Rifle retarded

Don't want a 300 win mag anymore as a hunting rifle.

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Is this viable as a hunting rifle? (white tail and up) 6.5 vs 308 is also confusing. (knowing creedmoor has better distance vs meme calibre)

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Depends why you're abounding .300 win mag, what do you want? If the problem is money go .308

6.5 is accuracy overkill for hunting. At the distances you hunt deer, you will have no issue being as accurate as you can be with a .308
Additionally, if you have to hunt in brush, the .308 is going to do way better at punching through to the target.
6.5 is a really neat caliber and perfectly capable for hunting, but it's primary place is punching holes in targets from really far away.

.300WM is stupid. neck is too short for heavy bullets, and pointless with light bullets. .308 Winchester is dumb in a civilian role. 6.5mm is amazing.

>6.5 is accuracy overkill for hunting.
your argument is it's too accurate? youre retarded

>it's primary place is punching holes in targets from really far away
.264 bullets have awesome terminal performance on deer and better sectional desity than your typical .308 hunting bullet.

>300WM is stupid. neck is too short for heavy bullets
Not suggesting OP gets a 300 at all but I keep hearing this and it sounds retarded everytime. Please give an example of what the fuck you mean

My argument is that in 99% of the hunting distances any normal human could expect to find, you don't need 6.5 creedmoor.
At the same hunting distances, both the 6.5 and .308 will perform identically. So why buy a more expensive caliber?

the case neck (the part after the shoulder) is shorter than the diameter of the bullet it fires. this means heavy bullets have to be seated so deep into the case that they encroach on powder capacity and can't reach full potential. that's why competitive 1000 yard shooters and hunters that cared about heavy bullet performance, used to shoot 30-338 instead.
that aside, it's still pointless for deer hunting as the .264 Creedmore get's you the same trajectory advantages .300 Win Mag has over .308 Winchester, in a more efficient package than either. personally I wish the .260 Remington had taken off. that was an amazing cartridge too.

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Creedmore and .308Win are both around $20-$30 per box for modern hunting ammo with quality expanding bullets. wtf are you talking about? you hunt with tula?

Creedmoor shills are the bolt action glockfags

you're the one making glock apologetics tier arguments

I'm not the guy you were responding to. What's with glockfags always demanding a fight with people who don't give a shit about their obsession?

all I see is constant CZ threads.
.308 fags are LARPers that think it's good just because the military uses 7.62x51, despite it being dumb for the civilian market when compared to a bunch of superior options.

.308 has been killing shit for a long time. Your new round doesn't do anything more than a .308 will. No reason to switch.

.308 is lower pressure too slow the barrel will stay in spec for longer

>accuracy overkill

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Good semi-automatic rifle at a cheap price?

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Enlighten me on how a longer neck would help with that

30-06 has been killing shit longer and shoots 200 grain bullets at higher velocity.

SAAMI pressure spec for both .308 and 6.5 Creedmoor are both 62,000psi.
that said, it's you want to duplicate .308 at an even lower pressure, 30-06. it'll do every thing a .308 will do, at a lower pressure than .308, and exceed it's performance when using heavier bullets.

What if I want a 16", .30 cal, box magazine fed, semi-auto with TONS modularity, I can hunt reliably, defend myself reliably, massive stockpiles and round options and practice with for cheap?

I'm unaware but if their is an AR-10 model that shoots 6.5 Creedmoor for a comparable gun price and PPR.

But in all honesty, I'll wait just a little longer if I want one. They will only get cheaper with more production. Right now I'm trying to build a "last rifle I will need" for lack of a better term and I don't feel comfortable with production on these weapons yet.

I do the same with computers, let my shit go a little over 50% obsolete [50% more performance from competition] then I upgrade for SUPER cheap with production and technology on the items becoming more understood.

>> .308 Winchester is dumb in a civilian role

Wtf are you on about?

same pressure smaller diameter means more wear but you're right thanks for clarifying the specifics

I reread my post and see why you're confused. I didn't explain it well.
it's a compound issue. the thing that was great about .300WM was that it fit in standard length actions. the problem is it just barely fits, and it has a short neck. heavy for caliber bullets, VLDS, all copper bullets, are long and you have to seat them deep in the case. this encroaches on powder capacity and some other internal ballistics issues, but is't the actual issue. the short neck means when you seat it deep in there, you don't have enough neck to grab the actual shank of the bullet. cartridges like 30-338 or .308 Norma Mag don't have that problem. that means to shoot heavy bullets in a .300WM, you have to use a magnum length action so you can seat the bullets out enough to get neck tension on the bullet shank. well, if you're going to get a mag length action, you might as well just go with a .300 Weatherby or something else than a .300WM.
does that make more sense?

better options exist outside of NATO constraints. don't worry, y'all will fall out of love with it once they eventually switch to some 6.5mm or .270 caseless telescoping cartridge.

>home range hero

maybe if this was 20 years ago. cheap and good quality 7.62 surplus dried up years ago. "cheap" is a relative term when talking about blasting .308 ammo. even complete shit Tula is still $0.40 per round before shipping, and I can't imagine why you would spend $2500 on an AR-10 just to stockpile and blast that crap out of it. practice close range shit with a cheap AR, and hone your longer range skills with the AR-10 using quality ammo.
you could make it more cost effective if you got into cartridge case reloading. yes 6.5mm Creed is an option in an AR-10 style rifle, but if you're going to be reloading for it, I'd go with .260 Remington.

If the neck was extended but saami spec length was left the same then you'd still have a problem. What you say on powder capacity is only true follow saami guidelines, which if you're a serious long range shooter, competition or not, you don't do.
300wby has a host of problems related to non-custom rifles built for them (kind of like 300wm), expensive rare brass, and trades like 10% more powder for 1% more velocity in my experience
30-338 is a different class requiring a different bolt face and, judging by the specs, you can't shoot very many before needing to put the next barrel on. I've never met someone with one.
If you meant factory loads will have a hard time competing due to limited saami specification lengths and 99% of factory rifles having a 1:10 or 1:11 twist limiting what loads will be sold for it then I agree. In my opinion, anyone who wants to buy a magnum and get a worthwhile amount of performance out of it needs to handload to keep up with the quickly disappearing lands and choose the appropriate bullet and they must build custom to account for a CIP length bottom metal and the twist rate they'll be shooting on. Factory rifle and loads can't compete.

.308 is perfectly fine for anything in NA

300 wm fine for military long range precision. It's fine for fudds, tactical larps alike.

Yeah it knocks you silly though. I think 308 cuz more $ for more range practice. 6.5 isn't far off from low end 300wm prices

243 is a personal favorite

30-06 is only worth it if you're an avid reloader.