I´m writing some short fiction, set in a cyberpunk future. Most law enforcement and armed forces have programable (and thus hackable) firearms. You can´t hack a six-gun, however. Any rad double action revolvers from around today you could suggest for our hero?
also in the market for a new handgun. Post your picks
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I really really want a chiappa rhino 40ds in silver but that's just me. Still looks cyberpunky, can't be hacked.
Luty SMG
Go 50DS. More Aesthetic.
yeah but i kinda want to edc it
GiTS did the Mateba and the Rhino is kind of obvious (and shit). If all the semi-autos are retrofitted and programmed to individuals then the revolver is probably illegal. Pick something obscure that either would have been stolen from a collection or overlooked becuase it has rare ammo or something. A Mosin Nagant would be sufficiently ancient and it has an enclosed chamber so they can be suppressed, might be a good choice. Neo-Russia probably stopped making the ammo so he'd be a reloader.
These cyberbois are sweet and all, and your protag could definitely pack one of em, but your "Ace" character, your Han Solo, Iceman, Legolas, etc should have a simple SAA clone. Or is that too much of a MGS ripoff?
I meant for the story. For EDC yeah 5 inches is doable but borderline.
This is a retarded premise. Blowback SAs are dead simple.
They really aren't shit. No idea where this meme started.
Go with the Ruger LCR
friendly reminder that the mateba is an absolute dogshit meme of a gun that serves absolutely no function or grants any advantage whatsoever, aside from having less trigger pull to shoot. See pic related: yellow is the top of the hand, red is the bore axis. Notice anything?
Double action
>Blowback SAs are dead simple.
You're right.
But they don't have the panache that a wheelgun does.
did you miss the part where OP is writing fiction? practical concerns are meaningless here. Aesthetic matters.
Taurus Judge
now that I think about it I guess it has the advantage of bragging about spending $2000 dollars on a useless meme gun
>set in a cyberpunk future.
Please stop. Every form of media in the last few years has wrung every every drop of novelty and substance out of this concept. Unless you're the next Cormac McCarthy you're just wasting time and hard drive space.
>Notice anything?
I noticed that you seem to be comparing the Unica vs the Rhino only. It seems curious that you're omitting the 2006M, the MTR-8, and a normal revolver from your comparison.
>yellow is the top of the hand, red is the bore axis. Notice anything?
holy shit lol, I've never really noticed it before, but now that you've pointed it out I can't un-see it
the Rhino has a REALLY annoying-looking seam on the barrel
Cool, just like ghost in the shell, a popular cornerstone of the cyberpunk genre. Why have original ideas when you can copy the same shit?
>butthurt borefags show up to defend their cast Turkish revolvers
Nobody cares. They're gay anyway so they shouldn't go in the guy's story. This isn't the bitch and moan general thread.
Just because it's not new doesn't mean it can't be good.
M47 Medusa revolver.
You can even lever the concept of being able to shoot a huge variety of ammo as a plot point, perhaps as a symbol of desperation (shooting whatever ammo he can get), or perhaps as a means of deceiving forensics investigation.
Aesthetic paired with verisimilitude, actually. If OP wants to yank it to revolvers, that's fine, but it's still a retarded premise.
>butthurt top cylinder fags cry while I'm shooting my Chiappa Rhino with sexy seams and no muzzle flip
I'm not sure what your point is
people don't like the Unica because of its low bore axis, they like it because it looks cool and is well-built
the semiautomatic action is a way bigger attraction to hipsters than the 6:00 barrel position, and that is definitely a real actual advantage over the Rhino
Literally anything Mateba makes
for sure, I guess I would prefer having no muzzle flip to having less trigger pull
>I´m writing some short fiction, set in a cyberpunk future. Most law enforcement and armed forces have programable (and thus hackable) firearms. You can´t hack a six-gun, however. Any rad double action revolvers from around today you could suggest for our hero?
A generic Smith & Wesson in .357
if you ever feel the need to name-drop the model of a gun in a story, you are a shit writer
>Aesthetic paired with verisimilitude, actually.
Sure. The "reality" angle is broad: any sort of "primitive" gun would be suitable for OP's character, but he happens to choose a revolver for aesthetic reasons.
It sounds like genre fiction, I don't see any problem here. If you like the genre then cool. If you don't like it then find a different one you do like.
You don't own a Rhino, that much is obvious now.
>Tom Clancy was a shit writer because he named the Berettas they carried in Rainbow Six
ok, we have a real writing coach in the thread.
>good
No. All it can be is a mediocre re-skin of someone else's work. Just like western paperback novels of yore. There were a few revolutionary and talented authors and then thousands of authors offering a pale imitation of those authors works that were never quite as fulfilling as the originals and were quickly forgotten.
Unless your "cyberpunk" concept is so complex and muddled you can hardly apply the "cyberpunk" label to it, then your work is constrained by the tropes that define what "cyberpunk" is. And thats already been rehashed in every gross amalgamation of other genres it's just drivel now. No surprises or originality.
>All it can be is a mediocre re-skin of someone else's work
That sounds "good" to me. Note: Not great or awesome.
>>that were never quite as fulfilling as the originals
Just because something isn't as good as the best example doesn't mean they aren't "good".
>>No surprises or originality.
Irrelevant. That's the whole point of genre fiction, really.
>ok, we have a real writing coach in the thread.
tom clancy WAS a shit writer though
his novels are required reading for boomer dads and talk-radio-tier fudds. He's only a few steps above clive cussler.
But that's besides the point, because the real issue here is that we're writing short fiction, and one of the most important pillars of short fiction is word economy. If you want to slow things down to talk about your stupid snowflake guns, you're probably off to a bad start.
OTs-38 Stechkin
>quiet captive pistol ammo that's close to the dB level of a silenced .22 with no muzzle flash
>6 o'clock barrel
>integral laser
>moon clips and can be carried cocked & locked
>double action, cylinder opens to the right for maximum hipster points
>If you want to slow things down to talk about your stupid snowflake guns, you're probably off to a bad start.
What if the whole point is to talk about snowflake guns?
>It's a ____ revolver that he carries because they can't be hacked. He reloads his own ammo.
Story Ruined.
nagant revolver for the win.
>What if the whole point is to talk about snowflake guns?
A parody piece about gun nerds in the future could be fantastic, and is way better than [future guy] fights [future police] in [gritty setting]
>and is way better than
Sounds subjective as fuck.
I dont understand not wanting all of your work to only be the absolute distilled best of all your ideas and the most valuable and original piece of art you can offer the world. You're building a legacy with your work.
you're a pretentious idiot. Most amateur writers are either writing for fun, or are completing pieces for a class.
If your protagonist is supposed to be adept at anything that means they appreciate the fine details of the tools they use and at the very top of any hierarchy of skill the differance between a journeyman and a master is the exploitation of narrow margins of advantage.
So it would make sense in that context to really describe guns in detail. This also adds richness to a story otherwise your story is so generic it might as well be an aesop's fable.
And from a reader or viewer's point of view:
I don't understand why authors or directors obsess over wanting to make things "the best" and most memorable. That's not always what the viewer or reader wants.
And don't forget that "your best" doesn't necessarily have to be something novel, it can simply be a really good execution of something that's already been done. Think of your favorite comfort meal, for example. It doesn't have to be "new" or "original" to be highly satisfying. Sometimes I might want to go to a fancy avant-garde restaurant where the chef is doing crazy new things. Other times I feel like eating classic old-school BBQ. It's no different with books or films. Sometimes a cliche-packed mystery novel western is exactly what I feel like reading.
You're misusing pretentious and you don't have any skill if not challenging yourself with all your work isnt something you already do. You're Michael Bay.
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lit fags get out now!
if all these soi boys playing rdr want to get guns i hope ruger makes a great lever action since rem/marlin shit the bed.
Can you explain how you were "challenging yourself with all your work" in that post? Or were you just casually chatting, in the same way that some people casually write?
Readers care about the characters and the narrative. The details of weapons shouldn't come up unless they say something important about the characters or the narrative.
>This also adds richness to a story
Short stories don't benefit from detail; they suffer for it instead. Every sentence in a short story needs to help carry its punch.
I've got 4 ideas in mind:
>Colt Python in .357
A classic, it would still be relatively common (so would be accessories, spare parts and ammo) and is extremely reliable, something you want from a weapon that's outdated.
>Manurhin MR-73
Hands down the best revolver money will buy. They're extremely well considered by both collectors and law enforcement users, very performant (there's even a DMR version!) "unique" enough to be interesting as a signature weapon for your main character, and use common ammo. Hell, if I'm not mistaken, you can even change the cylinder to use different ammo like 9mm or .357, somethin your hero would be really grateful for.
The other 2 are older and I know that's not what you want, but let me explain
>Nagant Revolver
It's a 19th century design, the trigger pull is quite hard (much softer than your average user says once you've boiled the cosmoline out of it, but it's still hard compared to other wheelguns) and the calibre is weakish, BUT.
But the brass of the cartridge will form a seal with the barrel, allowing your hero to shoot it wih a silencer! Something that will surprise his opponents, as they won't expect a revolver to have this function.
And on top of that, it carries SEVEN rounds in the cylinder, something that can be used to fuck with an opponent that gets cocky after hearing six shots from the hero.
But again, it's old, and not the most practical revolver around
>Colt Single Action Army, Colt 1851, literally any cow boy or US civil war black powder revolver
Shit when it's time to reload (unless you carry spare cylinders in a waterproof pocket) but your main character can do his own powder and bullets by himself with limited hardware. It's old, but scores good points in your scenario.
>you don't have any skill if not challenging yourself with all your work isnt something you already do. You're Michael Bay.
>You're misusing pretentious
lol
I don't think I am
Gay,but give your anime protagonist a colt python
>Not picking a S&W No. 3
Sad!
Russians make some aesthetics revolvers.
Pic related is Ots38 which chamber a specific ammunition that makes it less noisy.
Mp412 is more traditional, yet cool because the way in which it chamber ammunitions
Favela-brand gas-pipe and jb weld revolver. If ypu want the cyberpunk to be cyberpunk, and not the equivalent to steampunk's cogfop.
I love the look of these. Are they available to purchase or are they banned from import?
>Readers care about the characters and the narrative.
Speak for yourself. Many times the detail of the set and the setting is more the appeal than the narrative is. That's standard with genre fiction, and is also why "slice of life" is popular in other media.
>>Short stories don't benefit from detail; they suffer for it instead.
Not if the detail is what the reader specifically likes. I.e. a gritty cowboy walking through the swinging doors of a saloon, the neon-lit streets of a cyberpunk dystopia, etc.
They're basically the Russian equivalent of one of Q's special gizmos for James Bond. Even in Russia the only way anyone would get their hands on one is if they were some kind of special forces or gov operative.
The Ruger security six is a good one. It's incredibly rugged and inexpensive when compared to Smith and Wesson and colt. I own the carry-friendly variant, the speed six, and love the thing
true, but I will. gonna be my first revolver for sure
>Mosin Nagant
The Mosin Nagant is a rifle you mong. Mosin is a name, not a brand. He had nothing to do with the design of the revolver.
High Standard Crusader .44mag. It's unique and classic in one.
Unique? Looks like one of countless knockoffs of a S&W.
dude the nighthawk .357 super sport. its got that badass cyber look you want.
This is the other side. And if you think this looks like a S&W you don't know the difference between a rock and a mountain
That'd be awesome for a movie or graphic novel or something else where you could actually SEE it, but not so good for a book.
The cylinder release is obviously different and the cutout for the ejector rod isn't the same but otherwise, yeah, it looks like a S&W. To a casual viewer or reader its no different than a model 29.
>but I will.
Lol, it's really easy to pick out the underage fanboys defending guns they've never even seen.
>the mateba
Which Mateba?
Also available in American flavor modified S&W 29s
>Colt Python
I actually really want one of these but what the fuck is up with the wild variance in prices? I see some as low as $1500 and others as high as $4000, and none of them look beat up in any way.
Condition, whether or not the gun has the original box and papers, and also which configuration it is. Some are more rare than others, and others are more or less desirable than others. Some models were an oddball barrel length or some other odd combination of options that were only sold for a limited time, or perhaps only from a single distributor. Those will cost more than others. I've seen some usually rare variants sell for well over $10k. Short barrels tend to command a higher price than long barrels.
so basically I'll never get one for ~$1000?
two of these things are not like the others
All are designed by Emilio Ghisoni.
shouldn't you be shooting your glock or something?
but two of them are made by Chiappa and are called Rhinos and the rest are called Matebas. Just cause he helped design it doesn't change it to a mateba.
I doubt it.
In my experience one that's in good condition but is not a highly sought after collector's variant and doesn't have the original box or papers could be expected to sell for about $2-3k.
I've heard rumor that Colt will be manufacturing the Python again (after all, they do make the Cobra currently). If they do it will probably be priced around $1200-1500 or so I'd guess. But that said, it won't be the same. The gunsmiths who built the originals are long retired or dead. If they do start production back up it won't be at the same standard of the originals, at least not for many years while that skillbase is rebuilt.
Irrelevant, nobody called them matebas. It's a picture of someone's Ghisoni collection.
The image is provided to illustrate the full range of Mateba handguns and not just the Unica 6.
This bitch. Aesthetic as fuck and ammo is powerfull and hard to get.
yeah, except two of them are Rhinos, not matebas. It would be like if Jim Sullivan helped design the AK47. You wouldn't call it the M4 just because he helped design it. They're two different guns. Same here. Two different guns made by two different companies. The image illustrates the full range of Mateba handguns, and also has two Chiappa Rhinos in it. The Rhino is not a Mateba.
"Never Ever" at this point, but looks badass
The Highway Patrolman
>The Rhino is not a Mateba.
Nobody said they were.
They're just extraneous details in the photo. Would it trigger you less if someone 'shopped a big X through them? Or cut them out of the image altogether?
>yeah, except two of them are Rhinos, not matebas.
You're repeating yourself. I already addressed this in the very post you replied to.
There's a bit of local pride here being a Bonglander, but I'd recommend the Webley Mk. 6, the British officer & colonial police service sidearm.
It's perfectly retro for your cyberpunk setting. Cyberpunk worlds, ruled by megacorps, are dominated by money. But your hero stands apart - no amount of money can buy breeding, pedigree, and class.
it would actually, yes. rather than including guns that are not matebas and asking "which matebas", implying they are the same. then when told they aren't the same, saying "they're all designed by Ghisoni" as if that made them the same at all.
read this and then this the context of the conversation was someone implying that they were all matebas because they were all designed by Ghisoni
The implication that they were/are all matebas is only in your spergbrain.
I think you're right. However the original statement that the picture and question responded to is still accurate. Every mateba in that picture has the same inferiority to the Rhino, in that the bore axis is over the hand instead of in front of it
I am that "someone" and you are being ridiculous. I posted a collection of Ghisoni designed firearms because it had all the Mateba models neatly in one image and I trust most anons to understand that the Rhinos are not Matebas, especially anons taking part in an argument about whether Rhinos are superior to earlier Ghisoni designs re: bore axis.
Unfortunately in your case this trust was misplaced.
it was, I was mistaken and sperged
>Every mateba in that picture has the same inferiority to the Rhino, in that the bore axis is over the hand instead of in front of it
True, but splitting hairs. They all have a far superior bore axis to a conventional revolver, so who cares if the Rhino is slightly better than Muh Mateba? That point seems to not be very relevant in this discussion.
All revolvers are meme guns in the current year, you ding-dong.
muh nigger
Rhino is lower quality and has no .44 Magnum. Also shorter barrel.
it is splitting hairs, but a lot of conversations like this usually are. I think the Rhino is superior compared to the Mateba because it has almost no muzzle flip whatsoever, as opposed to the mateba which despite the low bore still has considerable muzzle flip due to having the grip lower to make room for the slide function.
It just comes down to preference based on which hair you think is bigger when they're split. I think there's an appreciable difference that would effect shooting, and perhaps you don't. Though I'm sure we agree that the Mateba has vastly superior aesthetics.
>shorter barrel
pic related
>44 magnum
not yet.