Honestly, who would win, if they'd ever clash?
ISIS or Cartels
Honestly, who would win, if they'd ever clash?
Brody Rogers
Levi Jenkins
ISIS
Cartels are ultimately a business, ISIS is a bunch of zealots, who wont quit wheb the cost outweighs the benefit
Justin Stewart
I disagree, ISIS were a flash mercenary legion. They are more combat effective but cant last as long or maintain supply lines.
James Jones
Without a doubt isis. One fights because they believe it's what God wants while the other because someone is paying them to
Jace Young
Depends which one had the most cia support that week.
Luis Campbell
Welp, thats the thing, op never defined the field of combat, rules of engagement, force sizes, or anything really
So any answer could be met with a "Yeah, but what if....."
Hunter Baker
ISIS. The Cartels only want money, cut off the money and they lose all motivation. But ISIS will fight to the death for nothing but religious devotion alone.
Jose Ramirez
Parker Johnson
I'll go against the others and say cartels. Not only because it is a broad group of cartels which includes all of them working together against Isis. Some of these cartels are actual special forces that went rogue. I don't think Isis has a navy unlike the cartels. Not to mention their fleet of aircraft they actually use. Sure Isis has the religious motivation but they still need money to operate which the cartels have more of. Cartels could more easily get more members since they are hired guns. If you run out of extremists that's it. If you run out of hired guns you just buy more. Sure Isis could pull in bodies from SE as is and Africa but cartels could as well as well as the rest of the world.
Colton Rodriguez
Mercenaries dont strap themselves with suicide vests of hop into SVBIEDs
Brayden Garcia
This. Cartels=Money. Money=Everything. Not only that but cartels are smarter than mudshits.
Nolan Sanders
Cartels.
ISIS at its peak was 40k men.
Cartels and associates outnumber them something like 5 to 1. And cartels have a larger population base to boot. Mexico alone has like 130 million people.
Ian Ramirez
Is the Toyota Tacoma low key the greatest war machine ever built?
Chase Jackson
en.wikipedia.org
Not even low key.
Lucas Evans
ISIS at the height of their power
>Tens of thousands of fighters well equipped and armed with an assortment of small arms, RPGs, LMGs, and GPMGs
>Operating loads of Tanks, SPAAGs, SPARTYs, MLRSs, APCs, and IFVs. Also using thousands of Technicals armed with HMGs, AAG and AAA
>Additionally, they have robust HME production and prolific usage. Up-armored SVBIEDs were some of their most iconic weapons
>Pioneered the usage of UAVs in both a C2 function and a tactical/offensive function
>Effective logistics system fueled by billions of dollars in gold, ancient artifacts, slaves, taxes, ect
>Drew upon decades of jihadist warfare experience by attracting the veterans of nearly every jihadist conflict in the modern era, and from around the world
Cartels at their most consolidated
>Tens of thousands of fighters well equipped and armed with an assortment of small arms and LMGs
>Operating several Technicals armed with HMGs
>Possess adequate HME production, but rarely used
>Effective logistics fueld by billions of dollars in drugs, slaves, extortion, etc
>Combat experienced centered around decades of combating law enforcement figures and rival cartels
ISIS wins hands down
Jayden Miller
And of course I forget ISIS's stockpiles of ATGMs, MANPADSs, and Recoilless rifles
Dylan Bell
The Toyota Hilux is legitimately the most common, well loved IFV in the world
They've even lowkey offered them up armored with machine gun pintels from the factory in the past
Samuel Torres
Mercenaries don't kill themselves
Anthony Cruz
isis also holy fuck this bitch capacha. Why did they have to break legacy, its like arguing with a progressive trying to get this shit in.
James Mitchell
South america and arab countries have same IQ levels and are brown people. Tough choice.
Oliver Reyes
>pit two criminal organizations against each other
>their endgoals don't conflict with each other
>end up joining forces and buttsex OP all day long
Benjamin Morgan
I have to agree. Cartels, while ultimately a business, have actual logistics. Their main job is getting things from point a to point b as efficiently as possible. So wherever they need to be, their equipment will be as well. Not to mention they aren't idiots, and their leadership got to their positions largely because of merit. Also, while their focus isn't on combat, don't underestimate just how salty some of their sicarios are. The cartels often recruit people straight out of the military, so a lot of them are professionally trained.
Carson Richardson
>ISIS mission statement: purge the infidels
>average cartel member: a devout catholic
Their end goals seem at odds to me.
Gabriel Reyes
They work together, ISIS is the ones who started the beheading craze in MX
Easton Gray
Money isn’t that important. The Saudi have a ton of money and they’re getting their asshole torn wide open by Houthi rebels. F-15 jets, Western tech and South-American mercenaries didn’t change anything.
ISIS held it’s own against two armies. It consists of dumb zealots, but also of very experienced and highly motivated troops from ex-Soviet Republics. If it hadn’t be for Russian involvement and Western airstrikes, ISIS would still be strong.
Ryder Edwards
>The Toyota Hilux is legitimately the most common, well loved IFV in the world
I'd be interested to see an estimate of the total count of deployed Hiluxs vs the total count of deployed Shermans, or Jeeps or other ubiquitous military vehicles from WW2.
What produced more cheap IFVs, Toyota or LendLease?
Isaac Roberts
Can we create the Isis level of fanatical support and morale for a western cause like liberty, and freedom?
Gavin Gray
No, only the butthurt of a zealot incel cast aside by a free competitive society creates that abandon. All muslims who want to move into the Islamic State are autistic, spergy pieces of shit who need Allah to give them a wife that respects them by force.
Adrian Long
The cartels.
Cartel money can easily buy all the pig manure made in Denmark every year. And to put that into perspective, Denmark has about 25,000,000 pigs, and each pig makes on average 5 litres of manure a day, for a grand total of 45,656,250 m3 of pig manure.
Once they've bought all the pig manure made in Denmark over a year, they'll then have to lease a few thousand transport aircraft. Also not that big of a problem when you're the cartel.
Then while they're waiting, they'll build a machine that will automatically fill 45,656,250,000 water balloons with 1 litre of pig manure.
Then the air campaign begins, in what will later be known as the piginning of the dirtiest war in history. Now, the question is how dirty? Well, estimates say that ISIS controls 35,000 miles2, so the cartels could bury the entire area in half a mm of pig manure.
Remind me again - how much pig manure does it take to render something unclean according to these religious extremists?
Want more? Well, let's call in support from the US, Germany, Spain and Poland. Now we have ~150 million pigs in total, and they'd be able to cover the areas currently controlled by ISIS in 3 mm of pig manure. It's not going to drown them, but when everything they touch is covered by pig manure, I'm pretty sure they'll spend half their days cursing the day they took on the Mexican cartels.
Want to make it worse? The Mexican cartels buy a couple of disused tanks and engines from a MIG-21, and turn it into the worlds largest pig manure mistifier to be used when clearing out cities.
Adam Jackson
Only if you want "liberty" and "freedom" parroted by sub-burger tier retards.
Fanaticism and simplemindedness go hand in hand.
Jack Nguyen
Kek
Jason Bailey
The people watching LiveLeak.
Jaxon Rogers
>implying you need to be barbarians to deal with barbarians instead of just coming to the societal conclusion that they are barbarians.
go back to age of imperialism ROE when the west was only in the middle east to build and protect railroads and none of this shit happens.
>dune coons get uppity
>burn down every town within 15 miles of your strategic or economic target (like the oil fields we should own) and shoot any local who tries to plant a car bomb or get within mortar distance.
same for letting pfizer corporatize the afghan opium trade for (((medicinal))) uses instead of glow in the dark CIA niggers running global heroin production.
A global economic crusade on islam would be far more effective than taking clay. Without foreign food aid, western technology, and energy independence from middle eastern oil the whole region would return to the bronze age in a decade.
Ayden Gray
God, now i want to strap a 50 cal on the cab of mne
Jack Nguyen
Cartels put up a good fight but ISIS prevails
Julian Wood
Everyone.