Firearm ownership minimum age needs to be 21 because any younger is too immature to handle guns responsibly and know...

Which is why they should earn the right.

I'm okay with "free" college, but you gotta fucking earn it by working for it. And it shouldn't be just traditional colleges, it should be for trade schools too.

I say you just make the voting age 25.
The brain isn't even fully developed till then anyways.

...with a gun buying permit of course. Available only to Federal law enforcement agencies who are advocates of sensible gun laws.

And doesn't everybody deserve a voice? No matter how old or where they are born.

The next thing they are going to tell you in the military is, "This rifle was never yours".

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Immaturity is because coddling

Reinstate child labor. Kids grow the fuck up quick and harden the fuck up quicker. No more need for illegal immigrant labor, and that generation would be so strong theybwould take over the world.

What about the life of a draftee? Was that 'never theirs'?

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>firearm ownership needs to be raised to 21! The population obviously is not mature enough for such a privilege
Meanwhile
>lower the drinking age to 18! (sometimes 16)
>lower the voting age to 16!
>>End the Electoral College!
>4 year olds can decide if they're a boy or girl, not anybody else!
>raise minimum wage to $15! ($20 seems to be the new trend in recent years)

desu we should go back to only white, land-owning men being able to vote

Nothing is "free". Im not ok with selling a fucking lie.

They want to infantalize the population.

Mandatory lobotomy and thumb bobing for all humans. Its the only way to be safe.

This. Blame whoever you want, but women’s rights is the single greatest destroyer of society. Now that we know better, it should NEVER be done again

Kek hath spoken

But also as illiterate as the upstanding African youth.

There should be a single vote per household, with a household qualifying as a man and a woman legally married for over five years and with at least one child and owning or leasing a house.

No then that takes away the right of singles who are not married. Which would actually disqualify you because no girl is gonna touch you

Wait a minute. This could secretly be a brilliant idea. It sounds stupid at first. But once the 16 year olds can vote, why the fuck wouldn't they vote for guns? How many 16 year old boys do you know that don't want guns?

also people who are sterile are not allowed or don't want to have children

fuck off with this retarded idea.

If the average politician is too immature to carry a gun themselves than they shouldn't be allowed to hire bodyguards, vote on anything firearm related, and certainly shouldn't be allowed into politics in the first place. The absolute overgrown children that get placed in roles of authority is a little depressing.

It'd work like this
>gun ownership age gets voted up
>voter ownership age gets voted lower
>voters vote drinking and firearm ages to get lowered
christmas came early this year, thanks grandma

Having the drinking age set at 21 and having every restaurant and bar anally check your ID is the reason kids think it's cool to binge drink when they hit 21. That doesn't happen I'm a country like Czech Republic, Germany, and Poland where parents acclimate their kids to beer and no one checks ID. I don't see why you're setting up a dichotomy between beer and guns.

Yet 5 year olds are mature enough to determine if they want to take gender re-assignment hormones that will alter the development of their body and have permanent consequences.

This is what people confuse, they don't understand rights vs privileges in a culture so they'll construe your right to a firearm with stupid shit like driving a car or drinking.

Better plan
>firearm purchase from an FFL lowered to 16
>voting rights tied to if you paid federal income tax in the previous fiscal year

Who do you think we'd be putting to work? Not that sending children to Myer Silverman- Ringold's Marxist daycare ever really made anyone smarter anyway.

No fuck that, then people who are disabled can't vote because they don't take enough income to pay taxes at all. People who work under the table wouldn't get the right either.

You're all for having other rights infringed but the 2nd is so much more special than all the rest?

>Rosie the riveter shirt

How did a woman that dropped out of working in a factory after a couple days because she wanted to keep her hands nice and pretty, turn into a feminist icon?

Oh yeah, she was pretty.

Binge drinking is still fun though. The only people I can still get to do it are the Yuro cunts from work.

because its just an icon like uncle sam and shit.

The point is that only functioning members of society who have the ability to at least start a stable family and have some sort of investment in the future are the ones making decisions rather than a bunch of college kids and urban youth voting

>degenerates and people who are not propagating thier own society would be disenfranchised
...and?

The left is pushing for lower voting ages in order to dominate all aspects of politics.

Just think about it, when you are young you are usually left wing because left wing politics is all about emotional responses and feelings. Everything is about "it feels like the right thing to do".

If they manage to have 16 year olds voting, you will end up with a dictatorship of the left for decades to come.

You can be a functioning member of society and not have kids or be married. You're trying to mix rights and retarded cultural values that you hold dear when reality these two are mutually exclusive because all people are equal. Taking away your constitutional right to vote because you aren't married or can't have/ don't want kids is the same as taking away your constitutional right to bear arms because someone else thinks you don't have a good enough arbitrary reason

Better yet raise arbitrary age limits to 21. Voting, driving, buying smokes, booze, or guns. I'd add buying porn, but who pays for that anymore.

sometimes, I wish there were an IQ-test or something required to vote.

It would make the media be more professional, and less partisan, since they couldn't just pander to the easy preys anymore.

Wouldn't save everything, but it would certainly help.

because its their right to choose whether or not if they want to get married or have kids.

They literally have the same liberty to choose whether they want to vote or whether they want to own a firearm the same way they have the liberty to have kids or not or get married or not.

Oh man but you're all for squandering the rights of others because some others threatened your right to keep and bear arms.

>It would make the media be more professional
lol no it fucking wouldn't

the image is based on a picture of a real woman though. A woman working in some factory during WW2 for a couple days, until quitting because she didn't want to hurt her hands.

>muh rite 2 votes
>...as an illegal laborer
>...as someone who would be institutionalized if Reagan hadn't closed all the mental institutions
you're just further describing the problem

Same reason they are all for open borders and no voter ID. All the illegal immigrants vote left. If the immigrants were conservative the left would be screaming for us to build the wall.

Or you know a veteran of a war or a retired person who doesn't claim income tax anymore because they don't make enough or are of retired age and don't pay income tax on money they've already earned via SS

>illegal laborer
oh man laws for thee but not for me. an "illegal laborer" could just be a waitress getting tips and not declaring them, never making enough money to declare income tax to begin with.

This thread belongs in Jow Forums

>oh man laws for thee but not for me. an "illegal laborer" could just be a waitress getting tips and not declaring them, never making enough money to declare income tax to begin with.
or literally just a guy making his way doing odd jobs privately.

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>veterans don't work in the private sector after EASing
>veterans don't have several programs for work training or job placement preferential treatment
>social security isn't taxable
>imply boomers haven't literally fucking ruined this country
sit down kiddo
so a shitkicker? simple solution, report your income nigger.

>People I don't like aren't citizens get out reeeeeeeeeee

>>veterans don't work in the private sector after EASing
a veteran who is disabled and can't work you fucking mongoloid.
>veterans have programs to get them to work
but not all can or do, there are tons of people who cannot work due to their disabilities and they're still people protected under the constitution and have every right you do.

>social security isn't taxable
it isn't if you don't pull enough to be taxed or you don't have SS and rely on shit like a 401k that isn't taxed when you retired or are relying on liquid savings that has already been taxed years ago.

>its the boomers fault I'm such a fuck up

>report your income
no the government has no business knowing how much I make the same way the government has no business knowing what guns I have, you're literally just another allotrope of a statist shithead who subscribes to the same "laws for thee but not for me" mentality the shithead liberals do.

You know what a productive member of society is? Any regular person who doesn't cause any crime or detriment to society, you don't have to pay taxes to get your rights, your rights are inalienable.

Well said user. Fuck authoritarian assholes

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Or even people who under your doctrine did have the right to vote because they did pay income tax, but during work were permanently injured or became ill and cannot vote anymore so they collect disability and don't pay tax for the rest of their life because they need help and can't work. He should lose his rights because he can't work anymore? Working is not a right nor are you entitled to work, stop mixing bullshit in society's culture with inalienable rights of people who have them inherently when they are born.

How about you fuck off with your shitty bait. There's nothing wrong with having a beer at 16, there's also not a problem with shooting guns at 16. I wish I could have done the latter, but no one in my family owned any guns I could borrow. I did however carry a knife on me in high school because I was one of the few white kids. The right to bear arms shall not be infringed, but don't act like your puritan mormon laws will somehow save kids from drinking themselves into a coma.

>401k withdrawals aren't taxed
how fucking ignorant can one man be

>muh vetranz
>this will be my red herring to legitimize letting meth heads and el goblina highschool liberals vote

>taxes r evil
just because you can't get a real fucking job or are a 28 year old waiter who lies on his tax forms doesn't make you an ardent patriot

voting isn't a right as conceptualized by the founders. the simplest solution is to just go back to "you need to own property to vote" and call it a fucking day. Actually paying fucking taxes is far less restrictive than the other anons idea of actually being a functional member of society with a stable marriage and kids.

or simply abolish the 19th amendment because overnight 48 out of 50 states would vote straight red

I'm agreeing with you dude

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>you're only a real citizen if you pay taxes or aren't one of the people I don't care about
>can't work due to illness or injury? fuck you you have no rights

You're literally a statist shithead who wants to take peoples rights away because they didn't give up their income to the government.

How about this, you get all your rights no exceptions and that's it! Wow what a simple and novel concept of people having their rights. There are no arbitrary requirements to get your rights. If you have to do some arbitrary bullshit to "get" your rights then thats not a right at all. Rights are imbued and are inalienable.

Requiring people to own property to vote is unconstitutional because people who don't own property don't have the equal rights as another who does, buying or inheriting property should not be a catalyst for your rights. This was only implemented to stop the poor and blacks from voting.

>simply abolish the 19th amendment
You're literally a fascist with shit like this taking away peoples rights because you don't like them.

stop thinking about it goy and gib guns

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I'm not the user you were replying to, but...

I think there should be voter ID to vote. Ever voter should at least have a government ID proving their identity. Government IDs should be issued for free. Any anybody who isn't responsible enough to be able to get to a DMV to get their free ID printed up is too irresponsible to vote.

Also, there should be some sort of very basic IQ test. Maybe put 3 questions on the ballot.
1. A very simple math problem like (5x3)-2=?
2. Very simple science problem like "Which is closer to the Earth, the Sun or the Moon?"
3. Very simple history question like "Who was the first president of the United States?"

If you can't get 100% on those 3 questions your vote does not count. Retards should not be determining who gets elected.

let me guess, you also think "no one is illegal ;c "

you're describing tyranny of the majority
>voting is a constitutional right because we passed some amendments that enfranchised enough groups to fucking ruin society and directly led to the rise of political machines 100 years ago and replacement demographic tactics today

how about this
>you need to be a citizen to vote
>you need to be a citizen to get any public benefits
a hard concept for your ilk I know.
now in a society that won't collapse
>If a citizen is on public assistance they can't vote to prevent politicians from promising to increase their public assistance.

oooooh, you said the 'f' word

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>You're old enough to enlist in the military but not old enough to bet your money or own a gun
this is why they lowered the voting age from 21 to 18 in the first place.
>old enough to get drafted for 'nam but not old enough to vote for or against the politicians who started the war

They can vote now?

THAT WAS MY ALONE TIME.

>checked

Every student should at least have to pass the same standards of testing as a naturalization test. This ensures they are familiar with the structure of government and who currently occupies it.

Most American kids don't receive a peep of education about civics after middle school, and even that is weak.

Whenever I get into a debate with people about politics IRL I always as them to name one of their state senators or representatives. It is shocking how many people can't name a single senator or representative that is representing their state. Yet they want to preach about politics.

People love talking out their ass about shit they know nothing about.

And if the person can name all the senators and representatives I can at least respect them as being somewhat informed about politics.

this is how you get people voting for a continually increasing welfare state that cannot sustain itself as more people move in for free shit.

> You're literally a fascist with shit like this taking away peoples rights because you don't like them.
Not that user but the difference between woman’s sufferage and, for example, black sufferage is fucking huge. The VAST majority of men have women that they love dearly and would die to protect. The idea that women’s rights wouldn’t be protected by men is absurd, especially considering that it was MEN who gave women the vote in the first place. Women’s sufferage only came about because a bunch of pussies got too comfortable and started having magical ideas of what women were.

Oh, I must have misunderstood what you meant.

>how about this
>>you need to be a citizen to vote
>>you need to be a citizen to get any public benefits
>a hard concept for your ilk I know.
If it worked that way all the voters would have just voted themselves public assistance already, moron.

>wut iz da democrat plantation an sheeeit

>free college
No fuck you. Fuck that, not when it's coming out of my goddamn paycheck.
Abolish the income tax and we'll talk, but I don't want to pay for Tyrone to go to learn German Rap History on dimes that were taken from me at gunpoint before I even got to see them.
Fuck this culture of 'free' shit. It'd be one thing if the government was making it's revenue off of a national sales tax, but it doesn't. It makes it's revenue by extorting the middle-upper-middle class out of their paychecks, then handing it off to dumb, entitled socialists who think they deserve a fucking penny of the work other people did and like to complain that it's not fair somebody can make more money than somebody else because 'muh wealth inequality'.
Fuck you, fuck your free college, fuck your free healthcare. If you want shit, fucking pay for it commie. This is America and last I fucking checked, we were a Capitalist society. Enough with these goddamn Commies trying to spend my money, the money that was taken from me, on gibsmedats for dumb niggers, dumb white trash, and dumb Jow Forumstards, and fuck these goddamn Neocons trying to do the same exact thing for their welfare queen military and global police bullshit.

>Not that user but the difference between woman’s sufferage and, for example, black sufferage is fucking huge.
No there is no difference, people are people and all people of the US have the same rights.

I'd vote for you

>especially considering that it was MEN who gave women the vote in the first place.
By their vote whom were the only people allowed to vote. Thats a stupid analogy saying that its the men who gave them the vote when in reality if the protests and suffrage didn't happen women would have never gotten the right to vote.

>>If a citizen is on public assistance they can't vote to prevent politicians from promising to increase their public assistance.
No that goes against their voting rights, you can't take away someones right to vote because of their status, thats unconstitutional, you also can't tell people what they can and can't vote for that goes against the 1st amendment.

To take away someones right to vote takes away all their rights to be free

>Also, there should be some sort of very basic IQ test. Maybe put 3 questions on the ballot.
>1. A very simple math problem like (5x3)-2=?
>2. Very simple science problem like "Which is closer to the Earth, the Sun or the Moon?"
>3. Very simple history question like "Who was the first president of the United States?"
This is unconstitutional, Jim Crow laws already tried to do this and it was shot down. This prevented blacks and the poor from voting or being able to get their vote, its literally a form of poll tax. It punished them because they couldn't read and it prevented them from voting entirely, the same with women getting their right to vote. Since they didn't have many rights to begin with, many of them couldn't read and wouldn't pass this poll tax either.

All poll taxes are unconstitutional.

>Checked

>(((minorities))) brought over by democrats due to the fact that they vote for gibs and happily reside on the democrat plantation is fine because we're all just ppl with the same rights and junk

then get a fucking job. Your ideals about (((voting rights))) are hand crafted by the powers that be who want every methhead and illegal immigrant to vote due to statistical facts that they vote for gibs and nothing else. GG gun rights in your utopian vision

how about make the IQ cutoff for being legally fucking retarded 80 again
>inb4 das racist... because nigge poor disenfranchised black ppl are a standard deviation of intelligence or more lower than what is considered a functional person. uh... because white ppl are evil

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How could somebody so uneducated that they are illiterate make an educated vote? They are just going to be some retard voting for who some other retard convinced them they should vote for, and probably vote for whoever promises the most free gibs.

Uninformed voters destroy the nation. Democracy should be something that only educated and informed citizens can influence. And by educated I don't mean has a fancy college degree. I mean they have a 6th grade level understanding of math, science, and history.

You must be new here

Because it honestly has no relevance. If you were debating specific policies and voting records, or proportions of the Senate and House either for or against a particular issue, it would be somewhat relevant. But those details would really have no bearing in a discussion not explicitly about them. That's like having an argument about the EU and asking if someone if they could even name all the countries in Europe. Perhaps not, but what difference does that make

>>Also, there should be some sort of very basic IQ test. Maybe put 3 questions on the ballot.
. Very simple science problem like "Which is closer to the Earth, the Sun or the Moon?"
. Very simple history question like "Who was the first president of the United States?"

These questions do not test IQ they test learned information. Something like (pic related) or other types of pattern recognition tests tend to be better and nobody can accuse them of being culturally biased or dependent on your level of education.

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There is a difference between being able to name "ALL" the countries in Europe, and being able to name perhaps 3.

If somebody can't name 3 countries in Europe then why the fuck should I listen to their opinions about what should happen in Europe? They don't even know what Europe is.

The same goes for being able to name basic government representatives. You don't need to be able to name them all. I would be seriously impressed if somebody from California knew all 53 representatives. But if they can't name a single one, or either of their senators then why should I believe they have anything other than the most superficial knowledge of politics?

It would be like trying to talk about guns with somebody who doesn't know the difference between a muzzle loader, a recoil operated guns, and a gas operated gun. Yet they still want to tell you why one gun is better than another?

>Women's sufferage was a mistake
Quads of Truth.

>what does functional knowledge of politics have to do with politics
if you don't know anything about local issues, don't know who you voted for in the last election beyond christmas treeing the rest of the ballot after tucking frump, don't know who you state representatives are, etc. then you simply don't have a valid fucking opinion.

It's taking the "name one gun law" argument that stymies or leads to screeching from anti gunners taken to the macro level/crux of it. Opinionated self righteous ignorance.

It isn't even hard. I hate my fucking sheriff. know his name, and think he's a corrupt piece of shit. If pressed I can rant about the conspiracy theories on incestuous inter county politics of a major metropolitan area. If you can't construct a sentence about your state or local representatives but have strongly held (((political))) beliefs dictated to you you're too fucking stupid to vote.

Yes, but somebody who has a high IQ yet still has no understanding of how the world works can't make an informed vote. Rain Man would answer your question with ease. But could he make an informed vote?

youtube.com/watch?v=5oyZJDBUzWc

Epic post fellow kekpede

Truth of truths.

Indeed. Heed His words

it'd be a litmus test, not a test of political acumen. "are you fucking retarded" is all it's asking. If someone can't pass a pattern recognition test meant for 6 year olds then they shouldn't be able to vote.

>and nobody can accuse them of being culturally biased or dependent on your level of education.
top kek. objective intelligence testing is racis you shitlord.