I want this

But how can I reconcile this desire with the fact Springfield Armory is a traitor to the 2nd Amendment? Would it be permissible to buy it but then give a donation to the NRA? Like a "carbon offset", if you will? How much would be appropriate?

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>chris kyle
>springfield armory
>1911

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It was one cuck representative and Springfield fired his ass immediately.

i was gone for a year can someone explain this?

If you MUST buy a gun made by a JUDAS company, buy only used so none of the money is going to SA.

*deus ex .jpeg*

do you have even a shred of evidence to back that up?

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>b-but what if I can't hit tyrone with only 7 rounds? I-I need at least 17 to feel safe!!!

The 1911 is a man's gun, kid. If you're so certain that you're going to soil your tighty whities and start spraying rounds all over the place the moment Jamal looks at you funny, go get yourself a plastic Glock.

>bearingarms.com/david-l/2017/05/01/springfield-armory-and-rock-river-arms-sell-out-illinois-ffls/
and then a more recent article
>bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/05/01/springfield-armory-rock-river-arms-oppose-gun-dealer-licensing-act/

Easy. Get a CZ instead.

>a donation to the NRA?
BARGAINING AWAY OUR RIGHTS
Donate to GOA or SAF instead.

Hickok told me to sign up for NRA

So if I donate to the SAF I can buy Springfield Armory products?

are there non cucked alternatives to this?

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Well that's just plain wrong

First off, why not get a better 1911 instead if you're already OK with dropping 2700 bucks? Second, as long as you buy from anybody but springfield directly it literally doesn't fucking matter. It's not like the LGS or distributor is going to earmark your money as "springfield armory bux" and set it aside to use it to buy more springers. As long as springfields are selling in general(hint: they are) any money you give to any LGS or distributor would contribute just as much to them buying more guns from springfield since its all going into the same account and being spent on whatever the fuck they want to stock. The only "realistic" solution would be boycotting anybody who carries SA products. Work on developing better taste, but don't worry about stupid shit like that. All your giving them is free advertising which is easily offset with a bit of bitching and moaning if anybody shows an interest in your gun.

examples of better but comparable 1911 designs?

You could just get a Dan Wesson specialist

Colt Railgun

what do you think of that vs the Baer 1911 Ultimate Recon Pistol, 5” ?

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Baer is more money and annoyingly tight with a worse trigger, worse sights, and worse finish but questionable as to whether the accuracy is better. It is all hand worked though while DW is more CNC'd.

you think the novak sights are worse than the trump wall on the rear of the specialist? I wish I could look down both sights

Baers are hard fit whereas DWs are machined ever so slightly over spec and then hand finished. Because of this the baer will be more finicky until broken in, harder to rack, and also tighter fitted in some areas. While im a huge DW fan unless out of the box performance is of the utmost importance the baer is just a slightly higher quality firearm. Of course you'll also be paying a lot of money for that extra quality. FWIW I hear semi frequently that WC is more worth the price than les baer, but neither company is exactly something i've looked into in great detail. Personally the extra 1000-1500 bucks over a comparable DW in which only a single part evidences slop of any kind that's detectable to mere mortals(grip safety side to side play) is just too steep to justify the theoretical benefits(maybe slightly better 50yrd groups?).

Dan Wesson Silverback or Bruin if you want longslide

Is there anything that has all the features of a Springfield Loaded but isn't Springfield? The only one I've seen around the price range is Rock Island/Citadel and I heard they're kind of rough.

Fantastic write-up. How do you feel about Ed Brown compared to those two?

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shut the fuck up old man

Ed brown guns are beautiful works of art made by the biggest shithead imaginable
Fuck Ed Brown

hmm, interesting. Why is he a shithead?

Anyone?

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Buy a dan wesson specialist instead.

Ledge and novak sights present the same picture when you're looking down them.

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>1911 jams after one shot (a hit, but tyrone is still standing)
>DARN THAT BULLET MUST HAVE BEEN SHORT ON STOPPING POWER
>NOW WATCH, THIS SETS THE MEN APART FROM THE BOYS
>I AINT SCARED, I KNOW WHAT THE HELL IM DOING YALL. WATCH THIS. TAP, RACK...
>tyrone: Bang!

A sizable number of people buy a Mosin while at the same time detesting communism. Just because the manufacturer holds certain values doesn’t mean the product is somehow terrible because of it. Also I don’t mean to imply that a Mosin is any good, just making a point.

I unironically hope the allegations on Springfield are true, because I literally don’t care. One it’s illinois so fuck any state that isn’t mine I don’t care and two it’s just good business

With enough an-caps as there are here I would imagine people would understand why they would do this. Big corps do this literally everyday, if you could help write in a law that made sure you had an effective monopoly over a certain field how in the name of fuck would you not sign that shit as fast as you could?

Money is the bottom line to business, business is the bottom line to America if it actually triggers you that a bunch of liberals would have gotten the gun control they both wanted and voted for and someone made profit off of it you’re un-American

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>Im such a good shot i own a 1911
Hey old chimp, do you see how autistic you sound

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Get an STI

You can start kidnapping raping then stabbing the children of those who threaten our rights

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My carry gun is a 1911 and youre a tard

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buying a mosin doesn't support communism, you fucking no-go at logical thought.

Go read my post again you mouthbreather, this time use your thinker.

fuck "Springfield" "Armory"

buy Dan Wesson

buying from an entity that doesn't exist vs supporting an existing one.

Not the point of my post, again. The item may have connotations based upon its history or origin but that doesn’t necessarily alter the product itself.

That's not even what OP is talking about dude. He's not hesitant to buy a Springfield over some abstract sense of morality. He doesn't want to give them MONEY. Because they could hypothetically use that MONEY to continue eroding our rights. Because Springfield still exists, unlike the USSR. Good fucking christ, it's NOT a difficult concept to grasp. How dare you accuse someone else of poor reading comprehension, you absolute moron.

buy multiple RIAs

the flips are alright

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American Classic, Lllama, MAC,SPS, or Sig. None of them betrayed anything. They are all Flip pistols and good for it.

The whole thing about SA being traitorous is overblown bullshit. There's plenty of GOOD reasons to not like Springfield, and they were incredibly fucking inept, but it wasn't an intentional attempt to erode anyone's rights. They hired a single lobbyist, Jay Keller, and set him up with a checkbook and no oversight. There's no way any executive would have knowingly signed off on the incredibly shortsighted deal the guy made, because regardless of the supposed "carveouts" in the bill, Springfield would know that the majority of their sales would come from the FFLs that were getting screwed over, not the big box stores that were exempt. This wasn't Bill Ruger's logic happening again, they weren't betting on being the lone survivor in the IL market--they're pushing their brand new Saint line, AR pistols, etc. Stuff that Walmart and Bass Pro doesn't sell. People are accusing SA of profiteering from anti-2a laws, but it was just as bad a deal for them as anyone--they had hired a dumbass lobbyist with no understanding of the industry or the importance of a no-compromise stance in politics, and he was treating it like lobbying for any other business. When they realized how bad they fucked up, they fired him on the spot, apologized, and immediately went about dumping a whole lot of money into helping kill the bill. Not saying that makes up for the negligence, but I do believe it wasn't done knowingly by the CEO, and people treating it like a big conspiracy are watching too much of TheYankeeMarshall.

Jay Keller is lobbying for Special Olympics Illinois now.

Here's your anti-2a asshole, for those curious.

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