Old thread hit bump limit, here's a new one.
A request was made for more info graphs so I'll dump a few.
Thread questions:
1) What do you think the most likely/imperative emergency/SHTF situation is?
2) Do you store congruent amount of supplies, ie 6 months of food, water, preps vs 1 year of food, 2 weeks of water, etc.?
3) What advice would you give to someone who is just starting off getting prepared or not sure they need to start at all?
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I generally prep for a grid-down scenario, since basically any SHTF situation you can conjure results in that.
I try to set a goal, say, a weeks worth of everything, then when I hit that, bump it up to 2 weeks, then 4 weeks, etc.
Start small. Look at putting together a 72 hour kit and go from there.
get away from my store bracky
>you need to read this, btw
So anyone else following the stock market crash?
Markets opened up today so maybe it'll continue.
>most likely
Bad storms causing a power outage, combined with also losing water if you're on city water.
needs: food and water, heating, possibly sewage plan until grid restored. Doubtful it would get bad enough to need weapons, except in hurricane/flood-tier storms.
>unlikely but happens pretty frequently (for cityfolk)
riots like your pic
supplies above if infrastructure is damaged enough, but also weapons. I'd want at least a rifle and plenty of ammo
alternatively get out of town for a few days, but your stuff could get looted while you're gone
>twice in 240 years unlikely
civil war
imo you're going to need to be joined up with a large group for a chance in this one. supplies will be needed early on before groups organize
>another one you definitely need to read
So I’m that autistic faggot that’s writing the prepperPDF document that you see floating around in these threads.
>most likely event
Honestly in my area it’s tornados and hurricanes. But as far as large scale I have absolutely no idea. That’s why I want to try and have a well rounded set of supplies, equipment and skills to basically allow me to thrive should things turn south.
>Storage
Currently I have a couple of months supply’s of food and water. My goal is to have a minimum of one years supply with means of sustaining it through farming, bee keeping as well as other means.
>advice to someone starting out
The dollar store/thrift store is your friend. You can get a lot of stuff from these stores. You see some of these people with all their Gucci gear and have sank tens of thousands of dollars into their preps (thank you doomsday prepper for making us all look like autistic faggots) but you can get things that will help you survive even short term at these stores.
These are opinion polls, this only creates fear.
I'm not saying don't prepare, but don't do it because you're paranoid and scared.
How long does it usually take to write something like that?
True, but if enough normies think that civil war is inevitable then it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy.
I have been writing it for about a 1 1/2 years now, I had to take about a seven month break in between due to shipping off for basic and AIT so really a little under a year.
Has anyone ever done any sort of sustainable agriculture?
How hard is it to get it perfected?
Reminder that some shit you read on the internet is not a substitute for actual medical training.
I'd take someone with a basic bitch FA/CPR cert over someone who read through these religously.
>i thought this was a fake story. can anyone confirm it was real? i read it was a larp
It's not "a larp," whatever you mean by that. The story is also horseshit.
Selco is a real Bosniac and he almost certainly did survive the Yugoslav Wars. But his "city of 6000" most certainly did not receive the treatment he claims, which was reserved for places like Serajevo, which was a city of half a million in 1991. Even the smaller Bosnian enclaves like Gorazde had populations of over twice what he claims for his unnamed """city""" yet he pretends he was out doing Stalingrad-tier ruin hopping.
There are no NATO records of doing airdrops to enclaves that small, at all.
The stuff he's talking about certainly happened to Bosnians in the 90s. Just not to him. The fact that he's trying to sell you shit and get you to sign up for a "survival school" he runs should tell you everything you need to know about taking his word as gospel.
Selco is the James Yeager of the prepper world: inflates his own incredibly sad "real-world" experience to con people who don't know better into giving him money.
Are we able to get a discussion going about bugging in/out. I’d like to request it not be a shit show argument like it normally is.
>Bugging in
What are you doing to protect your home, stores, equipment, ways to result? etc.
>bugging out
Where do you plan on going, are you with a team, lone wolf, do you have caches along your route etc.
Everyone has their own reasons for their choice so rather than hazing someone because they choose to bug out rather than bug in or vice versa I’m curious to know why you made the choice you did.
Can you provide the records of the NATO airdrops?
I feel like there's multiple underlying messages here that I may reluctantly agree with.
godspeed sir
NATO did regular airdrops to 6 UN-designated "safe areas" in Bosnia:
>Srebenica
1991 population: 36,666
>Serajevo
1991 population: 527,049
>Zepa
1991 population: 2,441
>Gorazde
1991 population: 37,505
>Tuzla
1991 population: 131,618
>Bihac
1991 population: 70,732
You'll recognize exactly zero of these as being Selco's remarkably ambiguous "city of 6000".
Because he's counting on you being ignorant of the Yugoslav wars and not questioning that detail, and thus nothing that comes after it, either.
Don’t know about the NATO records, an user posted the entirety of the USAF mission logs for Operation Provide Promise in a thread a few years back. If you’re willing to dig for it, you should be able to find what you’re looking for here;
Woulsn't the population of those areas change wildly during the wars?
The Serbs all left the safe areas (1991 census includes ethnicity, and even accounting for that the numbers don't work), and as many Bosniaks as possible left too, though the vast majority of them weren't allowed out by the beseiging Serbs, which is why the UN """protected""" those enclaves. Trying to travel outside of the safe areas was a death sentence.
The only one that actually gets close to his quoted number during the war is Gorazde, which still had around 12,000 people in it at its lowest.
The only way Selco lived in a town the size he claims is if he was a Serb or Croat, which means he wasn't besieged in the war, in which case he's lying about everything else. And in fact, if he's telling the truth about everything else, the only place he could've lived is Sarajevo (which is the only safe area that truly experienced everything he describes), which is the largest city in the country, FAR from the 6,000 people he describes.
Thank you my friend, eventually I’d like to Get it published but once complete I will definitely drop a copy of it in the Jow Forums books thread or whatever they call themselves.
I work for my states national guard so in the event of a natural disaster I'll probably be reporting to the closest armory to start working disaster response. In my case the closest one is a few blocks away.
If I have to go further than that I keep a 60L BoB stocked with standard backpacking/survival gear in a closet next to my front door
I've spent 6 years working active duty in special operations and I have your typical military SABC training and I've been through SERE. I'm ok at land nav, and I go backpacking regularly for fun and to help me familiarize myself with my tools.
So yeah my plan will probably be bug into an armory or bug out to the next closest armory. I plan on buying a home soon and I plan to get heavy into homesteading. Once I have my ideal setup I'll probably just plan to bug in long term.
1. Balkanization in declining 1st world countries after major economic collapse. Probably not the US, but Russia/China/Eastern Europe have shown themselves to collapse when the economy truly shits the bed. The US has survived several major economic struggles and has enough resources as well as vibrant swathes of small communities that a major depression or recession would hurt but not kill the nation. It doesn’t hurt to prepare for the worst though.
2. Best way to prep is to learn, practice, and then stockpile. Focus on learning the skills you need to survive, then using those skills so your comfortable and proficient. Go take a wilderness first aid class offered by a sheriff search and rescue team, as well as as many classes on bushcraft as you can. Go camping/backpacking/canoeing (preferably with portaging) often and make it a goal to use the lessons you’ve learned often. Make sure you know how to procure fresh water, shelter, food, then fire no matter what (IN THAT ORDER). Then start learning more advanced skill sets, such as def defense, firearms training, leadership training, advanced medical training (EMT-P is top tier), orienteering, pioneering, sailing, farming, horse riding, automotive maintainence, basic mechanical/electrical engineering, plumbing, woodworking/carpentry, smithing, and more less-basic skill sets like coding, economics, and politics. Get involved with organizations, schools, or jobs that hone these skills- deployed military positions, Boy Scout Adult Leader or Venturing, Volunteer Firefighter, Ranch Hand, Trade school student, etc. so long as you’re constantly learning and practicing valuable skills. Make friends with similar mindsets and grow a network of people you can rely on in tough situations.
3. Do the above and prepare a basic cache of survival gear you use regularly. Don’t spend lots of money on every name brand item, get quality goods for reasonable prices. Make sure you use this gear on the regular.
Always have a cache of bottled fresh water in your home and vehicle. Seriously, you can only go 3 days at most without water, and if you lose your water source in your home you need water to drink and cook/bathe with. If you are at home and know you’re going to lose water for a long time, don’t know when it will come back, and SHTF, fill up your bathtubs and sinks with water. Boil and drink that before cracking open your bottled water supplies.
Also it’s a good idea to put a first aid kit in your car, as well as a couple wool blankets, an extra jack, extra set of long jumper cables, extra tire nuts, an extra tire nut screw, and some road flares. Car accidents are common and these items can prove invaluable.
Another thing is to have a small bag with specific gear near you at all times. A leatherman multitool, flint and steel, knife sharpener, gauze pads, duct tape, hand sanitizer, iodine tablets, reusable water bottle or canteen, sunglasses, bandanna, dryer lint, headlamp AND small flashlight with extra batteries, orienteering compass, lots of extra currency, and fishing line+hooks are all small items that prove useful if you need to survive any period of time. Pack the ones you can (no knives for you highschool/airplane passenger/British anons) and keep em in a small but tough bag in your work desk, car, etc. so that if you had to evacuate suddenly you could grab that bag and leave quickly.
In addition to that small “bug-out-bag” you should prepare a hiking backpack with more long term big-out gear. Lots of guides detail how to build a long term innawoods kit, but this one won’t be as easy to get as you probably won’t end up bringing it with you or leaving it in your car. It’s for if you had to bug out and had time to get home and prepare.
Hunting rifles or shotguns chambered in common rounds are the best firearm, followed by a rifle that is flexible, reliable, and accurate. Some handguns are good for small game also, but lack range.
Don’t forget other common SHTF scenarios:
>flash floods
>wildfires/building fires
>tornadoes/hurricanes/dust storms/microbursts/avalanches/blizzards/droughts
>car accidents
>riots/school shootings/terrorist attacks (group all under “mass panic”
>medical emergency
>simply getting lost too far away from civilization with no cell reception and no map (for that person shit has hit the fan)
Best way to prep for the big SHTF memes (zombies, civil war, nuclear holocaust, etc) is to prepare for the “small” SHTF that occur alllllll the time. Because if you get in an emergency situation shit has definitely hit the fan and you gotta make sure you survive.
Would you agree the key thing about gear is getting durable, effective gear you use on a regular basis? Cheap is better for your wallet so long as it still keeps you alive.
And when it comes to how to go about this, a person who uses their training is better than a person with a hundred certifications but no actual experience using that training outside the course. Always practice what you’ve learned outside the course environment so you stay proficient, don’t just take a bunch of courses and never practice what you’ve learned. Hence why there’s a reason to go innawoods on a regular basis.
What’s the best way to approach government or military units during an evacuation or emergency situation? Is there a procedure for someone bugging out to use when making contact with a friendly patrol?
This seems more like guess work, but I've said before I'm willing to take what he says with a grain of salt.
However, nearly everything he said is very good information and I don't think we should throw it out either.
>this seems more like guesswork.
Nigger read a goddamn book about the Yugoslav wars. Shit read some Wikipedia articles about the Yugoslav Wars. Even literally fucking Google the Yugoslav Wars.
What precisely makes Selco credible in your eyes? Because the dude's basically the James Yeager of the survivalist world: he seems credible enough to layman to demand money for teaching his skills, but his claims of experience don't hold up to scrutiny and people who know the topic at hand don't take him seriously.
All 6 of the Safe Zones (again, literally the only places he could possibly be claiming to be from as they're the only places that got airdrops) were majority Bosniak. They were all besieged by Serbian forces after the ethnic Serbs left, meaning the Bosniak population couldn't leave. Only one of them had less than 10,000 inhabitants, and at its peak it had less than a third of whatever town Selco claims to have lived in. The others were orders of magnitude larger than the place he claimed to live.
There's literally nowhere in Bosnia he could've been where all this shit could've happened to him.
Which is WHY he doesn't specify the town or what precisely he did during the war.
>nearly everything he said is very good information and I don't think we should throw it out either.
Based on what? Your own expertise? Your own experience surviving a civil war and ethnic cleansing as the group being subjected to genocide?
Because I know you haven't studied the conflict in Bosnia, or you wouldn't be disnissing what I'm saying as "guesswork."
And since you lack even a rudimentary knowledge of that conflict and what the people who survived it went through, what makes you think you're qualified to assess how good his info is or isn't?
>What precisely makes Selco credible in your eyes?
The things he said happened did happen.
And we are estimating as to populations in cities that we don't actually know.
There are too many ad hominems and non-arguments to address you in any meaningful way.
I absolutely agree durable gear that works well is very important. However more importantly I feel is knowing how to use it.
That is define something I preach.
I’m sure you have all seen the guys that are like “hey guys check out my gear, I have been a prepper for 13 years...” etc and then you look at the gear and it’s all squeaky clean as though he may have only ever taken it out to take pictures of it before putting it away again.
That is why I like the dollar stores, because if you know how to use it, the tarp and rope and matches you pick up there will do the same thing as the $30-40 dollar equipment with the “prepper” and “survivalist” branding all over it.
Now if you can afford something a little more durable by all means do it. But don’t compromise your current financial situation just because of a what if event, prep within your means.
My best suggestion would be in a non threatening manner, especially if armed. Signal them somehow to show you are trying to communicate, keep your hands visible and away from any weapons you may have.
Once you speak to them have IDs, weapons permits or licenses if you have them. If you can have a folder with all of your information in it, copies of birth certificates, passports, proof or purchase for any firearms you are carrying.
Speak in a calm and clear manner, explain who you are, what you are doing and where you are going. Obey all commands given to you, they may want to search you or run through some of the paperwork, assist them in any way you can.
If you don’t want to approach them and try to avoid them that is your choice, and there’s no right or wrong it all depends on the situation. However if you are spotted and they do approach you. Don’t try and fight, follow the rules as stated above. Don’t start taking potshots Rambo style because these guys are like probably there doing a job that is required of them. Don’t give them a reason to detain you or take things from you.
Stay up to date on your local, state and federal SOPs on emergency situations and desisted control/relief.
> tfw greater NYC metro area
It'll be over in a flash, jealous fuckers?
>remove the bullet
Immediately wrong. If you don't know what you are doing, and you don't if you are reading that, you will cause 100x more damage trying to fish it out rather than just leaving it alone.
>The things he said happened did happen.
The majority of those things only happened in Serajevo, which had a population of roughly 350,000 during the time it was under siege.
That's not true.
There are many circumstances in which you would want to remove it and many cases in which you would not.
Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about or at least eager to say that only special people should be allowed to have opinions.
Just like the people who say only "medical professionals" should use tourniquets. Even though laymen have used them countless times to save lives because they learned how to use them, even though they didn't have a special license or degree.
It's the same as the "only cops should have guns" non-argument.
If you really wanted people to be educated, you'd actually share info rather than just telling everyone they aren't as smart as you are.
So by all means, make your own infograph about when you would or wouldn't want to remove the bullet and recommend where people can go to get training.
I’d say in the bullet situation, if you had the ability to get him to a medical professional who knows what he is doing then absolutely do that. However if it’s in a SHTF situation as this thread seems to indicate and you don’t have that option, carefully attempting to remove the bullet if it means saving his life may be the lesser of two evils.
What are my fellow city Jow Forumsommandos doing to prepare?
get away from my store bracky chan
Get away from my store bracky!
The removing the "m" at the end trick isnt working for these two. Any ideas?
So anyone curious in seeing the PDF as it stands at the moment here is a slightly older version, it is by no means finished but I’m making progress.
One of my recent things is that I’m trying to reach out to LE/Mil/FEMA officials maybe even the CDC to try and get some information from them in regarding what they want to see from civilians in regards to prepping as well as linking to what said, how best to interact with them during a disaster/Emergency situation.
I feel it would offer a fairly well rounded look at things from both civilian and government side of things.
You are doing gods work user
I would like to see
Thanks for keeping this thread moving.
I am all in on bugging in. if i bug out i will have been flushed out and will be looking to regroup and take it back, or find family and friends. dont see bugging out as being an option in any sense, except to escape immediate danger.
In a big shtf event I will be taking notice of anybody leaving my neighbourhood and helping myself to anything left behind. I will also be clearing out holiday houses early on, which should have a good supply of long life food.
really interested in seeing this
>Best way to prep for the big SHTF memes (zombies, civil war, nuclear holocaust, etc) is to prepare for the “small” SHTF
You got that backwards. Prepare for worst possible scenario and you are covered for anything less than that as well
Get away from my store, bracky
I truly appreciate all the feedback, I’m also planning on adding a quick reference guide in the back so that in case of an emergency people can flick to it and see. “OK what do I do in a hurricane/tornado/earthquake” so that it’s all there laid out
It’s my pleasure, it’s amazing how much of an insight I can get by simply talking to people who aren’t “doomsday prepper” just real people with real ideas and things that even I have never thought of or new points of view.
Is there a reason you aren't posting the link?
... I apologize, it’s getting late here and I realized I didn’t post it in the damn thing I intended to.
mega.nz
That should be the older version of it
Get away from my store bracky
You’re overthinking it. Any shtf scenario affects your ability to acquire/retain only 6 things;
Food
Water
Shelter
Security
Medical care
Communications
Cover those 6 bases, you’re golden for any scenario you can imagine.
medical care is what i need to work on, i got food, water, guns and a secondary source of water.
i just need to know more about medical stuff and find out how to get perscription stuff like antibiotics and painkillers
druggies can get ahold of it so it shouldnt be that hard?
Good morning everyone.
I am also planning on bugging in, if I bug out, like you, it will be because I was flushed out. My goal is to set up several caches around my home so that I have additional supplies/food/ammo. I’m hoping to have a team with me when I bug in to help tend the land with me and work all the other jobs that a SHTf situation would need doing.
All the preps in my home would be hidden or locked down so that it couldn’t be accessed my the people that flushed me and my team out.
After a couple of days of scouting them out (if they are still present at my home) I would attempt a counter attack to retake my home and kill/capture the people that took it from me.
Bumping this question. City pop of several million. Should I just play Russian roulette with an auto loader?
Druggies manage to die from overdoses all the time. They literally do not know what the next shot actually contains.
The only antibiotics I'll recommend without blinking is honey, and even that must be purchased with some care because half the stuff sold as honey these days even in grocery stores is other and cheaper stuff. Vegetable, but not honey.