I love the 1911 platform but capacity and the small difference between 45 and 9 mm made me edc a 9 mm. I was shocked to find that 10 mm is only a few cents more expensive than 45 so I’ve been wondering if the juice is worth the squeeze or if 10 mm is just an overhyped meme. Are 10 mm guns prone to breaking and with less reliable track records? Is 10 mm a good gun for being in the woods as a sidearm? Or is 9 mm still king?
9 mm vs 10 millimeme
Austin Reed
Jordan Lopez
10mm is best mm. Glock 20 is doing fine.
Kevin Carter
9mm is a creepy little cartridge that serves no real purpose.
Carter Brooks
9mm is a round that was picked for financial reasons by departments that has been picked by poorfags for poverty reasons. People who want a good defensive round pick the .40 S&W
Andrew Thomas
>the juice is worth the squeeze or if 10 mm is just an overhyped meme.
Both, depends on what you want to do with it. It suffers from a lack of good loadings with bullets under 180grs due to them almost universally employing .40 S&W bullets way outside of their velocity envelope.
>Are 10 mm guns prone to breaking and with less reliable track records?
Earlier 10mm 1911 pattern handguns did have wear and parts breakage issues like cracked slides on the delta elites IIRC. Supposedly these have been hammered out over the years and frankly im no expert on the 1911 but i'd still expect it to wear faster than a .45 or 9mm one.
>Is 10 mm a good gun for being in the woods as a sidearm?
This is what 10mm is best at.
>Or is 9 mm still king?
Never was unless you're a capacity fag.
Isaiah Long
10 millimeme 1911s are Appearently amazing. My dad is a glock fag and he went shooting with a buddy who had a 10mm 1911 and he said it was stacking shots.
Kayden Lopez
>.40 Short and Weak
Juan Evans
They are amazing. Wouldn’t trade my SR1911 in 10mm for any 1911 in .45aarp at all.
Christian Kelly
What 10 mm pistols or rifles would you recommend?
David Diaz
Glock 20 for open carry, glock 29 for concealment... don't get a 10mm rifle, that's really dumb
Thomas Martinez
This . I'm not much of a glock fanboy but it's the only 10mm gun I'd get. Steel frame 10mm's loaded to its capabilities don't do well (frame cracking). Also G20/29's can safely and reliably shoot 40SW without modifications.
Justin Baker
Red pill me on this
Gavin Diaz
If you love the 1911 platform, you owe it to yourself to get one in either 10mm or 9x25.
I know it's not real practical, but I can't escape the idea that a 10mm levergat (20" or so barrel, full-length mag) would be a whole lot of fun, just for the ludicrous capacity. (Especially if designed to reliably handle .40, headspacing on the extractor -- you'd get an extra round or two that way.)
No, it doesn't quite keep up with .357mag in long barrels, but it's a little better than, say, standard-pressure 44-40 or .45colt, and definitely better than a 9mm PCC. (And while 10mm doesn't have the case capacity for really shine in a rifle, I'm sure you could spice it up a bit with some "rifle-only" handloads for a strong lever-action.)
Owen Fisher
The only time 10mm outperforms the big three is when you buy buffalo bore shit. It's a fucking meme. 357Sig is the best choice for performance. 45acp is the patrician choice because it has the best recoil and double taps.
Adam Rogers
You know, there are other bullet types other than FMJ right? The other tips are pretty damn effective at stopping someone.
Daniel Smith
>Fuddy five
>Less capacity
>Less energy
>Less velocity
Truly a better choice than 10mm.
Kayden Stewart
For roughly the same price you can get a Dan Wesson Razorback and not wait 14 months.
Logan James
Makes a bigger hole
Jason Phillips
My dick makes a bigger hole in your wife's cunt.
Daniel Turner
Right but...why wouldn't you use the Buffalo Bore shit in real life? I'll plink away with full power garbage to improve my skills, but when my Razorback isn't on range its got the Buffalo.
Dominic Phillips
Blow your head off bitch
Wyatt Watson
>I’ve been wondering if the juice is worth the squeeze or if 10 mm is just an overhyped meme
I've owned both a G20 and a G29 in the past and liked them, I currently own a Razorback. 10mm is a big round and theres definitely a noticeable difference in power. Whether thats going to translate to more effect out in the real world is a debate for guys who almost certainly know what ballistic gel feels like around their penis.
>Are 10 mm guns prone to breaking and with less reliable track records?
Some of the old Smith & Wessons had this problem, as did some of the Bren 10s and some of the old Deltas. I'd do a lot of research before buying those. The Glocks are kill proof. I've never heard of those problems with any of the big name 10mm 1911s made in the last 20 years. Go with a Glock, a Delta, or a Razorback if you're worried, they'll be fine.
>Is 10 mm a good gun for being in the woods as a sidearm?
Outside of Alaska I'd say yes. I know guys who hunt black bears with G20s. I wouldn't trust my aim that much, but it happens.
Benjamin Walker
Fucking destroyed
Grayson Cook
Whats a good 10mm starter pistol?
Angel Mitchell
why not 11.43 millimeme?
Joseph Reyes
I don't fall for the memes and I only carry fmj. I don't know why so many people think they need to pay 1 dollar a round.
Lucas Reyes
In terms of new production, your options are pretty limited:
Not a 1911
>EAA Witness
>Glock 20, 29, 40
>Sig P220
1911
>Rock Island Tac
>Colt Delta Elite
>Dan Wesson Razorback
>Para Elite LS Hunter
>Kimber does a couple
>Wilson does a couple
As far as starter goes, I'd say Glock because its the cheapest and probably the most reliable. The 1911s are, well, 1911s and you can pretty much expect from the 10mms what you would expect from anything else a given company puts out.
Ryan Collins
>I only carry FMJ
Are you somehow bound by Geneva?
Adam Moore
There's also the Elite Warrior Armament CSP if you're willing to spend 3500 dollars on one of the three or so left from the limited production run.
Yes I'm mad.
Elijah Long
Colt Delta Elite is the original .40 1911. Forgotten Weapons just did a video on it, actually. You can get them for around 1200. Pretty sure Sig makes .40 1911s too.
Josiah Collins
What are you so afraid of?
Aaron Roberts
>Le geneva convention bans hollow points
The hague convention should ban you from breathing.
Camden Kelly
9mm was a stopgap solution because the 7.65x21mm was underpowered so Luger's solution was just a heavier bullet and a trimmed case.
Cameron White
Federal HST and Hornady XTP are GOD TEIR in 10mm.
Noah Mitchell
You obviously need a GLAWK FORTAY with 30 round assault clips.
For real though, I've shot a 40 and a 29, and the 29 is surprisingly very shootable. Now, most cheap shit 10mm out there is essentially bitch FBI loads that are equivalent to .40 s&w. The cheapest 10mm that is almost Norma load would be the sig elite stuff.
Camden Sullivan
Its fair to be mad over that debacle, but what did you really expect from a tiny custom shop?
Also, thats definitely not a starter 10mm.
Benjamin Hernandez
>357Sig is the best choice for performance.
the only correct thing in that post IME.
(you)
Jaxson Jones
If you’re paying for that cheap of ammo you can garuntee it is expensive 45 price for 40 ballistics
And this is the case for almost all ammo makers for 10 mil despite the shills that are about to come in and rant about their custom boutique ammo and how cheap it is at $2 a round
You’re better off with 9
Samuel Walker
SHOTS FIRED
Charles Russell
I live in Chicago, so...
Well fuck me thats what I get for coming to Jow Forums drunk. Noted, sir.
Jacob Fisher
So if I'm looking for a cheaper pistol for concealed 10mm is out the question? That sucks.
Cooper Roberts
Did you mod a G21 mag? Cause if you didn't tell me where to buy.
Ryder Cook
Ayden Morgan
This. Modern 10mm is just .40 using viagra. Shit's weak and fake.
Liam Torres
You're right, it's THE starter 10mm.
Carter Rodriguez
Glock 29 is compact and inexpensive.
Jace Bailey
When are you putting a red dot on that?
Xavier Butler
You got me there.
Elijah Jackson
Stop fucking talking. 9mm fags deserve to fucking die, your shit round has failed REPEATEDLY to put people down when it matters and yet you harp about "ease of training and cheapest ammo", bitch if the FBI went with .38 super or ordered their agents to carry .357 they'd still be alive.
Christian Ward
It's a mag extension for a 21 mag from kriss. It fits the 20/40 mag, but you have to squeeze the top of the spring down a bit and sand the inside of the mag body down a bit so the spring doesn't catch.
When I'm not poor.
Levi Cook
>Federal HST
Is that even a thing? there aren't any factory loadings of that i can find and the only tests i can find of hand loaded 180s had 11.7" and .14.4" of penetration. Great expansion but low penetration on the first one, last one was quite good but questions whether it's repeatable reliably.
>Hornady XTP
Pretty good north of 180gr as i mentioned previously. The 155s are lackluster.
Sebastian Baker
Why are 10mm niggers such whiny bitches when they get called out?
Wyatt Brooks
>if the FBI went with .38 super or ordered their agents to carry .357 they'd still be alive.
That is perhaps the single best argument for 9mm I've ever read.
Joshua Evans
Because this is Jow Forums and everyone is a whiny bitch when talking about calibers.
Carson Jenkins
For people bitching about ammo, for real, get some SIG Sauer® Elite Performance Ammunition. Works great in both of my GLAWK FORTAYS
Parker Taylor
>I live in Chicago
They kill each other with all kinds of weak shit every day. You could learn from them.
Easton Hill
Light 10mm is a meme, 180gr and 200gr are perfect, but if you insist 155gr Gold Dots do well in expansion but not pen.
>niggers
>9mm
>literally a nigger caliber
Maybe we load our own ammo or buy shit that isn't churned out in mass quantities just to sell.
Carter Cox
>FBI agents actually doing their job vs 90's Stormtroopers
Please buy a exit bag.
Leo Perez
Yeah, but they wound each other 8 or 9 times a day.
Gavin Brown
Its cute that you think the new boss ain't the same as the old boss or that anything at all would change in the flash he got in the pan even if he wasn't lying to you.
Camden Ross
But 10mm is the choice of negroid
Grayson Miller
>implying FBI directors are all the same
Whew lad.
Cameron Powell
That 9mm xtp is seated waaaaaaaay too far out.. That is a load for a dirty slut of a pistol...
Hudson Evans
Was kinda my point in south of 180grs 10mm really runs into issues. IIRC 165gr GDHPs aren't terrible but still thoroughly mediocre and that's the closest 10mm gets to good light and fast loadings. Pretty much the major reason i don't bother with the caliber for my own personal use. .357 sig seems to be the king of the hill for light weight high velocity performance out of a modern auto loader these days when it comes to handgun rounds. 9x25 dillon is technically a little better on paper but runs into the same bullet issues as 10mm, no clue why boutique manufacturers insist on using 9mm bullets for it.
Andrew Sanders
>not wait 14 months
I've been seeing them everywhere for years.
Hudson Clark
Holy fuck
Luis Gray
how does the G29 recoil with hotter loaded cartridges?
I have the G20 and while a stiffer spring dialed down the slide flying back like a motherfucker on the higher Underwood loads, the recoil is not light.
Joseph Baker
Only reason I like the 10mm is that it isn't fat as fuck like the .45acp and it isn't long as fuck like the .357 mag.
So it's a comfortable autoloading pistol cartridge that can touch the lower end of the big bore wheelgat bullets, but with a lot more rounds than a wheelgat in a much smaller package without sacrificing the barrel length.
I really don't see the purpose of a 10mm in a long gun format other than novelty. If we're going long guns, why not just go with long gun ammo at that point.
Angel Richardson
10 mm is 30 cents a round roughly
Nathaniel Cook
Hahaha shit
Jaxon Nguyen
Real talk,how bad is 10 m recoil?
Benjamin Green
*10 mm
Hunter Nelson
Straight muzzle flip worse than 40 and 9mm
Landon Wright
Spotted the Manlet
Ethan King
Buffalo Bore 220g at 1350fps is some power.
Kayden Allen
10 M?
10000mm ?
Carter Bailey
>He doesn't have a Glock 20000
Noah Russell
That has nothing to do with muzzle flip dumb fuck
Grayson Garcia
Where did you get those mags
Luis Price
Yea I love mine. Did you change out the sights? I don't like how they're all black
Camden Young
>I have the G20
Feels the same to me.
Aiden Bennett
You can’t control your pistol, buttercup
Thomas Wright
10mm is beter then 45
No the guns don’t break.
Brody Price
>Or is 9 mm still king?
KEK When was 9mm ever king?
Jaxon Green
The last decade+
Austin Howard
Innawoods I would rather have some hot 230gr hardcast than any 9mm.
Justin Moore
King at what?
Jose Harris
You're fucking retarded.
Jack Richardson
>.45aarp
Still gets a giggle every time.
Samuel Martinez
Rekt & keked.
Juan Adams
>recoil?
Absolutely wrist wrecking user. Wrist Wrecking
Anthony Evans
did you upgrade the spring on that, or is that a stock glock 29?
I'm planning on buying one before my move to Colorado, I'm not sure which of the two I should get. It would be for CC, but also woods carry.
William Harris
F
Wyatt Wright
>tfw no good 10mm PCC's out
>tfw CZ will never make a 10mm Scorpion
Ayden Gutierrez
>did you upgrade the spring on that,
No and the only thing it has is a 3 1/2 lb connector.
Jaxon Ross
Leave
Tyler Davis
Just like any other caliber, recoil will vary based on the weight of the firearm. 10mm out of a 30oz Glock 29 is going to have significantly more recoil than out of a 42oz 1911 style pistol. I own a Sig Tacops 1911 in 10mm and I notice little recoil difference between it and other 1911's chambered in .45acp
Parker Lewis
Those are .45 Win Mag made into .45 APC blanks.
Mason Perez
You have to make them. Use tbell kriss vector 45acp conversion and some permanent modification to the mag and they work great. I've never had or seen them jam or have issues
Xavier Ward
BLOWN
THE
FUCK
OUT