9mm is a meme. Anything a 9mm can do, a .45 can do better. Plus, the .45 is designed as a subsonic round so it's quiet when suppressed instead of switching to a limp-dick subsonic 9mm round.
>inb4 9mm has a higher capacity
Shoot better, fags
So, prove me wrong
>protip: you cant
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what if 9 niggers attack you at once
*sip*
Price: 9mm
Capacity: 9mm
Availability: 9mm
Versatility: 9mm
Penetration: 9mm
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Prove it
Ok I'll bite at the bait...
Here are some of the advantages that the 9mm has over the .45 ACP:
It has a larger magazine capacity given a similarly sized firearm
Its compact nature makes it easier to carry, especially concealed carry
It has less recoil, making it an easier gun to handle – especially for beginners
The guns and ammo are significantly cheaper; sometimes as much as half the price
The 9mm also has a higher muzzle velocity than the .45 ACP because it uses lighter bullets. This has caused a debate in the firearms community over what’s better, a fast and light cartridge or a heavy and slow one.
While the answer to this is up to debate, one thing is certain: higher muzzle velocity does equal slower bullet drop.
One of the most attractive things about choosing a 9mm for home defense is having more rounds at your disposable.
Many handgun enthusiasts believe that bigger is, in fact, better and love everything that the .45 ACP has to offer. Here are some of its best features:
Over-penetration isn’t as much of a problem with this caliber (see: big, fat, slow bullets)
Over 100 years of testing and iteration have produced some very powerful .45 ACP bullets
While slightly impractical, the .45 ACP also has the coolness factor on its side. It’s a battle-tested gun that’s played an important role in American history during the 20th century.
There’s no doubt that the .45 ACP is a classic handgun that’s not going anywhere in the foreseeable future, but it just doesn’t outperform the 9mm.
Advancements in modern defensive ammo technology have helped the 9mm improve by leaps and bounds over the past 30 years; it’s not the same underpowered round that the FBI abandoned in the early 1980s.
With a good modern defensive ammo, the 9mm is just as powerful as any .45, just in different ways.
Furthermore, the 9mm is more practical for the average shooter looking to spend time on the range.
With boxes of 9mm rounds being 30 to 40% cheaper than .45 per round
>Anything a 9mm can do, a .45 can do better
Lol
>higher capacity
>lighter
>higher velocity
>cheaper
Try harder fuddy five faggots
Is it just me or is there a bigass cap between the case and the bullet on the .45.
>cheaper
Nigger detected
>weaker
Forgot one poor limpwrist nigger.
Go commit suicide you old pale devil. The sooner the era of the wh*toid comes to an end, the sooner stopping power faggots disappear.
Not necessarily a bad thing. My girlfriend could shoot you with a 9mm and I don't think you'd know the difference between that and a .45
BOY! Git me muh stahpin PoWuh jamteen elluhven!!
Consider the following:
>Pic related
Actually, bullet drops at the same speed. 9mm just covers more distance.
9mm has a flatter trajectory than the 45.
I bet your girlfriend loves shooting Jamal's 9, user. He doesn't even need it though because his dick still penetrates further than his Glock.
Keep bragging to her about how great your new CZ and think that she still cares about guns more than his BBC.
Nice, a cartridge with real power. Too bad it gets no respect because people can't appreciate wheelguns anymore.
10mm is better then 9mm
45 is for fudds, hipsters, and zoomers
anything with a caliber that doest start with at least .4 is for fruits generally
.45 is actually quite a bit louder suppressed than subsonic 9mm.
the real question is, 9mm or 380 acp?
home defence and supress
i'll take who is chip mccormick for $100, alex
380 fmj only does something like 14" in ballistic gel. That's really bad.
Non-45ACP fag here.
Why do 9mm people not realize there is 10round magazines(That are 100% reliable) with 1911 and can shoot lighter bullets too (Around 185gr from what I've seen) at higher velocity while still being 45 cal.
Would think 10+1 rounds in a gun basically covers 99% of all self defense shooting and extra 10rd mag making it 100%
No memeing aside really (I'm a 38 special fag)
well it doesn't over penetrate that's for sure lmao
>9mm power combined with with 10mm recoil, from a 10mm size gun but with less capacity
45acp is probably the dumbest caliber thats still commonly used
9’s are for straight sois
.45 Super
230 grain 1100 FPS JHP
One shot stop
Preach brother
Price shouldn't be a factor unless you're really on tight budgets. .45acp isn't THAT much more expensive. We're not talking .454cassul levels of expensive.
Capacity I'll give you that.
Availability is a mute point, they're both available at such an easy margin, but yes sure take availability.
Versatility has to go to .45acp.
Almost all rounds are easily suppressed, you can shoot .45+p or even .45super with the change of a spring and you start nearing .44 mag levels. Some guns like the USP can handle the occasional 45super.
Yes 9mm penetrates more. But they're both adequate at penetrating, that extra penetration of 9mm won't defeat body armor. The difference is that .45cal expands to an inch.
All that being said. I prefer 9mm but to say 9mm beats .45 in everything is just being a brainlet.
If 9 niggers attack me at once, I want a long gun. A glock 17 even with 33 round mags might not be enough.
That being said, REALISTICALLY, unless they're all armed up, coordinated, and have planned my demise, they'll most likely all disperse at the first sound of gunfire.
I probably like .45 more than you do and still think you're a fag for acting like it's superior to 9mm. It's alright to like niche things, no need to be that defensive about it.
Not even 10mm beats the expansion on a .45
Then you're fucked even if you packed a full retard P90. What do you think is going to happen when you get attacked by a group like that? Are they going to turn into zombies and slowly shuffle towards you while you execute perfect headshots? Best and most likely case is you shoot once and they get the fuck out because this just became more trouble than it's worth. Worst case, they're all armed and at least 3 of them start shooting at you before you can empty your mag.
Let's say they're not armed, but a gun comes out and they go against their self-preservation instincts and rush you. You would realistically have 18 shots maximum of 9mm to kill every single one. They're not going to be in a concentrated mass, so you have to mag dump on a spread out group of nine targets. Bare in mind, you have to do this FAST, because these people are presumably coming to kill you from a distance of probably ten yards or fewer. You will have about three seconds to fatally hit each one of them at least once with no more than two shots per target. Remember that even if you kill all but two, that's still enough to pound your head into the pavement with your empty gun.
You capacityfags are so delusional, I swear to god.
>
Truth be told, this realization is why I carry a pocket J-Frame.
Right, because having a .45 magically solves that problem
I like them both...
Did you not read the first half? There is literally nothing you could carry that would help you short of a rifle and even that wouldn't guarantee a win.
Go shoot anything with a 9mm and then shoot it with a .45
The holes are literally twice as big
>higher capacity
Just got pic related. 15+1 rds, $280usd
>inb4 poorfag
groce
lol, good luck with that jam o matic.
This underated post
>Remington
Mag size doesn't matter when it jams after the 1st one retard. Why did you think it was so cheap?
Apparently, that issue has been resolved since released. Will post results eventually.
Yes it is, but it's also a fuck of a lot more killy
I work at one of the highest volume ERs in the country. In the year I've been here, a .45 has only killed 2 patients whereas we have a 9mm fatality once a week.
Appreciating revolvers for aesthetics and range fun, sure. Condoning carrying one over the multitude of reliable, high capacity, lightweight, accurate, polymer sub-guns, nope.
Because cc'ing a heavy ass 1911 with an extendo is borderline retarded and for HD you should be using a rifle or shotgun anyways
Price IS a factor. And budget you can dedicate to practice will go further with 9mm.
some cop recently nearly died in a shootout with a perp who wasn't on drugs of any kind. He emptied all but 4 rounds into the guy. I think it was around 40-something shots fired on his part. He hit the guy 14 times, including in the heart, both lungs, the kidneys, an other various leg and torso hits. In the end it was the 3 rounds to the head that put him down. For furthur context, the perp had time to fire an entire magazine from one gun, go back to his car, grab a second, fire with that weapon, and was preparing to fire again when the cop fired into his head.
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Source. The shootout lasted almost a full minute. Virtually every vital organ took a hit from the .45acp but he kept going.
Depends really. Honestly most of the data I've seen points more towards worrying about your individual accuracy and comfort with the weapon over any caliber bullshit. Obviously this changes depending on your exact situation
Long story short, all handgun rounds, particularly autoloaders, suck at killing compared to rifles. And debate about the 3 major rounds is faggot talk, because it's angels dancing on the head of a pin.
Yep! The killing power of the calibers themselves is moot in comparison to the difference between different bullets and loadings, the only real concern is in the platforms they're being carried and used in
I knew you would come in here and post about this bullshit. Come on man
In other words, everyone get the cocks out of your mouths, train to hit the cns.
Ok, want some other bullshit?
buckeyefirearms.org
an in depth study showing a near total completely similarity in both the rounds to stop, stop rate, and one shot stop rate of .45acp and 9mm.
Again, yep! Mozambique should be standard for pretty much every one, unless youre using a gun you cant comfortably excel with headshots with. If thats the case you should also consider switching firearms.
this guy niggers
What if .45 of a nigger attacks you at once
Right on, my man. How many world wars did 9mm win, again?
9mm is a bad guy round and .45 is a hero round. That's why
Not really dude, not for me it isn't. I make more than enough, if I shoot 1000 rounds in one session, I can comfortably afford either. Sure, 9mm is more affordable, but not by a margin that matters to me.
I'm not blasting through hundreds of rounds a day. I'll shoot around 500 a week, tops.
let's not forget the .45acp +p is nearly as powerful as a full load 10mm
Because people here are literally contrarian no-gunz who just watch of YouTube videos while having a very shallow knowledge of basic firearms.
I got a .45 because it's louder. That's it. I also like the fact it makes bigger holes in the inanimate objects I shoot. Because like everyone on this whole board, I'm probably never going to need a pistol for anything else. And this . Everyone on par with the gearfags at the range mocked here.
I'm used to the recoil impulse of my HK45, which honestly is more manageable than my friends sig p230 .380. Carrying what you're used to and comfortable with is more important than ballistics & round count. With that being said, I do carry .450 SMC
>9mm or .380 acp
neither
both world wars were won by 7,62x25mm user
>Higher capacity
What? By 2 rounds? Glock 21 holds 13
>mute
moot point. "moot" was the word you wanted to use but didnt know how.
mute means no sound. moot means no meaning.
unless you're memeing, in which case, carry on.
>Carrying what you're used to and comfortable with is more important than ballistics & round count.
next you'll try to tell me i should train at the range with my carry gun and ammo.
I post on the Jow Forums! I are an expert!
>not reloading
Shoot 9mm but add 1mm
This guy gets it. Mozambique drills are part of my range visits every time. It actually led to one of the most awkward range moments I've ever had. Apparently the guy in the stall next to mine brought one of his friends who is anti 2nd ammendment. I've done this before and it almost always plants the seed of change in their mind so I do recommend it. But this guy was apparently walking around looking over everyone's shoulders and when he saw me going all yo homie is that my briefcase he tapped me on the shoulder and when I turned he started yelling at me that I was obviously trying to learn to kill a person as fast as possible and that I was obviously going to shoot up a school or my job. I told him to fuck off and turned back to my lane. This time he grabbed my shoulder and tried to turn me back to him. Thankfully at this point the range staff intervened and he and his friend were both kicked out.
Ok all that aside, no matter what caliber you're carrying, shot placement is king and you should be training like you believe it.
nigger unless you're clearing out a crack house or some shit you really don't need more than 12 bullets. Chances are you shoot 2 to 4 unless you sperg out and mag dump. And even then it looks way better in court that you shot the victim 6 times rather than you shot the victim 17 times if you do sperg.
getting my USP compact .45 in a few days and I can NOT fucking wait. Gonna get the 12 round mag and we'll be in business. pic related but without the threaded barrel
jesus christ. it's not that you're a poorfag it's that you're a dumb poor fag.
here's a list of guns in that price range and (200-350) and probably all of them are better than that shit. jesus christ user
*Jams*
anyone remember when b8 OPs actually tried?
>those ugly, fat, brown toes
a magical place full of orcs and elves indeed
And not everyone is you. Also if you have other guns that take different ammo you'll have to feed them too, so it all adds up.
wow that mag extension looks bad
This might be the least aesthetic USP i've ever seen
yeah, I'm only gonna use the extension for range practice. I'll carry with the standard 8 round mag with an extra mag on me. most the time it'll look like pic related
I got 9mm because the ammo is cheap.
Generally, a 9mm has higher velocity & less recoil than a .45 ACP
About the Issue of Mag Cap
1. Multiple assailants
2. Private citizens almost face the threat before the police arrive
3. Civil disturbances
4. Your assailants may be equipped w/ hi-cap mags themselves
My glock 30 comes 10 standard.
spooky
>anything a 9mm can do, a .45 can do better
das a lotta bait you got on that hook.
45 though also has naturally subsonic ammo making it better for suppression, and the decreased velocity and larger bullet can be argued to be better to counter over penetration. Though people will bring up the larger bullet retaining more momentum
Lol
Rifles did the infantry cover fire footwork actually, and crew-served and aerial weapons did vast majority of killing.
Shot with forty five? You arn't alive!