What is the best ar optic for shtf?

Jack of all trades means master of none

jack of all trades, master of none, is more often better than master of one

Not him but if you don't have binos you already fucked up. Good luck with your unconvential shooting positions when you have to get the same cheek weld every shot like you do with a magnified optic.
Otherwise or some other fixed mag with a red dot on it.

Then put a 3x magnifier on duh

magnifiers are dead weight the majority of the time

Do you want magnification or not?

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Slap it on a quick-detach mount with some BUIS and you have a basically fail-proof setup as far as your optics. No charging required, magnification effective to 400yds, micro-rds for CQB, and irons if your glass fails.

I want an acog with rmr

Carry handle and learn to shoot

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"Specialization is for insects"
-Lazarus Long

The poorfag fuddery is both amusing and pathetic.

Has anyone tried any of the browe BCOs?

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>just buy an infinite amount of batteries so when shtf you always have optics for your sight

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>nighttime fighting
The best is some kind of quality thermal optic.
>hunting
The best is still some kind of quality thermal, but anything can be used.
>unconventional shooting positions
A quality reflex sight
>target identification
something high magnification

Different tools for different purposes.
A holographic/reflex sight or a 1-4/6/8x variable optic will suit most purposes fine, and if you rock a reflex sight, the gap can be filled with some kind of quality binocular. If you're nighttime fighting, you're also nighttime moving, so NVGs and an NVG compatible optic is a tremendous force multiplier as well. Most variable optics are too dim through NVGs to reliably shoot with (but it can be done), so ensure your reflex sight is IR compatible or get an IR laser.

All of this said, nightfighting can and has been done with every technique known to man; iron sights, no sights, bows, spears, clubs, stones, hands, etc. However, the combatant lacking the current technology will be at a disadvantage to those who possess it; the old "don't bring a knife to a gunfight" adage applies. Joe Schmo Jow Forumsommando will get utterly, reliably, and repeatably killed when his opponent whips out the thermal sights in the dead of night and he does not.

>tldr; get a red dot, holo sight, or variable optic and a quality pair of binos. at night, nvgs make the enemy deader, thermals make him deadest

Tell that to the F35.

the F-35 is good.

Has anyone tried this bad boy? I really like the idea of red dots but the thought of my battery running dead puts me off. It doesn't have to be a nail driver, I just want something that I can do tacticool drills with.

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Dual illumination you fucking retard. I know Nerf doesn't sell it, but you could at least make an effort to not look like a nogunz.

"optics for your sight"

Jesus christ

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1-6 variable zoom scope is the best

Said no one.

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Why have another variable to have to rely on though. It’d be good for magnification if there’s any but you can reliably count on your irons to be the more accurate.
In a situation where your first shot can end an engagement before it begins would you trust that sight after months of use in any kind of shtf situation to make an important shot or would you rather be confident in knowing that you can make the shot with your good ole irons?

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TA33 then. Sacrifice some magnification and FOV for way longer eye relief.

Yes

That’s literally what soldiers on deployments do, you are going to be stuck out in a fob in the middle of bumfuckistan you will be using that optic day in day out in pretty rough conditions. So yes I’d be willing to rely on muni good optic

ACOG NSN (the shitty irons on top aren't as shitty as you'd think)

I have a scope mounted on my carry handle, does that count?

Short term, red dot
Extended duration happening where you might need to collect supplies or guard your area 1-4, 6 or 8x
Long term, 3, 4, 5 or 6x prism scope

Iron sights are good to have and can of course be used instead but they're harder to hunt with and harder to identify threats

Whatever chokes your goat, Muhammad.

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look into the meprolight MOR. basically the same thing but with integrated visible and IR laser for night fighting.

Plus you can literally just check your zero on a 25yd range, Face it optics are a perfectly reasonable call to use in SHTF

Said Me.

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What sights that take batteries have dual illumination?

I fucking hate this argument. Yes, magnified optics gives you an advantage at further distances. Primarily in PID and detailed scanning in areas(bases of trees, tops of defilades, bushes, etc). While all that is true, magnified optics by no means makes iron sights obsolete, nor do they give you any advantage that puts you on a higher superior level than someone who is using irons. The only time when magnified optics DO give you a superior advantage is at ranges of 500 meters and beyond, due to the Human eye no longer being adequate at such ranges.

But we're not talking about long range shooting. We are talking about a do everything rifle for SHTF in general purpose situations. And in general purpose situations, i.e. one man, fireteam, squad level engagements. Average distances of the vast majority of gunfights happen at and within 300 meters. With the majority of those happening at ranges from 50-150 meters. Shooting with irons, even out to 300, does not put you at a substantial disadvantage versus those with magnified optics. Human targets are still visibly seen, positive identification can still be done, and accurate shooting is still possible, as in, you're not gonna be shooting at shadowy silhouettes.

The same arguments can be said for comparisons of iron sights versus red dots in CQB(35 meters and within). Yes, red dots like aimpoints will give you slight advantages, but these advantages come in the form of having a sight alignment and trigger pull time only fractions of a second faster than someone with irons. And in real life situations, positioning, maneuvering, and the use of teamwork and equipment rank far higher in importance than a couple fractions of a second, as in. Being a second faster at aligning your sights and pulling the trigger doesn't mean shit if me and bubba snuck up to your flank and gunned you down on your side and finished the job with a frag for good measure.

Also, AESTHETIC

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That's great and all, but it can be difficult getting good sight alignment in deep darkness. Not a problem for red dots, just put the dot on the muzzle flash. It helps tremendously when shooting from shitty or improvised shooting positions, which you will almost always be in. Not a problem for red dots. Also, despite most combat occuring within 300m, a person who is trying not to be seen can be damned tough to spot even out to 50m. Optics are worth their weight in gold.

Irons aren't obsolete in the sense that they can still kill a man, but optics do outperform them in almost every way.

Since the peasantry outnumber the gentry, what would be the best poorfag prism optic? Fixed magnification with illumination powered by battery that can be turned off and on as needed is an upgrade over irons.

I can see issues with further engagements at night with irons, but with that said. most who are capable of finding and shooting bad guys at night at further distances like 100 meters are probably using NVG's anyways. That and also for fighting in close range, even if you don't have NVG's, you can always use a flashlight. All rifles should have a light and a sling by default, no matter what.

If I wanted versatility what would you guys suggest is the better option.

EOtech with the magnifier
Or
Trijicon accupower 1-8

I know EOtech get a lot of shit but I have heard they are relatively reliable.

Burris ar-332

>would you trust that sight after months of use
dont buy garbage sights then? holy fuck
the battery life on red dots is measured in years. Just storing 3 extra CR2023s in your grip is enough for 15 years of use
> Yes, red dots like aimpoints will give you slight advantages
so you admit its just flat out better aside from
>well maybe the battery will run out in 20 years!
>positioning, maneuvering, and the use of teamwork and equipment rank far higher in importance
no shit, optics dont make it so you cant also effectively do these things
>AESTHETIC
thats all it is with you fucks. "aesthetic" fags and HUGE poorfags.

for

God I hate this place sometimes... how was it

>so you admit its just flat out better aside from
It has a slight advantage. Which means on a one on one fair match between a guy who is well trained on irons vs. A guy who is well trained with an aimpoint, both will accomplish the same goals to the same levels of effectiveness. And again, we are speaking about a general purpose sight for a general purpose rifle. If you were a member on seal team uno, going in doorkicking and shit, then yeah. Grab that mk18 and slap on a fucking aimpoint, cause that will do the job just fine. But now try engaging a target at 200m with it. It can be done, but I would give the advantage to the guy with the irons over the guy with the aimpoint for that. Same with optics. Have fun having to deal with shit eye relief when trying to shoot underneath a car or having to rely on point aiming when clearing through buildings rather than using the sights.
>inb4 red dot mount on top
Have fun with that six inch aim height.

I'll agree on those points.

A holosun woth a flip magnifier behind it and backup irons

do you know what 1-6x optics are?
inb4 you think
>Have fun having to deal with shit eye relief when trying to shoot underneath a car or having to rely on point aiming when clearing through buildings rather than using the sights
applies to them

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>mk18 and slap on a fucking aimpoint
>now try engaging a target at 200m with it
this isnt remotely hard with a red dot. With a 3x magnifier its even easier.

Red dot is best. Even if you get into the possibility of a shooting, it will be with 150 yards. You should be breaking contact and not getting into a shootout anyway.

>not being able to use irons at close range
Do you still need to hold someones hand when crossing the street?

>not being able to use irons at close range
where the fuck did I say that

I preordered it and it took like 1.9 years for it to get delivered to my door but finally somehow miraculously it showed up and it's good, uses Schott glass which is better than japanese in Trijicon, overall preeeeetttyyy koooooooooool but hehe I'm just a hobbyist and it's on a Noveske Infidel (flat dark earth)

Can someone who has expience with ACOGs tell me if you’re supposed to shoot them with both eyes open or just one eye like a traditional scope? What about the lower magnified ones like the ta33?

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>just one eye like a traditional scope
you are supposed to shoot traditional scopes with both eyes open too.

>hurr durr I like batteriyes I have a red dot it's real highdrag low whatever I hope mommy still gets my packages with batteries for it for me

>Posts dude with a lpvo
>Dude also has an offset red dot
Shut up retard

but no irons, also you didnt address the argument. Anyways heres a delta force operator with just a lpvo. Fuck off back to your poorfag pit.

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You'd be better off investing that extra money on other items for SHTF like (ammo, food, hardening your home, etc). You aren't going to be running around engaging 'the enemy'. If you actually want to survive you should be on defense.

Just buy a decent set of binoculars for your scouting and recon needs. It's all you will realistically need.

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>dude has an offset red dot instead of offset irons
lol, really makes u think eh

>But now try engaging a target at 200m with it
Extremely easy with a red dot.

I only own one 556 rifle with red dot it's a MRO but all my other rifles have
x1-6 (powered)
x1-4 (powered)
x1.5-8 (no juice)
x4 (powered)
x1.5 (no juice)

And all the batteries I bought 8-9 years ago have pretty much kicked the bucket (lots of dead juice)

Irons are probably better than complete poorfag optics, but high quality optics are far, far better. The army didn't switch over to them for no reason.

>hurr durr I shoot irons on my AESTHETIC a2 meme rifle and can’t see my sight picture after 7pm

im convinced a lot of these poorfags are buying $40 acog clones and amazon chinese red dots, having them break, having the batteries run out, and having them be generally awful, then getting the idea in their heads that all optics must be awful

Yeah, even 200 dollar optics will do fine. Shit like aimpoints and acogs are impossible to break, though I hate the eye relief on the standard issue acog.

no one makes a kick all the ass sight
>fiber optic
>donut of death or triangle of death or some other reticle design thats more washout resistant than a 2 moa dot
>small common (replaceable) low energy light that lights up fiber optic
>runs on AA or calculator solar cell

>he's never taped a small glow stick or an LED to an ACOG

thats basically what I want, but pre made and shock resistant, im not sure about the tritium they use in ironsights, tritium watches seem a million times brighter

>the human eye is adequate at 500 yards
for torso sized targets but the most you’re gonna see is someone’s head if they know what what they’re doing and are in the prone position or behind cover.

Aimpoint PRO + BUIS for ALL situations.

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Batteries have a shelf life of like 12 years retard those batteries you have stored in your buttstock aren’t going to be worth shit after batteries stopped being produced in this hypothetical collapse

A collapse like that will never happen. And if it does the world is not worth living in anyways.

>Not wanting to ascend your clique of bandits into warlordism, conquering entire city states and turning yourself from a tribal leader to the leader of the most powerful empire throughout the wasteland
Don't just let your dreams be dreams user.

posting best optic

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>why don't you want to be Somalia

yeah..idk

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You sound like the kind of pleb that would work the fields outside of the city walls.

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i like my burris xtr ii 1-5

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Stay mad as fuck poser

lol'd

Burris is garbage. Discard it and buy something decent.

Vortex is also garbage btw.

You shut yer whore mouth.

ACOG as day optic. If you really need something for use at night, get NVs and a IR laser.

maybe the poorfag models you buy.

post your razor or gtfo

>tripfag subhuman
>opinion that matters

pick only one

This poorfag likes his Romeo5/Juliet combo!