Vat grown muscle suits are a radical concept but are a more realistic powered armor concept than atomic backpacks

Yup. Like I said all organs can be artificially produce now a days. Nutrient concentrait instead of batteries a dyalisis machine instead of kidneys. Half the need organs can be waiting at a maintenance bay.

>Like I said all organs can be artificially produce now a days.

No, they can't, and if I'm wrong I would ask you to prove your bullshit claim with an actual piece of scientific literature and not an infowars link.

Seems to me like a body that huge would require a ton of food to keep going, and if it gets shot through the heart it would rot pretty fast and be unsalvageable.

>muscle don't alleviate the need for a power supply
I actually think he might be on to something. Batteries are just too heavy. And human bodies can go days without food and still be combat effective. I imagine a purpose built "exo-body" could potentially be stronger and more efficient.

why not just genetically alter fat people?

What year are you typing from? Its called life support and yes there is an artificial replacement for every major organ. Thats with machines not talking about vat grown stiff. Nutrient delivery, electro manipulation and toxin removal have been a thing for a minute or two.

Heres a working circulatory system.
youtu.be/crGa0XDbSBQ

That's like calling the wiring in my house a "working nervous system".

lol no it's not, not even OP but that's a garbage strawman.

Muscles have the distinct advantage of being able to use glucose/atp for fuel rather than shitty li-po batteries. A human can work all day on just the amount of fuel in a couple of meals.

Muscles are literally super advanced nanotech that converts chemical energy into mechanical force on the molecular level.

>building your suit out of muscle don't alleviate the need for a power supply.
You don't need an external power supply, idiot. Where are your 80lbs of batteries to keep you moving through the day?
>stomach and shit
Used to process raw materials into fuel, and still much more mass-efficient than banks of batteries.

You could just lug around a bucket of sugar (which has many times the energy density of rechargable batteries) and a small biochemical plant on your back made specifically to power your exoskeleton. This is actually really clever.

Other than contrarian bantz. Whats the hurdle you see here. I aint a scientist just a dude what binged ted talks n shit and lurks mech threads.

My theory here is based on what I see happing. Proved working tech. None of that well if the battery tech matures or if only we had battletech nano quantum shit. Then Im putting it together like lego.

Chimp muscles are largely incapable of the fine motor skills that we are. They're either relaxed or in use, 0 or 100%sort of thing.

There is no hurdle that user is just a moron. But R&D takes a lot of time and money so you're not gonna see anything like it anytime soon. Even if the concept is solid, the execution can prove difficult or impossible - hence why engineers exist.

>nano quantum shit
What do you think muscles are, exactly?

That's bullshit. They might have less fine motor control due to different wiring, but pretty much every animal has fine motor control. You literally cannot function without it.

the nice thing about this concept is you could make them with tons of redundant vital systems. Multiple hearts, a circulatory system that automatically and rapidly clots / restricts itself if it is severed in a critical area, biological auto injectors that contain chemicals to counteract things like nerve agents etc etc. It could be supplied with extremely efficient food too as you could precision tailor the "digestive" system of the unit to work with a specific food source as efficiently as possible. The problem is the massive insane amount of research and development that would go into making this even remotely doable.

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I was talking out my ass but I was right:
>Walker's hypothesis stems partly from a finding by primatologist Ann MacLarnon. MacLarnon showed that, relative to body mass, chimps have much less grey matter in their spinal cords than humans have. Spinal grey matter contains large numbers of motor neurons—nerves cells that connect to muscle fibers and regulate muscle movement.
>More grey matter in humans means more motor neurons, Walker proposes. And having more motor neurons means more muscle control.
sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090330200829.htm

It's a wiring thing.

ALS isn't an organ you fucking idiot. Stop talking if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

So the worst kind of bantz. You would have been fun in the old sealand threads. I even misspelled words for cretins to fixate on for bumps and you go with this? Whatever gets you through you're day.
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adding onto how insane the r&d would have to be for this, I honestly think the level of understanding and ability to manipulate biology to make a project like this work would mean by the time we are able to do something like this we will also be able to make humans biologically immortal. Thats how far off we are from being able to do this on this level, Growing individual organs is a far cry from being able to build something like this from the ground up, putting it all together and having it work.

>I even misspelled words for cretins to fixate on
Imagine if this was you.

>we will also be able to make humans biologically immortal. Thats how far off we are
We're within a couple generations. We're on the brink of "curing" cancer with genetically modified t-cells. Gene therapy is entering the fore. It's happening lads.

this is fucking intense user, can we really control shit with brainwaves? I had no idea.

I work with Joe Friaetta/Novartis at Penn ITMAT on Adenoviridae stuff for CAR-T cells, you couldn't be more wrong.

Apparently NPR lied to me. I hope you feel good for shooting me down. :'(

Well yeah. Thats old tech. With out implants the latency isnt at realtime speeds last I checked +/-600 ns lag. But you dig into the prosthetic world with the implants available it gets real doable. The newest and best gives two way feedback. Yes thats right fake legs that move when you think, with a sense of touch. Spooky times.
youtu.be/CDsNZJTWw0w

CAR-Ts are promising stuff, but much like CRISPR people on the internet/news-types who have no real understanding of it are lauding it as something it's not. There are still a lot of problems with how it's done right now. It's going places, but immune-modulation is a long way off from being reliable, consistent, widely-applicable, and scalable.

If you're ever in the Philly area though you should Joe talk sometime. He blew the fucking roof off Drexel last week, standing room only.

So what OP is saying is that we should build EVA unit meat robots?

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I keep imagining 40k ogryn shock troops.

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>at some point we'll go full Dudesex and people will willingly have their limbs amputated to get superior biological or mechanical versions

>get new bio arms that have gorilla strength
>go go gadget extendo legs for manlets
>GITS style robot eyes that can zoom in and have a built in HUD

You gotta get out more bro.

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This is an interesting concept. You could.get away with less organs than an actual body, leaving space for the guy inside.

You could ditch the digestive system entirely and just have a concentrated glucose and nutrient solution pumped into the bloodstream. You'd need lungs though, big ones, to supply all the oxygen. You'd need kidneys and a liver too, so quite a lot of organs to fit in.

Major issues:

>Needs armour, meat is rather vulnerable to bullets.
>Cooling system for all the muscles. Sweat would only be effective if there was a lot of exposed skin, which you cant have. You could distribute lungs through the suit with many breathing orifices to allow it to pant.

>get new bio arms that have gorilla strength
>*spine breaks*

Just build it like an exoskeleton from the ground up
>bones
Use the internal structure as support
>lungs
I'm sure we can figure out how to build an artificial lung. Bonus points for turbocharging it.
>kidneys livers
You could probably build a single armored box to contain all the biochemical reprocessing plants aka organs
>cooling
Run the blood through radiators.

The idea is actually pretty ebin. It could solve the battery problem and the electric-joint-servos-are-single-points-of-failure problem.

>armor plated meat suits that run of digested matter
I'm intrigued and frightened

Imagine the final layer before armor and EQ is a skin layer of rhino hide. Maybe some scales.

Well obviously you'd also get a reinforced gorilla and everything else to handle the strength user. You dont want to lift something heavy with ease and then have your legs snap off at the knees.

>OGUS

>The OGUS has become an indispensible asset to the military forces of all Category 1 nations. A hybrid of mechanical parts and specially tailored, silicone based organic components, the OGUS series have achieved a battlefield capability superior to anything a conventional human soldier could match. Expensive initially, maintenance is actually quite simple: the OGUS series is primarily self healing and is powered by methane created by the processing of organic matter (it eats meat.)

>Key Features-
>-Mortar used for bunker penetration and indirect fire roles.
>-Human-like limbs allow for use of aquired enemy weaponry when deployed behind enemy lines and supply sources are cut off.
>-Long, thin, and highly flexible neck allow for excellent scope and visibility.
>-Small profile presents the smallest possible target while OGUS observation is maintained.
>-Modular load bearing packs on upper thighs for equipment.

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I think you're underestimating how inefficient artificial organs would be compared to real ones. If you want to fit a liver, kidneys and lungs into the smallest box possible the artificial versions would be much larger, and will need a seperate power supply. Whats the point of burning glucose in muscle fibres if you need to battery pack for your artificial kidneys? Might as well just pump blood a little further.

I think electronics would be most useful in advanced sensors and muscle control

Looks neat.

Sounds kinda dorky, but neat nontheless.

Cool concept user, but a few problems come to mind. I won't go into the details of how we don't yet have the ability to make huge cats of muscle organized into functional muscle groups, because we'll get there eventually. Stem cell differentiations are difficult and costly, ask me how I know.

The problems that come to mind are:

>respiration
Notice the biggest limit to muscle function is actually them beginning to burn or give out. This is because they don't get enough O2 to respire, resorting to fermentation which builds up lactic acid. You would need a huge amount set of mechanical or biological lungs to get enough O2 exchange to prevent the muscles from burning out. This leads into the next big problem

>Fluid exchange
You would need a huge amount of fluid/blood that contains hemoglobins or some artificial O2 binding compound that releases appropriately into the tissue. More expense and weight to provide function O2 exchange as well as dripping in sugar or other nutrients as fuel.

>Heat management
All that giant muscle working hard requires heat to be managed before the tissue is damaged. This would mean skin that sweats or some sort of wicking cooling membrane. Means more water consumption/energy to manage the waste heat.

>Everything must be sterile
Unless you put a functioning immune system in the meat somehow, which would be even more expense and another step closer to a full body system. Otherwise, the meat would be quickly infected by bacteria and viruses and start to rot and break down.

All these concerns and their solution lead to this.

>Weakness
Your suit now has lungs that can be punctured, it can bleed out and become useless, can be infected and rot, it can work too hard and overheat and shut down.

Overall, the benefits in my opinion cannot sufficiently outweigh the benefits.

>Large cats

Kek, I meant vats

Can it's armor stop RFN?

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Cant hit what you cant catch or see.

Servitors when?

>FACTORY LINE WORKER

>Originally planned as a somewhat philanthropically oriented project intended to curb widespread corporate use of third world labour and sweatshop type practices. Mounted in a mechanical frame, genetically cultured “high wear” parts are grown in vats and regularly replaced. Not only are the meat components incredibly cheap to fashion and replace, they are extremely dextrous and efficient.

>Key Features-
>-Four eyes used by CPU to coordinate assembly and work processes.
>-Hazard pattern to alert human workers.
>-Nutrient cocktails and preservatives pumped into organic parts to prevent rot and rigor mortis.
>-The feet are toughened, and mechanically reinforced. While extremely nimble, these meat feet often need to be replaced daily.
>-Docking bay connects worker to recharge stations and assorted heavy machinery.
>-Reactor core encased in a thick sphere of titanium alloys to prevent explosions or leaks possibly incurred during serious accidents.

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Got me excited for nothing. You tease.

I like you. In my mind its mostly solved with tubes and bags. Small bagged bundles of muscle making big bags. This keeps it seperate limiting exposure, even to itself. Unlike a standard body. Mechanically attached in motion groups for swappability. Custom seperate arteries made to handle saline/brine antifreeze for multiple mechanical radiators. Which come spooky small now. O2 can be delivered via concentrate. Filtered and compressed for later. Its not digesting or thinking and rests like a zen monk. Computer aided motion control makes it move with little wasted effort. Demand may not be that high all the time.
Tear me a new one?

Cats can drink salt water. Perhaps that could be included at least.

What kind of work are these fuckers doing that their feet need to be replaced DAILY

The kind of work where you can afford to have a functioning nuclear reactor instead of a battery for every slave, but you can't afford to buy them shoes.

The artist is good at drawing but very dumb.

This is all fine and dandy, but how does it help with my dream of ultimately becoming a cute loli oper8tor?

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Perhaps being nimble is the more important quality? Like you said, if you're at the level of affording a nuclear reactor for menial laborers, you can afford daily replacement of feet.

I would also postulate the organic materials are 100% recyclable. You just need the time and space to grow them. If you factor in practically unlimited energy sources, and considering you can literally grow organic lifeforms out of dirt, it sounds pretty resource efficient to me.

Learning how to mesh the human neural system to machinery is a necessary science to put your brain in a new body or control a separate body remotely. It is important.

I have five dollars I would like to donate to this very worthy cause.

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>tfw the marines keep feeding their musclesuits crayons.

Don't forget to build in an enormous penis for rape duty.

design is pretty neat, but literal reactor core is supposed to replace cheap children? lol no

>The feet are toughened, and mechanically reinforced. While extremely nimble, these meat feet often need to be replaced daily.

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Interesting idea, but our technology is even further from making this work than mechanical hardsuits. PS: The secret for mechanical hardsuits is turbine powerplants operating at excess of 20k RPMs, if not full on fuel cells.

A few days without food and a human isn't generally very functional because it's having to break down fat and muscle for energy.