> Lever action .357 Magnum, 124-158gr Absolutely fine on Ohio whitetails or Rocky mule deer out to 75-100y > Bonded 62gr .234 Absolutely not. Southern whitetail only within 75y max. Just doesn't make a big enough hole to bring the animal down quickly.
> Lever action .357 Magnum, 124-158gr Great for stopping an intruder > Bonded 62gr .223 Even better, either up close out out to 300y. Cavitation is going to absolutely wreck him.
I'm not being a contrarian. I've just absorbed some cognitive dissonance and I'm trying to resolve it. I have been lead with numerous examples to believe both of these scenarios, and the two do not jive. So is SCHV horseshit compared to a bigger, heavy bullet and police should switch to levers/.357 Sig PCCs instead of patrol rifles? Or are people heavily overstating how effective larger, heavier bulleta are on game up to 250lbs? Is pic related just that much harder to kill than a 200lbs linebacker?
Minimum caliber for game hunting thread, I guess. That way you don't have to yell at me for posting in the QTDDTOT and netting all of one reply.
my dad took 15 deer over 5 years with a glock 19. exactly 0 got away.
but he stalked them and got pretty close so 9mm would work. past that, he would have just wounded them. with game, distance is a consideration. with people, you're not taking shots past 15 yards unless it's war or a SWAT raid.
Adam Cruz
Arrows drop elk and moose. Firearm fags btfo cuz they can't shoot well enough. How will u fags ever recover?
Trolling aside, I think it's wrong to use the abs are minimum to hunt. Which is usually dad taking his 12 year old daughter and a youth model 243 with a huge recoil pad and jacket vest with pad too.
Hunter Bennett
People who say that .223 isn't adequate for southern whitetail are no guns or they hunt with fmj. Hell I take a plethora of does and 6 points every year with 55gr bonded bullets.
Jonathan Bennett
I'm talking a 200lbs mule deer, say Eastern NM though. I may have a bias because my only other rifles are an AK and a heavy-ass .308 stand rifle.
That 8lbs AR looks damn appealing if I'm going to be stalking out to above a creek bed, except I'm convinced that even a heart shot means a faint 200y blood trail.
Logan Torres
I've yet to have one run on me from a good shot. I've biffed a few but they would have run regardless of caliber.
Nicholas Rogers
>kills 200lb people just fine >doesn't kill 200lb durr because ???
Austin Lopez
Ohio Deer laws are nutz. .223, 30-30, 308, 30-06, 35 Weland, no bottle neck cases.
458 Win Mag good to go.
Kayden Brown
what ranges do you want to cover for potential shots? There are plenty of ar calibers to choose from
Ethan Clark
Nothing past 150y, and truthfully half that probably. I know I'll probably have either a .224V or a .300blk one day, but that's not in my budget for now.
Jackson Garcia
High weight low velocity is better for game because you will always get a clean passthrough and no fragmentation, so you won't have to pick lead out of your meat. You'll almost always have a clear shot at the vitals while hunting so the size of the hole really isn't important. Also, .243 is fine for anything but moose within 300 yards.
SCHV is good for people because of the fragmentation and energy dump you'll get on a target because you aren't guaranteed to hit something important when in a gunfight, so you just want to fuck the other guy up as hard as you can. Trying to fuck a deer up as hard as you can will ruin the meat.
Like people here are saying, though, plenty of deer have been taken with .223 and plenty of people have been taken with .45. There is no set rule with any of this, but typically the majority of the community is going to use what works best.
Gavin Lewis
>Trying to fuck a deer up as hard as you can will ruin the meat. Agreed, but isn't that the point of bonded projos like fusions or partitions? I always hear that the .223's limitation is very small exit wound or that it won't break through the far shoulder. Does a 124gr .357 bullet just smash through both shoulder bones and exit the other side every time?
Jose Richardson
I don't recall where I read it, but an article mentioned that a too-stout bullet that punches through both sides of a deer is worse than one that stops in the deer. It mentioned that a through-and-through bullet means that your bullet had too much velocity to reliably expand and thus just exited the body cavity rather than just killing the animal outright. I'm pretty sure it was just fuddlore though - a bullet that penetrates completely through an animal should produce enough damage to the vitals (provided you hit it in the right spot) to kill it humanely.
Obviously it's not saying .22LR is acceptable - rather that a .243 or .22-250 is preferred in comparison to .358 Win or .300 WM for deer. But I wouldn't know, I just got my license this year. Can anyone clarify?
Logan Martinez
Post your whitetail hunt plans for the coming season
I'm all sighted in for 200 yards with my Remington 700 CDL in .25-06.
I went scouting for a few weekends and this is my primary spot. During the weekend I spend there, I saw several groups of doe/fawn and a couple velvet spikes between 100-600 yards. I am only comfortable taking a shot at a deer out to 400, which is perfect because at ~400 out, on the left is a feed patch with lots of deer activity.
AND the shortest direct route (about 200 yards from a road) is blocked by this cliff, which continues for about half a mile in either direction parallel to the road. There is a trail for access that passes the power lines (visible in last pic), but its about a full mile of hiking and the redneck treestand hunters don't generally fuck with those kind of hikes.
Jelly. Foreign concept in my state. I'm looking at a deer lease in the future to try and keep a yearly hunt, but the price here is like $5k/yr for the tiny ranches.
Austin Rodriguez
Of course if the long range spots don't pan out I'll switch to the brush gun and move to my more dense spots.
I wouldn't. I'd happily hunt with 223, but not 9mm unless it was small game.
Cameron Walker
holy fuck how few people on Jow Forums actually have killed something with a gun? This thread is remarkably slow for peak time.
Eli Richardson
At that barrel length it has the ballistics of a .357 mag from a revolver
Angel Jenkins
Deer are easy to kill. It really doesnt take much, if you're sneaky or a good shot. A 22 air rifle will put down a whitetail just fine. >Minimum caliber for game hunting Both 357 and 243 are fine. As discussed earlier in this thread 223 is fine, though I prefer heavy and slow bullets myself, as this kills them just as dead and doesnt destroy the meat, so I'd probably use something like hornady sbr load for deer. My favorite deer cartridge is 32-20, which is pretty close to the minimum caliber I use when not poaching. Ballistically it is somewhat similar to the 9mm (100gr bullet @ ~1200fps). Yhe smaller diameter compared to 9mm (32-20 is really .31 cal) gives it enough sectional density to shoot through a deer. It is a fine deer cartridge if you can shoot halfway decently, the rifles in that caliber are light and easy to carry all day, and the report is quite enough that you can hear fine after the shot, so you can hear when the deer falls. It killed a fuckton of deer in its day.
Carter Stewart
On that note, what caliber would you use for ~150-200 lb deer (gutted, so only meat weight) at up to 300 metres?
