Is the adaptiv even worth it

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptiv

i mean what are the upsides, whats to stop them from just turning off thermal and seeing a fucking tank anyways

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Hard to PID a tank from far away

The only possibly way this could be used to some effect is to make all of your vehicles in a column look similar so that the enemy has to work out which vehicles are tanks and which are SPAA/IFVs etc.

Can you make it look like a school bus?

user, it's pretty difficult to see tanks with EO, unless you're really close, and in my field we're pretty fucking far away. Same things with most vehicles, unless they're unnaturally shaped.

it seems pointless if you can just hide the thermals completely anyways.

Plus optic camo which... is actually insanely easy to accomplish. Just make a flexible plasma cover with stereoscopic displays and riddle it with cameras. You could actually make something like this TODAY with OVER THE COUNTER TECH (of course, custom software)

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>it seems pointless if you can just hide the thermals completely anyways.
Missiles with dual-mode sensors are more likely to be confused by a target that appears to be a civillian vehicle than one which has no signature at all.

Optical recognition isn't used by anything serious and hasn't been for a long time.

Pic related work as good for tenth the price.

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>Optical recognition isn't used by anything serious and hasn't been for a long time.
> hasn't been for a long time.
What the fuck are you talking about? hasn't been for a long time? You realize it takes some advanced AI algorithms to determine something optically right?

Sometimes I think you guys pretend to be retarded on purpose.

If you defeat thermal, IR, radar, acoustics, what else do you have but visual tracking? Seismic possibly but you need to place senors down first (which could easily be done with drones but still)

Visualllssss
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Normal effective combat range for a tank is between 3500m and 5000m. Camo-netting and classic camouflage techniques can hide a tank or APC pretty well in woodland terrain.

It is all about breaking up that silhouette and getting that ambush on an approaching army. Drones with thermals, jet-planes with optical packages and thermal sights on standard IFVs are becoming a standard for most armed forces in the world. It is for those armed forces you design your army to fight against, not the guerilla forces of Afghanistan or other third world nation with 1960s tier systems.

That'd just encourage them to shoot even more.

>whats to stop them from just turning off thermal and seeing a fucking tank anyways

Probably the same reason they have the thermal in the first place.

How can you still see the trees when it's on

According to wiki it can simulate foliage too, probably looks more obvious at higher resolution

That car looks fake as fuck, every front engined car that has been used in the last few hours has a hot front and a cold rear.
If parked on level ground, you can even see how the ground gets warmed up.
>inb4 change the fake signature
Doesn't work either, since you would be able to see that signature like a torch, inspect it with conventional night vision tech and spot the tank from miles away.

They use IR imaging, not optical.

>whats to stop them from just turning off thermal and seeing a fucking tank anyways
If you're having to use thermal optics then you may well be in a position where you aren't able to see the tank with a standard Mk. 1 Eyeball.

user, i think the point is to buy a few seconds of precious time

i mean it's not like a tank gunner is going to see that and think

>oh that sedan right next to the 4 infantry platoons firing at us is totally a normal sedan and not a tank using the active infrared camouflage they always talk aboue

it's more along the lines of

>fuck there they are, infantry there, infantry there, WHERE THE FUCK IS THE TANK, car, car, building, infantry... car-OH SHIT THAT'S NOT A CAR IT'S A TANK SHOOT SHOOT

Thermal cameras can show hotspots in a seperate color, meaning they can find the engine verry fast.
Pic somewhat related, not a car but a oven.
Principle is the same, you see the hotspot where the oven vents out heated air.

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The tank would have to match the temperatures of the surrounding cars perfectly, if it is off only by 1-2°C it gets marked by the thermal camera as a hotspot.

yes user, but the idea isn't to fool the gunner into thinking the tank is a car, the idea is to momentarily instill doubt as to whether the car is an actual car or just a tank, just enough time being given for the camouflaged tank to take a shot. for that the rough outline of a car is sufficient.

As I pointed out the red marked hot spots are quite obvious.

>The tank would have to match the temperatures of the surrounding cars perfectly, if it is off only by 1-2°C it gets marked by the thermal camera as a hotspot.

Given that cars aren't always all the same temperature, this sounds like a good way to drown your crew in false positives until they either stop giving a fuck or run out of ammo.

During nighttime cars cool down to the same temperatures when not used.

I wanted to post something snarky but then i thought about it and holy shit is this going to be effective. Imagine sitting in a trench at night looking over the surroundings, looking for tanks so no stealthy cunts creep up on you. You're never going to pay attention to an obvious car a few kilometers away unless it starts shooting at you.

That bitch had a lot of potential, musically, ended up being druggy fag hag radical post modern feminist cranking out horrid pop music instead. What a nasty piece of filth.

Meaning every car which is in use, has been somewhat recently used or has a heater running will give your crew a big, red oh fuck sign to worry about.

If you realy want to fool a thermal camera, create false signatures:
>sew in NiCr wire in some sheets
>plug into car battery
There is your fake thermal signature of whatever you want it to be.

>Just make a flexible plasma cover with stereoscopic displays
Surely that won't have a distinct optical reflection that could be homed in on or anything

No, it shows pretty precisely where the engine sits and heats the ground.
You see that instantly on thermal images.

Missiles with dual-mode sensors are more likely to be confused by a target that appears to be a civillian vehicle than one which has no signature at all.
Why?

conflict between sensors

>air to air missile with infrared and radar homing
>infrared sensor says missile is on target, radar says no target
>missile uses infrared sensor

>radar says missile is on target, infared says no target
>missile uses radar

>radar says missile is going to undershoot the target and infrared sensor says missile is on target
>which sensor does the missile listen to?
>if it averages the inputs it will miss
>if it listens to the wrong sensor it will miss

see?

Can someone explain the war legality of this? Wouldn't engaging while disguised as a civilian be illegal? It would be the same as a soldier wearing a nike shirt and jeans to not seem like a combatant. Would they have to turn the system off before engaging? Pretending to be civilians while still actively taking part in combat operations is illegal and just plain wrong. Would you not also see a spike in civilian casualties because crews could engage what they imagine is an enemy vehicle but really just a sedan.

Nigga that's for industrial thermal imaging. In the field with military gear you're not going to have that kind of resolution. You're literally just trying to separate hot from cold pixels and trying to identify smudges.

Why would a slightly different thermal profile cause a missile to miss? Or are you suggesting it's confusing two different targets?

Nobody is actually preparing for a war with someone who will play by the rules. I mean fuck that's why they make sure to call them interventions and humanitarian missions instead of wars.

>tank looks like car
Neat!

Is that Grimes? What makes you say she had potential?

Even consumer grade thermal cameras can do that, industrial and military grade will perform significantly better.

>military grade will perform significantly better.
oh user

If we're talking IR in particular, they have an onboard memory of vehicle configurations to know whats armor, whats a light skinned truck, whats a SPAAG, etc etc.

If its getting back a return that doesn't match any of those, it doesn't see it as a target. Thats specifically what it searches for.

Civi detected.

What if they look at the tank from a slightly different angle?

COMPLETE BULLSHIT! The picture shown shows two different vehicles in two different locations!

>effective combat range for a tank is between 3500m and 5000m.
>effective
lol ya right, so why do the crews boresight for 1600m, practice battlesight engagements(500m) religiously, as well as gunnery at

If it's an image guided missile like a javelin or a maverick it literally looks for shapes. You lock on to some pattern and the missile tries to keep its target designator pointing at that pattern as it approaches.

>they can find the engine verry fast.
not only that, you can spot the exhaust up to 20m ABOVE the tank(like on the backside of a hill or in a ravine if it's running

Ya... aren't there international laws against this?

Like soldiers have to be in uniform, not civilian clothing. Or medical relief teams. Reasoning is that it turns civilians into targets.

This type of shit can only be used by ISIS.

Makes sense considering these countries keep arming them.

It'd give me an erection so I suppose the idea is to distract me so my aim is off