/nvg/ Night Vision General

Yaesu VX-8DR
Spending a day climbing hills and seeing how far I can reach is always fun.

Why not thermal?

Thermal is a detection device. NV is for performing tasks.

ATN used to have some nifty universal helmet mounts that meant you could use something that interfaced more solidly than bayonet horn, but I think they've eschewed them in favor of just making improved skull crushers with bracket shrouds for using rhino mounts.
Honestly, if you're gonna spend the $2,000 to get Gen2, I'd recommend maybe trying to send your time preference out there a ways and save the 3K for a PVS-14, or maybe try to get a used PVS-14 on Ebay, Gunbroker or armslist used. I think in any case, you'd be more happy with a Generation 3 unit than with a generation 2 unit.
PVS-7?
Thermal's great for detection, however, it's not great for navigation, where night vision is basically MEANT for navigation if it's on your head. Really, I'd say that aside from IR lasers and the like, Night vision goggles are primarily for navigation, and engaging enemies almost as an afterthought. Not that there aren't significant benefits of NVG for detection over say... a night vision scope, since you no longer have to muzzle everything you see.

Pic related is what I wish I had. Atm, I'm just working toward a PVS-14 or a mod-3 monocular.

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Is there any combo in use?

>2000 dollars for gen 2
I got for 900

You’re gonna need some deep pockets, friendo. PVS-14 and a COTI are what you seek, but you’re looking at about $11k or so.

>combo
Like a fusion system? Like said, you're gonna need some deep pockets, and a PVS-7/14 with a PAS-29 is about what you're gonna want. As well there's other things, like bridge setups, and you can use a PVS-14 and a SKEET-IR from Ultimate night vision with a PVS-14 over one eye and the thermal over the other. It's heavy though, it is, afterall, on a bridge mount.

ultimatenightvision.com/SKEETIR-L-Micro-Thermal-Monocular-with-IR-p/9106-0000-12.htm

>tfw no obscure french NV gear

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Is that some weird shit like LUCIE?

u no it bb

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Isn't LUCIE like Gen 2 or some gay shit? Or is it that it uses some really fucking janky photonis tubes?

>tfw it's almost real

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shit son i dont know how it works, thales won't tell anyone and i cant read french

I think there are a few pair of LUCIEs in the US that one could get a hold of, but you have to really look for them.

thank you Thales Group

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Wills Optics had a set on comission a while back. With no point of reference for value the $3500 asked didnt seem crazy for something so seemingly rare if you are into chasing oddities.

Where are they made?

Daily reminder that the 7B is peak aesthetics.

>Peak aesthetics
>peak tension headaches
Truly the best of all... Except the AN/AVS-9... that will always hold a truly special place for me.

if you wear glasses, do you need to continue to do so when wearing NVG? For the record I have 20/40 vision.

I also wish to know this

The new RNVGs that came out this year are like ANVIS that have been up-armored and Joe-proofed.

20/40? Negative. There’s enough optical adjustment for you to have 20/20 MurderVision.

Not that user, but if its fair to make assumptions on the rest of Armasights catalog, anything not marketed as having l3 or itt is a mixed bag of overseas photonis, katod, and ekron tubes with housings modified to suit, but that is not necessarily a bad thing. Just means you may not be able to upgrade tubes. Armasight has a pretty good reputation and if you never plan to open them up the tube type is largely inconsequential.

I had a Spark CORE a few years ago. I currently have a PVS-14 and Binos, and will pick up another Spark for a beater NOD. The resolution is on point; the luminance gain is weak, but unless you’re actively kicking in doors, active IR is a non-issue.

My rig, an pvs7B

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What is the cheapest gen 3 that I can buy?

willsoptics.com/product/wo-pvs-7-night-vision-goggle-gen-3-blem-spec/

Legit.

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PVS-7 gang

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Where did you get that white phosphor boy?

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They are Gen 3 omni tubes using an double reflector setup.

nvincorporated.com

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How are you liking the TW Ballistic? I’m on the fence between that and an Airframe.

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Is is true that NVGs typically give off a signature visible to other NVGs?
Do thermal senses give off a similar, visible signature?

What is a good means of mounting one of those (or their bnvd) to a helmet?

It's really comfortable. I'm definitely a fan of the Boa dial and Epic Air pads. The shell weight and cute is between an Ops Core Fast and Maritime so it's pretty light and you've got plenty of room for comms.

I'd highly recommend avoiding the Airframe. They weigh like 3 pounds bare without arc rails or a shroud. They also have questionable ballistic protection due to the gap in the back of the helmet.

pvs7 inbound, will post pictures when it arrives

also fuck depth perception

Nice. Saving up (CAD$ 3640.00) for one with a gen2+ tube.

Least expensive 3 or 3+ single tube?

>Yaesu VX-8DR
I just checked it out. Looks like a good rig - GPS and submersible. However, it is discontinued. Can you recommend an alternative?

Depends if youre willing to risk buying a used unit

Where did you pick one up for $900?

There's a reason why insurgents would do anything to rip NVGs off of dead NATO people. It's fucking expensive and therefore impossible to get unless you have some serious cash going to your cause.

The day i can get pvs14 quality for 1k is the day ill buy. Probably many years before that happens though. Maybe digital will catch up before then.

why cant I find some kids toy that just has a IR flashlight built into goggles on amazon?

I dont wanna spend 3k on operator goggles.
I just want something that can get me around the house buffalo bill style.

FT1DR or FT2DR, but those are a bit more expensive.
Ebay, they said it was used once on a gator hunt once and never again, and I'm inclined to believe them since it's in flawless condition.

Certainly doesn't hurt that they also run on AA batteries

Cool, any website recommendations? Because most of the ones that sell them look janky and "definitely-not-a-scam" tier.

>Live in Europe
>Even basic bitch Gen 2 is banned for export outside of the US

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America wins again

Icom ID-51A

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You need some type of helmet shroud, a mount, and an adapter so it can take USGI J-Arms.

amazon.com/HGAC-JDAPT-J-Arm-Adapter-Armasight/dp/B071SKWZSQ/ref=pd_aw_sim_200_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B071SKWZSQ&pd_rd_r=1be2689b-db66-11e8-9a86-5789e54c2c1c&pd_rd_w=kCHhq&pd_rd_wg=MBzdU&pf_rd_i=mobile-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=57b46099-d750-4d74-83ee-63ad64b310a4&pf_rd_r=S33HEFGVXBEBH3ME5D5G&pf_rd_s=mobile-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=S33HEFGVXBEBH3ME5D5G

Yeah, fuck it; I’m already balls deep in TW, might as well stuff them in there too. Thanks, user.

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nightvisionguys.com/night-vision-monoculars/armasight-spark-multi-purpose-night-vision-monocular-core-technology-ceramic

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I would just get a gopro mount and glue that bitch on

What binos?

So?
Just buy European stuff.

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sightmark ghost hunter 1x24

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>shits all like 6k+ plus minimum
wtf do you all do as a job so I can do it too

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Fuck the PVS-14 it's a piece of shit.

Beamshot 1000s can be converted to IR for around 200 dollars including the sight.

if this thread is still alive later i'll post a pretty slick counterweight system I came up with for poorfags.
alsoexplain

Can you give deets on the mounting chrome you’re using?

I mean... he's wrong. The PVS-14 has everything you could want except dual tubes. Manual gain, good optics, simple controls, gets plenty of light through the tube. The only thing it's missing is the capacity to go to dual without having to have two power supplies and circuit boards. Even then, there's a thing for that these days.
Perst 4 or a steiner OTAL.

Some dude at gunshow is asking 1600 for these pvs5s on pvs15 mount

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Is there any reason why digital NVGs aren't a thing? I think you could achieve a pretty low profile setup using digital camera sensors without an IR filter and just an IR illuminator.

Is that REALLY a PVS-5? Also still not worth it if so.

Light amplification/luminance gain of state of the art digital is stil Gen2 Level at best. Beyond that, with i2 you’re looking *through* glass. With digital and thermal you’re looking at a bouncy assed LED display 1” from your face. Beyond that, digital is a battery hog. A PVS-14 will run for 40 hours on a AA. Digital is, in 2018, a fucking meme.

yeah, 2 pvs5s

>Gen2 at best
Fuck no

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In addition to what said, digital also can't contend in low light performance to the tube. Lets say we COULD make the digital effective for the battery power, it still can't really resolve things at the type of darkness where a PVS-14 still gives you an image, a slightly to majorly noisy image, but still an image nonetheless. Meanwhile, the digital is less sensitive, and still can't make a coherent image at those low light levels. It's pretty much a pipe dream in the current state WITHOUT factoring power flow, where a tube can run a couple days on one AA battery.

>Be Wuggwuss
>Actually have a non-meme AR
>Actually has a NOD

There’s actually hope for this world.

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Yes, digital is the future and getting closer if not closely on par in certain conditions.

youtube.com/watch?v=CFDNEjJ0cME

Its not just the quality of image though, its also the ability for, is refresh rate the term? Regardless theres still a "lag" when using digital that needs to be overcome

How important are IR illuminators? How important is it to be able to toggle your IR illum at the same time as your IR laser, or is it acceptable to have two separate switches for them?

>non meme
>300blk
There is no hope for this world

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Given that you’re wholly dependent upon the variable lighting conditions, an IR illuminator can bail you out if you get below the threshold of the i2 device being able to gather enough photons to provide a meaningful image. Beyond that, they’re extremely helpful with peering into shadows (think under cars, etc). For navigation purposes, regarding the above, an IR Helmet light is the go-to option for being in reduced photonic areas (extremely dark.) Being able to activate both your laser designator and IR light at the same time is mandatory. If you’re firing up the illuminator on the weapon, you’re at the point where it’s time to party.

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I'm new to the milsurp scene and have a bunch of questions before I begin looking at NVGs.
>What is the best way to wear NVGs? With a kevlar?
>What is the typical batter life of NVGs? How easy is it to swap batteries? Are batteries cheap?
>How do you incorporate NVGs and a gas mask? How do you shoot with NVGs- can you use typical sights?
>Does wearing NVGs for extended periods of time cause eye strain?
>Do you have to have those 4-tube NVGs the SEALs (and other Special Forces) wear to have peripheral vision?
>Can you wear NVGs in daylight and still see? Does going from a dark room to daylight blind you with modern NVGs? Insurgency has NVGs blind you if you do this, also fires and flashlights blind NVG users. Is this still a thing IRL?
>Are there any cheap, small NVGs you'd recommend for a bug-out bag? Something you could use when gtfoing in the dark and you don't want to use a light that might give away your position, but you don't have a helmet and don't want something large and bulky.
>What's the best way to get used to hiking/running/operating with NVGs? Any tips or tricks?

Sorry for the question spam, really appreciate any responses.

Oh one more, is a NVG scope better than NVGs in some scenarios? I could see a NVG scope when you want to retain natural night vision being better than a bulky NVG system (if that's the case, I dunno, hence why I'm asking y'all).

youre a faggot for not googling
>Do you have to have those 4-tube NVGs the SEALs (and other Special Forces) wear to have peripheral vision?
yes nvgs delete your peripheral vision, thats why you see operators point their heads at everything they want to see, years of nvg use having burned away their retinas, in service to israel

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>spark corr
Why do you have a piece of shit toy when you own real nvg?

Who is this guy?

Because it’s good enough for certain circumstances.

Dirtbag cop who murdered a guy in a hotel hallway for not following his directions (which consisted of crawling on knees while keeping legs crossed & arms in air). All caught video.

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executed a drunk unarmed guy on his knees

Applied justice to a thug who was looking for his fifteen minutes of fame.

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>What is the best way to wear NVGs? With a kevlar?

Helmet-mounted.

>What is the typical batter life of NVGs? How easy is it to swap batteries? Are batteries cheap?

Depends on the model.

>How do you incorporate NVGs and a gas mask? How do you shoot with NVGs- can you use typical sights?

Laser beams.

>Does wearing NVGs for extended periods of time cause eye strain?

Yes.

>Do you have to have those 4-tube NVGs the SEALs (and other Special Forces) wear to have peripheral vision?

Yes. This is mostly a non-issue, and those GPNVGs will compress your spine under extended wear.

>Can you wear NVGs in daylight and still see? Does going from a dark room to daylight blind you with modern NVGs? Insurgency has NVGs blind you if you do this, also fires and flashlights blind NVG users. Is this still a thing IRL?

Not still a thing.

>Are there any cheap, small NVGs you'd recommend for a bug-out bag? Something you could use when gtfoing in the dark and you don't want to use a light that might give away your position, but you don't have a helmet and don't want something large and bulky.
>What's the best way to get used to hiking/running/operating with NVGs? Any tips or tricks?

Good post. Basically this. Also there are no cheap NVGs that you would want to rely on in a shtf get out of dodge scenario. Night vision is, inthe words of Garand Thumb, a "buy once cry once" endeavor. Someday I wish to get a pvs14. If you're serious, I suggest the same although weapons training is more important

Not to mention that the guy was visibly heavily intoxicated and begging for his life.