gas piston on an M4.
>Listen to the video the guy is from HK and is the #2 guy in the US.
And he said fuck all about the border patrol or a "416 with a G36 receiver"

Is being a mouth breathing retard the new meme on Jow Forums?

No. A 416 is a M4 body with a g36 receiver, selector, barrel, stock, iron sights etc. It was made for delta force yes because they were more comfortable using AR platform than the G3 platform. Also using m4 parts is cheaper than using g36 parts like 3 times cheaper. It was an improvement on the m4 as well as a way to save money, while not sacrificing performance. Screw /MLP/ F off to /y/

>A 416 is a M4 body with a g36 receiver, selector, barrel, stock, iron sights etc.
No. You retard.

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Yes it is. A stock 416 has mostly G36 parts, but the 416 has the ability to accept m4/16 parts. Back to /y/ for you. Also the photo is of Scott Steiner meme. It maybe too old for you to understand.

>Yes it is. A stock 416 has mostly G36 parts, but the 416 has the ability to accept m4/16 parts.
>G36 parts
>being interchangeable with M4 parts
You stupid motherfucker I posted a picture of a literal HK416A5. Does that look like a G36 receiver, stock, rail, or any other part?

We should ban high capacity chromosomes.

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Out. /y/

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch_HK416

Maybe you should go back to your fellow comrade on /y/.

Tell me what in that wikipedia article supports your mind numbingly retarded assertions.

Better yet why don’t you actually produce articles that disagree because all you are doing is whining saying that I am wrong, but you can’t back it up. Because the articles I have posted completely call out your BS:

“The HK416 is equipped with a proprietary accessory rail forearm with MIL-STD-1913 rails on all four sides. This lets most current accessories for M4/M16-type weapons fit the HK416.”

It has a piston similar to the AR18 and G36. It uses a modified G36 receiver which accepts the G36 internal parts.

If you don’t want to research things and only want to whine and complain in order to save face, fine be my guest; however, do it on /y/.

>Better yet why don’t you actually produce articles that disagree because all you are doing is whining saying that I am wrong,
I gave you a video of the Delta Force R&D NCO at the time of the 416's development explaining to you what it is you fucking mong.
>It has a piston similar to the AR18 and G36.
Yes. That and some small parts to make a short stroke piston work in an AR receiver are all it has that's different from an M4
>It uses a modified G36 receiver which accepts the G36 internal parts.
What part of this rifle looks like an M4 to you?
youtube.com/watch?v=FuLKsB6lNto
>If you don’t want to research things and only want to whine and complain in order to save face,
el oh el

You don't seem to understand what the word "receiver" means. Europeans should be banned.

The upper part is an AR platform that uses the g36 barrel. The frame is based off the AR. The lower receiver is a modified g36 which is miles fitted into a AR frame which accepts g36 internal parts. The buffer tube on the frame is similar to a AR buffer tube which is why it can accept m4/16 parts. The 416’s stock stock is an improved g36 stock, which the US military requested to be removed and replaced with their m4 stock.

I like my 45C quite a bit. If I see a USP anytime soon I'll probably buy it... I regret selling my old one... that being said rifle wise

Though I'll probably buy an 516 from Sig.

The article literally states that it is built on an ar15 receiver with a gas piston system derived from a G36, which originally came from an ar18. Nowhere does it say it uses a G36 receiver. G36 receivers don't look anything like ar15 receivers. How are you even arguing this point? Do you understand what a receiver is?

lol wut, all of this is wrong

they're so fucking in debt they're trading junk bonds to survive. none of the weapons they've delivered to the german army even work.

Stop. You don't even know the basic terminology of what you're talking about and you keep doubling down on your retardation. You're wrong. Everything you've posted as proven you wrong.

Pic related is a G36 receiver. Notice how it looks nothing like the HK416 pictured here ? That's because the HK416 uses an ar15 receiver. Which country are you from??

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>MP7 is getting more popular than the p90 is

the mp7 was bought by a limited number of customers when it was first released. as far as anyone can tell, it's getting dropped. the new pdw requests that are going out fill the mp7 role, which implies it's dead in the water.