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First for permaculture homesteads.

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Second for TAIWAN NUMBAH ONE

>tfw you try producing content that's relevant to the general instead of bitching about politics and nobody cares

If you're talking about your Steyr review, I'm glad you like it. It's a very fine pistol.

Thanks familia

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you had one fucking job

Does anyone know how the Aztech Armories guy does what he does? Special business license? I'm wondering why it's basically him and IRG in that game and no one else.

Marshall is an RCMP verifier and works closely with all govt agencies on both sides. He also doesn't give a fuck about grey areas but obviously won't openly admit that. It's just him and his wife a few younger guys working at aztech

Expensive and annoying business to run. You basically need property on both sides of the border and you need to deal with both bureaucracies at the same time.

There are other companies that do import/export stuff, like Questar, but you only hear about the ones that do it best because why would you go with anyone else?

because they have business entitles on the US side that have a FFL

Prophet River is a pretty good importer/exporter. They seem to focus more on higher-end stuff in their Canadian store, however.

Interesting, thanks. They're really doing a good job, every time I'm looking for something weird they go to great lengths, and the cost isn't even that high- I imagine their margins are pretty slim given all that.

going dark until april

hopefully I'll be down 100 pounds by the time I get back

I need the (You)s bros

Hope you slip on some rotten food and die, fatass.

Based. Good luck on your weight loss

what the fuck are you even talking about fag

>taking 6 months to lose 100 pounds
Nigga I'm losing 10-15 pounds per week.

literally who

Just found out about the WK-180C, anyone shot one of these yet?

>I eat a 7500kcal deficit a day

yeah nah dipshit that's water weight

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fuck you faggot. shit like this has been proven to dissuade you from actually losing weight

what's aztech's total fees for importing a part not listed on their site?

Friendly reminder they're temporarily in stock

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I also do this thing called exercise, tubby. It's great that you're cleaning up your act, but clean up your house, too.

yeah see there's this crazy little thing called thermodynamics

I agree. I spend more energy than usual, I lose something out of it.

Clean up your house and take your cat to the vet.

Wait, you're not doing surgery, are you?

Just count calories, man.

I doubt he can afford the surgery when can't even afford the mental capacity to take care of himself.

Speed and cocaine are top tier weightloss techniques

>It's just him and his wife a few younger guys working at aztech
is that why they don't answer phone calls or answer emails?

No, but I have one on order. Hunting gear guy likes it
My RO has the 92fs girsan knockoff. He thinks its better than a Beretta. I've handled both, haven't shot the girsan though.

Trudeau and the Liberals really like to have a "gotcha" or a "one up" on Trump. You think the Liberals will really push hard on an "Assault weapon" ban now?

I just bought an ar, and have 3 handguns. I should be covered if they prohib anything I'm likely to buy. Hopefully scheer or bernier remove the prohib class if that occurs

Do you weigh 5 thousand pounds

he said 500-600lbs

>Hunting gear guy likes it
he plays favourites and glides over any flaws especially shit made in Canada

he really underplayed the fact that a huge portion of the first 1000 were fitted with .223 wylde chambers that had issues feeding 5.56 reliably even thought thats the whole point of .223 wylde over just a 5.56 chamber. Even Wolverine made a note saying they've abandoned .223 wylde for future production but who knows what batch your rifle was part of unless you wait a few months to be sure.

Either you're morbidly obese, or you weighed 10 lbs less one week due to water loss and taking a big shit and are exaggerating. Either way - you're an in-denial fatfag and you're going to gain back literally every pound you lost within a year. Before you object: How many times have you lost weight and gained it back? Ohhhh right, you do this every couple years and then let it slide.
Fuck off fatty.

OP is a loser and I hate him
also that pic is interesting

going dark means he's going to let anonymous dark men have sex with him and then the resulting AIDS will help with the weight loss

If it sounds stupid and it works, it's not stupid.

>"Assault weapon"
Isn't that term kind of redundant? I'm pretty sure weapons are meant to be used for assaults.

>Isn't that term kind of redundant?
I'd qualify it more as "completely retarded" than anything else but yeah I guess.

Seriously, adding "assault" in front of words eventually loses its meaning.

There's such a thing as "assault boats." And guess what? They're not fitted with weapons. Hell, the boats themselves aren't even designed for ramming into things. The people onboard may be armed with weapons, but they can do that on any kind of boat.

Fuck the English language sometimes.

>Fuck the English language
More like
>fuck dishonest journalists

Kodiak will take the rifles back and fix them free of charge. Its not like they are leaving people high and dry. I'm taking a chance on it, got a case of 5.56 already in anticipation

how to find affordable land? where to look for it in Holetario?

someone told me they know a guy who bought an abandoned farm for a song. where do I look for abandoned farms? who is even in charge of them and has the right to sell them???
>tfw just want to have nice quiet land away from everyone in some unorganized township to learn farming and shoot tin cans with an SKS in peace

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You won't find abandoned farms for cheap in Ontario. Chicken and dairy farmers continue to drive up the cost of land

ebin fugg! begone with your temptations!
if I buy that thing I'm gonna have to buy all the other parts, it's gonna cost another two grand or so, on top of that gonna need to buy a bunch of tools to put it together. might fuck up barrel installation. might fuck up gas block installation. might do everything right and end up with an unreliable rifle because AR10 builds are notoriously finicky with getting them to cycle right

REEEEEEEE! why does it seem like a cool buy despite all that?!

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>dairy farmers
the milk cartels are behind all of our suffering, aren't they?!

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Plenty of affordable land in the sticks. But the problem is you're probably looking for gas and electricity and water, which is only available in cottage/farm country and is thus expensive.

Unless you're retarded, it's very hard to fuck up an AR10 or AR15 build. The only reason AR10s can be finicky is because safety factor so the barrels usually have slightly smaller gas holes. No problem, just use a lil reamer and open it a bit and use an adjustable gas block, it's ok for your gun to be a little over gassed, you don't have to be like a autistic IPSC boi who's gun barely cycles to reduce his time by 0.2 nanoseconds. Otherwise just load your ammo a lil hotter or get 308 instead of 7.62x51. Unless you get gucci components, it should cost max 2k, especially with nigger friday coming up.

If you start a gun company can you make cool prohibs here, or are we too cucked to allow that? I know Colt Canada exists but they supply the military.

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>If you start a gun company can you make cool prohibs here,
You need to basically work with the military or police to do that. And even if you did it's not like you could just go out and shoot em. You need to justify their existence and shoot them under eye. And you can't just start a gun company, and run a kitchen table ffl like in the states, you need to show production/retail capacity in Canada.

If I had the money to make a gun company, I'd buy rights to manufacture Valmets from Beretta.

You'd need a lot of money, look at American boiis with their shitty AKs. You'll need forging stuff and a lot of other shit.

I'd subcontract the manufacture to a Chinese firm and do the final assembly here.

Just looked it up and the list of excuses to own prohibs are...interesting.
>for police/mil contracts, here or in other country
>use for movies/other media
>the manufacture of replica firearms for movies/media
>display, demonstration, etc. for or by a museum
>the development/testing of body armour
>the development/testing of ammo for a prohib
So if you wanted to get prohibs, could you not in theory:
-get some burger LEO to place an order for prohibs, takes many years of testing to get them right of course
-say you need prohibs to make replicas for your buddies shitty movie, then just 3D print them or something
-start "museum" in your basement, focusing on machine guns of the world
-buy gun in .25, .32, or other prohib cartridge, "to make ammo for it"

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I'm guessing Kickstarter has a no gun policy

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Can you do all those things? Probably. Can you do all these things practically? Nope.

>LEO
because they're totally gonna trust some fly by night random in leafistan instead of the 6million people in the states.
>Movies ad media, replica, display, museum
again, random vs already established companies that exist.
>body armor
This is your best bet, but you gotta show them you're actually deving something and that involves showing them prototypes, manufacturing and RND facilities, and so on.
>the development/testing of ammo for a prohib
This is a longshot, that just exists for govt rnd. You're not gona get anything.

It's not gonna happen buddy. Make illegals and just accept it.

Even if you manage to get the licence and make it you'd need to submit it to the RCMP for reevaluation because it's not being made by sakko anymore. Just like the WK needed a FRT even though they where making a ar180b copy. They really don't wanna allow AK types, etc.

>Even if you manage to get the licence and make it you'd need to submit it to the RCMP for reevaluation because it's not being made by sakko anymore

Okay, then I'd get the Chinese firm to do the rough work on the receiver, and all the other parts, and have Sako do the finishing operations on the receiver and final assembly.

You can't make valmets. You'd have to buy the company which just makes tractors now

>Berreta owns Valmets
>also a tractor company
What other kosher AK can we get besides a Valmet? Would an ARAK count as clear or would there be a grey area to it?

>because they're totally gonna trust some fly by night random in leafistan
I meant a friend, family member, or even just supporter of freedom. They could be anywhere on Earth.
>again, random vs already established companies that exist.
So? It doesn't need to be a successful business retard, it needs to let you own prohibs.
>This is your best bet
It's the worst choice, since it'd need to be a prohib cartridge or a cartridge only available for a prohib.
>It's not gonna happen buddy. Make illegals and just accept it.
Kill yourself RCMP nigger

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Read: Niggas make just tractors now.

Idk if the ARAK has been submitted for FTR, but the robinson arms is technically very AK like so is the Swiss arms stuff and famae. You could design a NOT AK from the ground up.

>I meant a friend, family member, or even just supporter of freedom. They could be anywhere on Earth.
No they specifically can't you moron. They need to show that they're actually a valid customer. Private security/military, cops something. You can't just say billy in Houston needs me to research on m16s.
>So? It doesn't need to be a successful business retard,
Except it does you brainlet. You need to show your contracts. They probably won't even let you get away with research, you're gonna have to show production. When you apply for manufacturers licence, you have to show your facility to inspectors and pass a bunch of shit. A guy i used to work with who was a prototype machinist noped the fuck out of manufacturing lowers after he saw the shit you needed just to get approval.
>It's the worst choice, since it'd need to be a prohib cartridge or a cartridge only available for a prohib.
Except that's false. Read the law, only CERTAIN ap ammo is banned. Specifically for handguns and revolvers: "1 Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a commonly available semi-automatic handgun or revolver and that is manufactured or assembled with a projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to be capable of penetrating body armour, including KTW, THV and 5.7 x 28 mm P-90 cartridges."
>Kill yourself RCMP nigger
>Wanting to put down hundreds of thousands of dollars so you can have a few prohibs you don't even truly own, and need permission to actually ever do anything with unless you want your licence revoked.
Law abiding cuck, lol.

Couldn't you also take the route of a special snowflake upper and lower like the SLR(or the notAR that has proprietary upper/lower) and apply that to an AK? It couldn't be that hard, it could use literally every part other than like the safety lever. And maybe mag release(?)

Everything turns on the definition of "Valmet rifle" and the licensing of production (no, you don't have to buy the company to sublicense production). If I had enough money to go through with this, I'd also be able to afford the lawyers to give me a good enough argument for whatever I need.

The other option is to submit the "Valmet", and then sue the RCMP if they classify it as prohib. If it goes far enough in the court system we'd have a decent precedent on what constitutes a variant.

If we can't have an AK-47, let's have an AK-46 instead. It's not an AK-47 variant because it came first.

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>STANAG magwell
>5.56 piston-notARAK
Basically an AK lower with an AR magwell, just need barrels and bolts I suppose. I don't know a lot about the 46, but if it's interior workings are different then that's more money in tooling and R&D before it ends up in RC hands

>Specifically for handguns and revolvers: "1 Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a commonly available semi-automatic handgun

Does that mean that 5.56 AP is banned? We have AR pistols (which is how we can use LAR-15 mags).

faggots ITT don't know the only acceptable development discussion is about NOTA/k/ by CanGen Technologies

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still too scary lookin' for the RCMP

Yes, going with a current design like the ARAK is a better option from a cost perspective. I just like to blue-sky options.

For another close option, the M10X is NR.

>No they specifically can't you moron
Which is why I specified LEOs.
>You need to show your contracts
For a museum ordering guns for display, or somebody just buying them for a shitty B movie?
>When you apply for a manufacturers license
I'm talking buying guns, not making them.
>only CERTAIN ap ammo is banned
Okay? I didn't say otherwise. My point was if you wanted a prohib gun in an unrestricted cartridge they'd obviously ask why you can't use a non prohib to test. Maybe you could get around that by needing a certain barrel length but I doubt it.

this
AK46 / Bulkin Rifle / modernization with maximum use of readily available AKM parts
>NOTA/k/ lives

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>Couldn't you also take the route of a special snowflake upper and lower like the SLR
Maybe? I mean remember these are the people that banned the reciever for the RPD that was SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED from the ground up to only be semi auto, as too easy to convert to full auto. These are the people that banned a 22lr mossberg, because it has a plastic clamshell stock that looks like an AK. These are the people that banned SVD as an AK varient, despite sharing no parts and very little mechanically with the AK.

On the other hand these are the people who allowed the TYPE81, the VZ58, mini30, etc. Idk know what the hell they're doing, they have very little accountability, and thus very little pattern.

You'd have to go through with the FTR process which as i wrote above is very random. They love banning stuff based on too easy to convert to full auto and there was a very scummy case with that involved. You'd spend years in court, if you could even appeal to them in court. Remember again, the mossberg blaze is a NR 22lr. The mossberg blaze 47 is a prohibited AK variant.

Sure. But the reality of the situation is that i want an AK. Not an obscure pre ak, even if that would be cool and i would buy it, just like i want a type 81, but that's because i want a type 81. No amount of preak and type81 not ak would ever fill the AK shaped hole in my heart. And i think it's very similar with most people who think of cooking up not AKs.

I've never seen an AR registered as a pistol. it's either registered as a reciever set or it's registered as a rifle i think.

On the subject of making your own guns, suppose the following:

>a newly started gun company manufactures a gun you like
>almost anything to your imagination
>by some miracle, all the legal paperwork & red tape are all sorted out
>it's also an NR if it's a rifle/shotgun, R if it's a handgun; either way, it's not Prohibited
>it's really well-designed, and the construction is top-quality
>hell, it's even priced reasonably
>the catch: the gun has a very retarded name
Would you still buy it?

I'm talking, really, really, retarded here.
>OppanGangnamStyle-39
Or some other ridiculous shit.

NR SVD knock off pls

>Which is why I specified LEOs.
You'd have to get a whole department to work with you, not one or two cops.
>For a museum ordering guns for display, or somebody just buying them for a shitty B movie?
Both, you have to show business.
>I'm talking buying guns, not making them.
Then you'd basically be in retail and it's even harder to get permission to sell prohibs.

Look, there's no easy way around this. No matter what you do, even if you get your licence to have prohibs. Unless it's a grandfathered licence. You're gonna be stuck with paper weights you can rent to movies, sell to museums and collectors, make and test for some govt/official, but you're not going to be allowed to shoot it whenever you want. It's going to be registered to your company, and it's going to not be allowed to leave the door unless you get permission and then maybe you'll get allowance for a certain amount of test shooting. And that ignores the inspections to confirm that your a legitimate operation. This isn't a good way to get prohibs, this is a good way to piss money away.

>it's financially and legally easier to just break the law than to follow it
that is a legitimate problem.

Just a hunting rifle :^)

A rose is a rose by any other name.

I wonder if you could design a gun that looks just like a hunting semi auto rifle, chambered in whatever with the gas system and rotating bolt of an SVT, bed it in nice old wood and hide it's reciever. And then just sell stock kits to make it look like a SVD. I wonder the same thing with the blaze 47. Can you just get the plastic and screw it on, what is the 'gun' part of that plastic toy abortion anyway?

So, do we still hate Al Flaherty's?

yes
until either it goes out of business or we die

Couldn't you make a cheap knockoff M10 by cutting corners by say stamping lowers?

people constantly bitch that the community is full of infighting and paranoia

then owner of a business that's been surviving smack middle of the worst anti-gun area in the country for decades and serving the community well, says one dumb thing and everyone loses their minds and starts acting in the exact way they are always complaining about others act in the community
>never shop there ever again!
>hope you go out of business!
>traitors first!

he got his deserved shit, he tried to weasel out of it, got more shit and then owned up to his comment being really bad and retracted the letter.

good enough for me. sorry, the whole "let's close down a gun store that's been hanging on in downtown Toronto since the 60s because the owner did something wrong this one time" is not for me. it's faux outrage and posturing that should be reserved for SJW leftists who love to eat their own if they transgress against the holy ideology.

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>hey he said he was sorry for giving antis YET EVEN MORE excuses to ban our shit and infringe on our privileges, let's stop being mad at him
Sure Al, everything's good now.

Yes, but if we were going that route I'd rather just get our Chinese subcontractor to make something a bit more historical. I know that some of the semi-auto SA80s were brought into Canada and designated NRs, so maybe we could make some L85 clones.

Na fuck Flahertys, I’ve bought from there before and I wasn’t overly impressed with their attitudes in store. They got caught saying what they really think and tried to do some damage control, not good enough for me I’ll never get my business again.

what are some popular/well known rifles that you can get with a non-restricted? With a restricted?

That's a fairly big question. Is there something in particular you're interested in doing? Long range shooting? Fun plinking? 2gun similar competitions?

If you build a net-zero home, then that gets rid of a lot of such requirements.

I think that's the most vague question I've seen in 5 years of visiting CanGen