Can we take a few moments here to have a thread that appreciates how stupid humanity has been with weapons development
>took the west nearly 500 years just to figure out the basic aerodynamics of a pointed bullet being superior to a round nose one
>took slightly less time to figure out small bore bullets were plenty effective to incapacitate someone, albeit with the help of smokeless powder
>took fucking forever to figure out how to put powder, ignition, and bullet in a non paper cartridge
Can we take a few moments here to have a thread that appreciates how stupid humanity has been with weapons development
Jacob Cox
Jason Hall
Can we take a moment to realize how OP is a faggot? Technology isn't developed at a constant rate.
Jason Foster
ITT: It's another kid taking modern machining, production, and metallurgy for granted and calling people from 200 years ago stupid for not having a cnc.
Jackson Wood
Obviously fucking not but that doesn't stop inventors from realizing obvious shit. I mean you have to sit down and think with all the great minds of the rennaissance actively at work, not one person sat down and showed gun makers that a pointed object is more aerodynamic than a ball?
Nigger what
Literally everything I pointed out WAS accomplished 200 years ago without modern machining you fucking retard. Which means it could have been accomplished pretty easily even earlier than that.
Andrew Johnson
>showed gun makers that a pointed object is more aerodynamic than a ball?
you fucking nigger. the classic ideal aerodynamic shape since antiquity has been the raindrop - something that is heavy towards the front and rounded.
Sebastian Baker
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took the west nearly 500 years just to figure out the basic aerodynamics of a pointed bullet being superior to a round nose one
A ball is fairly aerodynamic, miniballs had more to do with accuracy and tipped bullets were harder to produce than round
>took slightly less time to figure out small bore bullets were plenty effective to incapacitate someone, albeit with the help of smokeless powder
If you have only one shot and it can't be propelled very fast then you should make it big and reduce your chances of needing a follow up
>took fucking forever to figure out how to put powder, ignition, and bullet in a non paper cartridge
It would have been too difficult to produce for a long time and interchangeable parts is a newer concept. Imagine how hard it would have been to sell cased ammunition if you could only get them from one supplier to the right spec and he had to deliver them to you by carriage at 5 mph.
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Robert Allen
This right here
Hudson Morales
Nigger you are retarded as fuck.
>wasn't necessary for most of that time because of shit velocity, shit barrels, and shit propellants gimping effective accuracy and range. Flatter nosed bullets fucked shit up better too. Besides they were introducing pointier bullets by the 1830s at the latest
>Smokeless powder wasn't developed until the end of the 1800s you literal retard, small bore spitzers would've been tarded before that point.
>what the fuck are developments in metallurgy, chemistry, and production motherfucker?!?!? again, a tarded fucking idea before the mid to late 1800s.
Brayden Walker
Spitzers were irrelevant/inferior prior to smokeless and were invented basically as soon as smokeless was
Eli Morgan
>simple use of springs and use of weapons own energy to eject casing and load next round
Came after
>use of springs and pulleys rivaling that of a rolex
Nolan Roberts
For starters the realization that combat happens at shorter ranges happen not that long after spitzers came along with the main benefit of Spitzer being extended range. The viability of small bore cartridges was also known but the require velocity to be effective which required pressure that the metallurgy of the time wasn't ready for. They also needed jackets
Magazines were around before the self contained cartridge and autoloaders were in the works before smokeless powder. Don't be too retarded to understand that ideas can become reality with no development or requirements in between
Ryan Hall
>not one person sat down and showed gun makers that a pointed object is more aerodynamic than a ball?
but that's fucking wrong until you go supersonic.
There's a reason fighter jets have pointy noses and airliners have round nose, and you bet your ass airlines would do any ridiculous shit to save a tenth of a percent of fuel consumption.
It wasn't until better propellants were developed that there arose a need for pointi bois
Brody Long
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Chase Evans
Only when not accounting for supersonic speeds, which didn't really exist with a lot of rounds for a long fucking time.
Justin Cooper
Was about to post this, thanks user
Alexander Lopez
*snap*
You dumb nigger.
Carson Hughes
Lincoln Lopez
The problem wasn't "figuring it out" it was making a case that worked and was cheap enough to be disposable. There were guns for a long time that took their won cartridge that was made of iron and reusable.
Joshua Wood
Just to add to the flood of "you're wrong" the first integrated paper cartridge was 1808 and the first integrated metallic cartridge was invented a little over a decade later.
Metallic cases themsrlves existed all the way back in the 1600s but they weren't economical. It's not that people were idiots (present company excluded), it's just that requisite technologies to make it practical didn't exist yet. Manufacturing, metal mining and refining etc all had to come a long way to make it cheap enough to be practical.
Elijah Clark
>200 years ago
spitzer bullets only became common about 115 years ago, and round-nose bullets weren't unusual even in wwii
you're leaving out the fact that vital developments in other fields were necessary for all of this, most notably metallurgy, but also chemical science, manufacturing capabilities, brass drawing techniques...there were semi-autos made when black powder was still common, but got fucked up by fouling way too fast. same principle elsewhere, just because somebody has the idea doesn't mean the field is ready yet
>i.e. lee navy
Kevin Reyes
>the west
Sorry, were the Indochinese using armor piercing rounds before we even knew about it?