Why does the Japanese Military Complex don't reach the outside Markets like the US, China and Russia does...

You've never worked in the MIC with fucking Mitsubishi trying to build an aircraft
Its a fucking nightmare
They're far better off cost wise to buy small quantities of US equipment as needed
And fuck even then the handoff from the US to JP is a headache, cant imagine the standards japan has for exporting defense products

right but there's more to it than the product. there's support and spare parts. if you're an airline and set up for boeing then you buy more boeing stuff. if you're a railroad and all your locomotives are GE, then Electro-Motive is going to have a hard time selling to you.

>MIC
Military Industrial University complex. Stop giving the research arm a pass. Your alma mater is just as culpable.

That doesnt sound nearly as cool or evil
Working on the prod side I don't see the research side much, all our dev work is inhouse engineers
The research aspect is mainly in smaller firms

Then why can't Japs make their own 5°gen fighter? It's not like they'll ever export it.

You don't understand how expensive and demanding that is
Its taken over a decade 1.5 trillion dollars ($1,500,000,000,000) and the three largest defense firms on earth supplying parts, support and know how to make the F35 viable and its had many challenges

How is an economically stagnant island going to put up that kind of capital?

It cant

You're right, but even with US help and a already exisiting platform (F22), would it be that hard for a country like Japan?

Oh so export an existing product that is then localized for effective use like we do now?
F22 is too stronk to give away to our allies
Modernized FA-18s, V22s, and some select whirlybirds are the limit for the Japs

I read many times here and in other sites that Japan wanted to make a 5° gen out of the F-22 platform, but the US congress were just "No".

That's because the F22 is (likely*) far more advanced than is published and it's far too large of a security risk to share, even nerfed, with our allies at risk that the Chinese reverse engineer some of the more sensitive aspects of that shit and fuck us in A2A

>Why does the Japanese Military Complex don't reach the outside Markets
Because their weapons are not battle-tested. Would you rather buy American or Russian weapons that are known to work and are several generations old and have been improved from the experience in actual wars or would you buy cosplay-tier LARPer shit that Nips are selling?

The answer is obvious... unless you're a moron.

Those laws were only partially removed in 2014, not a long time ago really. The big suppliers have had decades and decades to build up a reputation, which Japan doesn't have and will struggle to do. Not to mention that much of their hardware isn't really competitive from a quality/price standpoint, and is laser focused to their needs exclusively.
I think you're conflating two separate events here- Japan originally wanted to purchase the F-22 but was shot down due to the export ban, and very recently LM offering them a development project based off of a F-22/35 hybrid.

Fuck off, you brainlet. The Koreans have no problems selling their guns and equipment.

The real reason is the Japanese military industry have never had this opportunity and are just neglecting it. People in the US would eat up their rifles in sporter versions and there is an all matter of middle eastern states that need guns that would likely buy their wares.

But didn't the congress veto'd the export of this Hybrid?

>battle tested

Confirmed for zoomer firearms “expert” whose research consists of fortnite and r/guns

No, nothing from congress so far. Presumably systems on the F-22 that led to the export ban will be replaced with F-35 based equipment that is exportable.

Koreans were smart on making a small supersonic fighter that was cheap AF to operate. Kinda like how Brazilians did with the Super Tucano, they made a pupose-built prop CAS plane while everyone else were just putting guns on trainers.

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I see, but i also read that they pulled out of this project, no? Or it was other thing?

I'm guessing you're referring to that thread from a couple weeks ago? If so, I think the OP was misinterpreting the JASDF as rejecting all foreign designs when what they were doing was rejecting an off the shell aircraft- they're still considering doing an international development program.

>Fuck off, you brainlet
>Confirmed for zoomer
It's pretty boring arguing with butthurt retards who can't even come up an argument against my statement without calling you names. I guess schools ain't what they used to be.

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>butt shoah’d babby upset no one took his video game analysis

Also dipshit you were proven in the first post

The deployment was more of a muscle flexing against the side of Japanese politics that still likes pretend the country is occupied, like "yes, you say we can't do this and smear it as unconstitutional but we will anyways." It was kind of like a Trump sort of move, in a way. They had to be there in an exclusively peaceful capacity and were legally required to remain in areas without combat and only fire upon enemies once they had already taken fire (and even then, there were restrictions). The bulk of the troops basically just did menial labor and engineering stuff, drove around safe areas doing PR stuff, and sat around bases. When they were doing things outside the base walls, they were protected by Australian troops as well as Japanese special forces, airborne troops, and the Western Army Infantry Brigade (a former unit that was like elite amphibious reconnaissance troops and has since been replaced with a very similar unit). They had no military casualties and actually the most casualties of the war for Japan were civilians like a backpacker kidnapped by terrorists as like "get out of Iraq or we kill him" and a man named Akihiko Saito who served as an airborne soldier in French Foreign Legion and was a private contractor at the time of his capture by terrorists. Even though they barely fired shots, they did do good work there, mostly in rebuilding plumbing and other utilities for the civilians, though. It was really just political maneuvering, though.

Real questions. Why the info dump. Why are there so many hikers in the middle east. Even during the surge there reports of hikers getting kidnapped. What has to go through their mind to be in a war zone

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I don't get it, the F-35 on paper is better than the F-22 for air combat in every way yet the F-22 isnt sold and we sell the F-35 to fucking Turkey

I would imagine what goes through their mind is the world isn't dangerous and people aren't inherently evil. or maybe they're tryin to cross the globe by any means that doesn't involving flying over.

>why the info dump
Because I'm a borderline-autistic fool and spew lots of information when my brain
>Why are there so many hikers in the middle east [given the danger?]
Most of them are young idiots. A lot have background backpacking in SE Asia which is comparatively very safe, and they generalize the experience. The people I've met who backpack in the Middle East are often sorts who go to some made-up place in Israel call "Palestine" to walk in stupid protests and show their friends at home how left-wing they are. In addition to generalizing from the safety of SE Asia, they also generalize that the whole Middle East is just like the cushy little resorts with Palestinian terrorist groups kissing their feet because now they get some free press told to developed countries by young white and Asian girls. They think, "oh they were so nice to me, so I guess everybody is nice" not knowing that the Thais are nice to them because it helps tourism and brings lots of money and the Palestinians are nice to them because they want to hide their violent agenda with pretty girls saying they're nice to their families.

Japs could at least send some troops to Africa under UN's banner so they could at least see some shit and get experience.

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Weren't they selling Patrol Boats to Flips and Indos?

Except most countries who buy weapons won't be able to afford Japanese Technology™

Those who do have their own Military Industrial Complexes.

Not to mention forget competing with USA/Russia/China. Japs will have to compete with South Korea's arms industry alone, which has a corner on the Non-Commie-using SEAsian countries.

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Japanese military tech isn't really anything special. It's only coveted because it's so rare to see it outside of the country. Almost everything they have is pretty outdated in design and essentially a derivative of western tech.

Very extreme export laws.

Their equipment are made for Japanese, by Japanese. If you're an international customer you have to think long and hard about adopting an unproven platform and good luck about post-sales service. At least if you buy American or buy Yuro you know they will be there for maintenance, parts and all kinds of shit you might need.

The gooks were one step ahead and started shilling their equipment to mostly underequipped SEA militaries before branching out to Gulf Arabs and then Yurop.

Jap firearms are for Jap soldiers, good luck shilling those to the vast majority of M4/AK armies. If a cunt is buying a tank there's Germany, Russia and if you don't mind second hand/refurbished stuff there's the USA too. Armored vehicles are a saturated pool, almost every NATO ally builds them and even Asian militaries have tied up with big contractors to design one for themselves, why buy Jap for that?

that's because sokor has defense industry shills within earshot of the dnd and their equipment isn't that expensive too

that said the k3 is shit for a saw and was only bought because of national tv grandstanding, most grunts prefer the m249/minimi

Because hes an autistic retard ranting in the place of knowledge

>Palestine
>"Made Up"

wew lad, you are autistic aren't ya

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It's not like japs develop lots of stuff really, they just carbon copy American stuff.

Yes because the C-2 didn't have its problems and delays huh? What can the Japanese even export that is actually competitive?

Anime?

Capitalism isn't the greatest match with maintenance of a modern military industrial complex. Nippon would need to run a two-tier production: high volume value-centric monkey model units, plus their own secret sauce for domestic consumption (should be superior). Or they could surplus their old stuff. Perhaps they'll start by refurbishing/surplusing naval vessels. Their subs for example are rotated from new on an 18 year cycle a further 18 years should be easy with a refit. South east asia has suiltable dockyards and might take them.

>People in the US would eat up their rifles in sporter versions.
No they wouldn't, this is the "I would totally buy a repro FG42" meme all over again. You've been able to buy Daewoo rifles and T91 uppers for years and nobody cares, so no one would care about any overpriced (JSDF pay 3k for a type89, as a civ buyer you would pay more) Jap imports beyond a couple of niche anime websites and people who play Seige.
>there is an all matter of middle eastern states that need guns that would likely buy their wares.
Why? They already buy Chinese and the western aligned ones buy American.

Whatever they make they make solely for the Defense Force and other agencies. Japan is one of the most antigun countries in the world so this shouldn’t be a surprise.
They don’t need to, if all else fails they can fall back onto the US.
The only Japanese firearms people here are interested in are WW2 and prior. The Middle East also has mountains of arms from China, the USSR/Warsaw Pact, NATO, and god knows what else to toy with. The Japanese would just be a drop in the ocean.

That has nothing to so with best ism. You be literally described pact nations during and post