are helmets of any benefit in circumstances where you're not likely to encounter much shrapnel? for example in guerilla warfare between two sides in a civil war where there's few, if any tanks or aircraft involved and most fighting is done with rifles and maybe the occasional IED, would a helmet just slow you down, or would it be as necessary as something like a plate carrier (which only offers moderate protection from certain angles anyway)
and if they are useful instead of a hindrance, would steel be obsolete because of it's inability to protect against rifle rounds?
>may stop bullets >protects from blunt strikes, blades, and accidental collisions to envinronment >protects from FIRE and chemicals to some degree
Helmets are all around good for you. Not even most of the modern helmets can stop rifle rounds effectively. That's not to say that people would not get lucky from time to time thanks to their personal gear protecting them from sudden death.
Steel is obsolete simply because of its weight, but a good condition steel pot is still better than nothing.
I have no idea how especially a modern ~1kg kevlar pot would "slow you down"; if anything, it's a huge morale boost, since your #1 body part is getting some constant protection.
this Helmets provide all-around good protection for your head, even if it's just falling debris and the occasional blunt impact. It's only 1 kilo, what have you got to lose?
Jace Torres
well how much would a full set of ar500 plates add ontop of that? 180 rounds in 6 mags? a rifle? boots? medkit? that shit starts to add up and at some point you become less effective as an individual because you're wearing gear designed for groups with good comms, supplies and backup.
Julian Gomez
There was a study done either WWI or WWII the amount of casualties and injuries went down significantly with the introduction of helmets for just about everyone.
Jack Cruz
Helmets fucking suck. They suck even more in an environment like you describe i.e. guerilla, or reconnaissance operations. Useful for mounting Nods, but then again so are skull crushes.
Is cracking your head against shit a good for you?
This is literally 4/5 of why you where a helmet
Leo Turner
Don't hot shit special forces use regular bump helmets or is that just a '90s thing?
Cameron Sanders
Oh look, it's THIS argument again. Once again: git gud and git fit. One kilogram of kevlar on your head may safe your life. "Effectivety" has jack shit to do with anything when a small .22 sized stray projectile may turn you into a wormfood or vegetable on the spot.
Especially if you're far off from any kind of support and maintenance, you wanna avoid getting wounded.
This. Even the primitive steel pots provided some 30% reduction in casuality.
That's ancient history mate. We got high-cut, low weight ballistic helmets for just that. Hell, you can even get full PASGT-style level IIIA helmets that weight less than 900 grams these days.
Owen Cruz
Welp, posted wrong pic. Still, people wasting 1000s of bucks on some fancy pants plate carrier, but run around without a head protection, are just asking to get peppered by a buckshot from the distance.
>be driving along rough ground in open topped vehicle >go over big bump >top cover nearly gets thrown out of the vehicle >machine gun mounted on top comes out of its mount >crashes down on top of my head >feels like it nearly cracked my helmet in two >massive headache for 2 days after
If I hadn't had a helmet on I probably would have been killed
Noah Watson
>and most fighting is done with rifles and maybe the occasional IED even in that scenario, a stray IED has a much higher chance to kill you than a bullet
Matthew Anderson
it was ww1. head injuries actually went up because fatalities went down, but it was almost ALL due to shrapnel.
Blake Powell
those are much more so you don't bash your head on door frames and rocks and shit, not stopping fragmentation / bullets
Austin Gomez
What you described has been some of the #1 purposes of military helmets since WW1. However, people do not make ballistic helmets just for bumping into shit. We got legit level III hi-cut helmets nowadays for a good reason: why compromise with comfort and protection, when you can have both ?
Eli Nguyen
Unless you're the first shot you shouldn't have anything visible other than your weapon head and a hand or two.
Now consider what armor is most important.
Brody Jenkins
a full third of injuries in iraq were from off-duty incidents like car crashes a helmet will really help when your top heavy MRAP topples over, i would think
IEDs account for the 75% of all injuries sustained in battle, given how often people tell stories of them yanking a metal bits out of their helmet, i would think helmets are still a very important piece of gear
then theres the fact you can strap useful stuff to your helmet, like night vision or blast goggles a lot easier to use the existing mounts already on them instead of fiddling with your cloth hat
helmets arent bulletproof, nor do they make you invincible, but they protect against the most common and widespread threats on the battlefield and prevent you from dying an embarrassing death because your truck rolled over
the benefits of a helmet are almost always worth the extra encumbrance
Colton Davis
>Kevlar hemets a morale boost Confirmed for never have worn one for an extended period.
Elijah Barnes
>Confirmed for never have worn one for an extended period. I was in the army kid ten years ago, kid. The pot was one of the comfiest comforts at the time. Even more so since not all of us even got any body armor.
Who are you trying to sell to gearfag? People don't like heavy obnoxious shit on their heads and it will always manage to start getting in the way.
Noah Lewis
You know how in woodland those fucking mosquitoes get under the helmet and bite your bald head, how do you make that less unpleasant?
David Myers
>muh shill fallacy Modern helmets are not heavy. I loved wearing mine in the boots, and I now got my own personal collection of ballistic helmets.
Never happened to me. Use more OFF.
Liam Garcia
>advocating skull crushers in any capacity dont be gay
Connor Parker
Sick LARPING, kid.
Lincoln Rogers
Yours look a helluva lot more comphy than mine were. Shit had these stupid foam block inserts for padding and they always made that shit sit on top of your head all stupid like. Mad uncomfortable too.
Landon Roberts
Said by someone that obviously has never had to wear a helmet for long periods. Being fit and good has nothing to do with it. It wears on everyone after slogging around for days with little sleep and food. That extra weight means little if you're not in a defensive position likely to be hit with arty or bombs. Plus being able to move easier is better suited for a small group needing to run and gun. Ever notice how units not expected to take heavy fire don't wear helmets? If you you're too clumsy to not hit your head on shit near you, find your tard wrangler and let them know you got on the internet again.
I think the point was that the only pro argument for a helmet could also be made for something universally considered shit.
Not that I'd agree, but there's that.
David Turner
There will be explosions, IEDs have shrapnell. Also this video. youtube.com/watch?v=W0yY4DCShog Alot of the times the rifle bullets travel great distances and depending on the angle, might not penetrate a helmet.
I agree with this user, that it's not necessary for everyone to use it. A small team who spents their entire time in the middle of woods, sabotagin enemy equipment behind their back doesn't really need protection from shrapnell. They also travel alot on foot or on skiis, so the less weight the better.
David Lewis
Sure is nice hitting your head against a doorframe with a helmet on instead of no helmet. Also the reason you saw special forces guys run with skaterhelmets back in the day because it's vital that you don't pass out because you trip over.
Nicholas Anderson
>be in a position to get shot at and have explosives chucked at you "You know what I'd like? Less protection"
Anthony Martinez
I would think that shrapnel and explosive devices would be more common in a modern civil war depending on where it takes place. Many countries don't have a widespread gun ownership so people are going to need to find alternative means to fight, things like throwing bricks and shit might also be a thing in "diverse" neighbourhoods judging from riot vids. It would be a waste of all the $$$ you spent on firearms, ammo, gear and so on just to have your head smacked by a rock or bottle.
So get a helmet and get used to it, be it a modern kevlar one or a larptastic steel pot.
There's a reason why helmets were used by literally every military worth a damn going back beyond prehistory.
Your head is basically a scaled up eggshell, with a bit of skin wrapped around it, housing a blob of tissue with a consistency close to Jello.
If that suffers any damage above a cosmetic scrape, you are going to be disoriented at best, instantly dead at worst. With fun options like knocked cold and, suffering lifelong brain damage in the middle.
Owen Perez
best answer I've gotten so far. Thanks.
Benjamin Russell
>Be in position of running around desert for 20 hours a day with a full combat load on >"You know what I'd like? More heavy shit stacked on top of me."
Lucas James
Ffs I work in factories and construction sites and I still alive because of the stupid white helmet and have eyes cause glases. I cant even imagine how it wont help at war
Parker Rogers
Hey, in a hazardous work environment, it often pays to be wearing some level of protective equipment then not to
Joshua Lee
Sun protection and bump protection Looking cool
Anthony Myers
>most fighting is done with rifles and maybe the occasional IED,
