ITT typical Jow Forums opinions that are wrong (and why)
>Good AKs are more expensive than good ARs M&P15s are cheaply made. They aren't "good". A good AR is still something like KAC or DD and they are well above $1200 which is the upper limit of something like an Arsenal or Saiga. >Generation Kill is an enjoyable and not boring show The characters are basically teenager stereotypes and nothing fucking happens. You could fall asleep to this show. Band of Brothers is far superior Jow Forums viewing material. >Glocks are bad because everyone has one If they were bad, everyone wouldn't have one. Every other company copies Glock and tries to make their product unique, and then the company drops their support of Copy #38 so they can make Copy #39. Meanwhile Glock tinkers with their original formula but keeps the basics the same. That's why Glock is a household name and something like the CZP10c is a neat flash in the pan.
>A good AR is still something like KAC or DD and they are well above $1200 which is the upper limit of something like an Arsenal or Saiga. So what you're telling me is that a Colt AR-15 – basically what the actual military has been using in near-constant war for the past half a century – doesn't qualify as a good?
Nathaniel Howard
>and why they're wrong >cheap ARs are good >no theyre BAD >this show is good >no its BAD >this glock is bad >NO NO NO NO thank you wise one
Kayden Evans
>A good AR is still something like KAC or DD and they are well above $1200 which is the upper limit of something like an Arsenal or Saiga.
Are you trolling? You can build a good AR for 700-800 easily. The cheapest good AK variant would be a 1000 dollar Saiga that’s sporterized. God forbid you want an Arsenal you’re easily gonna pay 1100-1200. So no user. AR’s are much cheaper than AK’s. Idk who lied to you and told you that misinformation. Going to post all my AR’s that I built or bought for 800 or less.
>spikes tactical lower meme gun. I will admit I only spent like 500 in total on this build, but I’d bet it runs more reliably than any 600 or 700 dollar WASR or Century.
Colt is bottom barrel good. Chrome barrel, strong finish, non-cast parts, etc. M&Ps literally use a cast FSB. Gross.
t. sheeple
>building = buying stopped reading there
Easton Kelly
How's the Sig red dot?
Owen Davis
>hurr durr anything made by a gov is shit Perhaps the most retarded noguns statement I’ve ever read.
Xavier Lopez
Pretty good I have a Romeo 4 and Romeo 5. They pop on when the gun moves so you don’t have to worry about fucking around the with knobs to turn it on if you need it. I mean for 200-250 you really can’t beat it. Name brand and I think the battery life is like 2 years on them?
Ian Barnes
You're such a civilian. Government contract stuff is the lowest bidder using the lowest acceptable materials.
Julian Parker
That’s funny. I guess every weapon ever used by an military must be shit then by that logic?
Daniel Nelson
>Government contract stuff is the lowest bidder using the lowest acceptable materials...
And yet they still function fine in a far harsher environment than anywhere you'll every oper8 bucko. Sorry that you bought into the expensive gun meme.
Never said it was shit. Just said it wasn't good. Your foot is stuck so deep in your own mouth I can see your toes wiggling out your ass.
Blake Baker
>hurr durr I make claims but can’t back them up in any relevant way >hurr durr my claims hurt my own argument >hurr durr when i realize I’m the retard I’ll just insult the other person because that’ll show them I’m the right person.
Because I had parts on order and the hand stop is just a temporary attachment I took off my AK.
Jordan Young
I never said they were too tiers. But the fact that they function admirable in actual warfare is more than enough to qualify them as "good".
Jeremiah Wood
>still fails to have a relevant argument >uses trump meme It’s okay kid when I was too young to own firearms and came on Jow Forums to feel cool. Someday you’ll be old enough though!
Adam James
>M16A4/M4A1 >function admirable If that's your definition of admirable I have a bridge to sell you
There’s no point in arguing with this guy anons, he doesn’t know anything about firerarms and is obviously just never going to accept that he doesn’t know anything about firearms.
Kevin Watson
Yes I agree anons.
Oliver Williams
>>building = buying >stopped reading there Same result, fuccboi. Way to move the goalposts. The problem with all your """arguments""" are that they boil down to >thing good >thing no bad
Thomas Powell
Do you understand what 'milspec' implies? It's a contract filled by the lowest bidder who can get it done.
Parker Lee
>goalposts meme Gb2/pol/ only faggots from there ever talk about that fallacy shit
Daniel Perez
>Do you understand what 'milspec' implies? It's a contract filled by the lowest bidder who can get it done.
That is quite literally what milspec means you indolent ape. He's right. You're wrong. Get over it.
Nathan Garcia
>Gb2/pol/ only faggots from there ever talk about that fallacy shit >only faggots don't like when people use logical fallacies
Owen Evans
"Milspec" is just "Military Specification" abbreviated, it has nothing to do with cost you fag. The cost of a "milspec" gun is irrelevant because the important bits are all made to the same specification. His implication was that milspec = bad because it's cheap, which is patently incorrect and demonstrably false from milspec weapons serving overseas.
>milspec has nothing to do with cost >cost of milspec gun is irrelevant You're an idiot
Logan Wright
He’s not the retard her user, you are.
Ryder Jackson
>her
Sebastian White
What is the point? That you started an unpopular opinion thread by presenting your opinions as fact?
Here's an unpopular opinion for you: Even a low end AR is "good" compared to mid-end AKs. I'll take a PSA AR over your overpriced imports any day of the week.
Aaron Hill
I don't know why I'm replying because you're clearly a child but my statements are clearly not contradictory. One milspec gun can be cheaper than another simply by virtue of the economies of scale of the company that manufactured it or a more efficient manufacturing & QC process.
It is a specific check of tolerances that make something 'milspec'. They are not perfect carbon copies of eachother you moron. Milspec IS bad because it's simply a standard used by whatever company contracts the order to be filled. This company usually offers a bid and the lowest bid with the tooling available wins the contract.
Logan Gonzalez
>It is a specific check of tolerances that make something 'milspec'. And the rifles are designed to all work when manufactured within those tolerances. If the parts are not in specification they get tossed.
>They are not perfect carbon copies of eachother you moron. Nobody said they were, moron.
>Milspec IS bad because it's simply a standard used by whatever company contracts the order to be filled. Not even going to dignify that frankly dumb statement with a response.
>This company usually offers a bid and the lowest bid with the tooling available wins the contract. Irrelevant, providing the supplied rifles are within the specifications that the military provided, because as long as they are in specification the military can be confident that the rifles will function.
Depends on your definition of "good". A $500 M&P15 is a 2MOA gun. A $1,600 SLR is also a 2MOA gun. For $1,000 you should be able to get a 1MOA AR. For $2,000 you can get a Krebs, which even an ardent AK fan will admit, while being an amazing rifle, is still not a 1MOA rifle (and to think people shit on a Mini-14 for being 2MOA at $700)
>Generation Kill So you don't like the show, big deal. More people relate to it because the people in the show are their age. They were in the armed forces and possibly even in OIF and can relate to it. It's still military, it's Jow Forums any way you cut it. Yeah, BoB is a better show, I agree with you there, but GK is still a great show itself, don't expect the same content.
>Glocks are good You're using the argument that because everyone does it that means it's good, which is one of the crappiest arguments you can make. Glock innovated approximately nothing, but what they did do is take some ideas, do them well, aggressively market themselves and make pennies on every Glock sold for years to any police department that would take them. Then they reaped the rewards because no one else was making a polymer pistol and all of a sudden all the police in the US went from carrying revolvers to carrying Glock 17s and 22s so Joe Blow figured it had to be a good gun.
Glock was an opportunist and his company did well. That doesn't make them better pistols. One guy says they rule another says they suck. Glock will probably remain king for the forseeable future but believe you me, it won't last forever. When a new Glock is $600 and a new M&P is $400 people begin to switch. Glock's market share will, over time, slowly erode. While it may do that, I do think they'll remain the "Coca Cola" of handguns for sometime, or until the next "Glock" comes around.
Nathan Martin
Around 10 other people have already made the argument; you just cannot comprehend it.
Christian Gonzalez
no barry = no watch
Jacob Robinson
I look forward to reading your amusingly bad and ignorant response to
Connor Sanders
What Colt is as a company is quite different from what it used to be. They have lost M16 and M4 contracts to FN for a reason.
They are in fact the literal opposite of opinions. Post an argument.
Nathan Moore
In response to what.
Carter Rodriguez
Assuming you are , I would like you to explain why milspec is bad in response to , not why milspec is cheap.
Apologies if you aren't 39572230. This board needs post IDs
Evan Cruz
I've taken hard shits that run better than a WASR
Elijah Rogers
Isn't he dead?
Leo Anderson
It's cool. In order for it to be considered good or bad you have to have a standard. A rifle made to be milspec cannot be advertised as such until its actual inspection and confirmation that it is in fact military standard. Despite colt and FN being the only two companies to hold these contracts they are not top of the line anyones circle(specifically colt has dropped from the light and gone down hill).
There is no civilian sale of milspec short of one of colts semiauto law enforcement carbines(the c920). There are a lot of standards that commercial companies imitate but what it really comes down to is production quality, fit checking and finish.
We have no idea how many times a rifle doesn't pass and become milstd and I would love to see what kind of failures and issues they have within the first 100, 1000, and 8000 rounds.
Blake Bailey
Milspec is a synonym for bottom of the barrel but functions slightly better than trash like PSA.
Jose Murphy
>We have no idea how many times a rifle doesn't pass and become milstd Sorry I mean how many times it fails or a part fails and is recycled until it functions.
Essentially what I'm getting at is that 'milspec' and 'milstd' is more lax than commercial productions.
Brandon Thomas
Obviously milspec rifles aren't top of the line but I'm curious as to what makes a perfectly functional middle of the road AR particularly "bad" as opposed to just "decent". I would be surprised if they advertised a rifle as milspec when it wasn't because they would be leaving themselves vulnerable to litigation.
>Milspec is a synonym for bottom of the barrel but functions slightly better than trash like PSA. PSA gets memed on a lot but all I seem to see is plenty of people who have built or bought perfectly functioning rifles on the cheap.
Gavin Evans
Bad decent and good are all subjective. You and I could eat the same thing and have different opinions. Many companies claim to 'be built to milspec' to avoid the legal issues.
PSA gets meme'd on because of their fit and finish and pricetag. Nothing wrong with them to be fair, but hold a PSA then hold a colt then hold a BCM then hold a DD then hold a knights and it will become extremely clear.
Michael Cook
But you could objectively say that milspec rifles are "adequate" based upon what your needs as a civilian shooter are. "Bad" implies that the gun is not functioning in the way it was intended, which I don't believe is the case for >90% of AR rifles under $1000.
Oliver Howard
>good aks cost more then good ars The ak was mass produced, and designed to have loose tolerances. The reason everyone makes a variant is because they work. Mikhail would have shot you for talking about "good" or "bad" aks.
Upper for $100 Barrel for $150 BCG for $150 Lower and LPK for $150 Handguard grip and stock for $150
Look at that 600-700 for a nice one if you dont free float
Logan Scott
In comparison to the entire range of the market, they are bad. I would accept 'adequate'.
Eli Ramirez
I don't really think that being less fancy than it's competitors objectively makes a rifle bad but hey ho, you're entitled to your opinion.
Ethan Stewart
>10mm is good If you need something more powerful than a 9mm +P JHP other than for killing large animals, you need a rifle. The increased size and recoil of the 10mm provides no practical improvement in range or terminal effect.
> is shit because here's a video of one getting blown up No tank is invulnerable, they don't need to be invulnerable, and they've never been invulnerable. Stop basing your opinions on anime and tapes of CENTCOM press releases from 25 years ago.
>Body armor If you're going to be a gear queer, get a decent set of NVGs before dumping cash into body armor. Night vision is a far more critical capability if the shit goes down.
>Prepping If you're a hardcore prepper but you don't have three friends who you've practice clearing a room or a bunker with, or you don't at least know your neighbors' names, you're a fool. You can't go it alone.
>shotguns are good for home defense They're more awkward to reload and operate than almost any other firearm, it's easy to load them with ineffective ammunition, and to fool yourself into think you don't need to aim because of "muh spread". If you only have $150 to spend on a gun get a hi-point.
Anthony Lee
Wow, it's almost like you don't need titanium hand-rifled barrels, custom grips and fancy triggers put together by a boutique gunsmith to make a firearm that's practical for combat!
Xavier King
You’re a slaviboo if you think all AK’s are equal. An Arsenal SLR-107 will run laps around any shitty century’s arms or wasr. The AK was a good design for the 50’s, but compared to modern day machined rifles it really only survives based on its reputation of being a “super-reliable platform”. Which by the way is a huge myth. I know you said that it was designed with loose tolerances.. that design has inherently worked against it. Watch any mud test with an AK vs an AR. The AR will pull ahead and run more reliably. Inrangetv did a great video. They even did the mud test with a Valmet and Arsenal. Both ended up malfunctioning. AK’s are a perpetuated meme. Don’t get me wrong I like the aesthetics and even own one, but we have to get past the idea that they’re some “god gun”.
Levi Hill
>less fancy That's not what I meant at all. The fit finish and integrity of the parts are held to a higher standard. Milspec means it works. Commercial companies take those parts and hone them to be better.
Jack Thompson
So if milspec, as a baseline, results in rifles that work, surely higher standards of parts are superfluous; they're not necessary for function but are there purely for building a "nicer" rifle for the end user.
Logan Baker
If by 'nicer' you mean more accurate, built and fit better and are more reliable and have longer lifespans; then yes.
Jason Cruz
Don't get the cheap version then. An M&P15T will shoot
Joshua Ramirez
>diamondhead rail I see you're a man of culture as well
They're so shit, the military continues to pour money into continued modernization rather than replacing them
Dominic Parker
Sub moa is sub moa regardless of range. Saying it'll shoot a given moa at a given distance just makes you sound like you don't know what you're talking about and discredits your assertions
Josiah Hill
You can't replace what is barely working if it's less costly to continue fixing it with cannibalized parts than it costs to completely replace it. See: the entire F/A-18 fleet.
Oliver Williams
>dd
Overpriced as fuck and not that nice. Your money's better spent with BCM or LMT.
