About FFLs

Is it worth the effort to get an FFL? Would you guys go for it?

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I assume you mean being a "kitchen counter FFL" so you can just have guns shipped directly to you.

I looked into this a while back when my friends and I were buying guns fairly frequently so we figured maybe we could split the cost of the license. As I recall it barely became worth it monetarily speaking as we normally only pay $20 for FFL transfers. I'm a little sketchy on the details but I believe the license lasts for five years or so?

In any case it really didn't seem worth it for a number of reasons:

>Barely saved any money
>Have to keep records
>Have to keep everything 100% up to date
>ATF audits you once a year, can visit more often with no reason
>ATF had been cracking down on kitchen-counter FFLs anyway

Just didn't seem worth the hassle. YMMV.

Yeah unless you're buying like 10+ guns a month, or can convince manufacturers to give you wholesale, you're not likely to save any money. And the other requirements (paperwork, storage) are not insignificant. Plus many jurisdictions, mostly blue cities and counties, have laws that aim to prevent holding an FFL at a residential address, so that can hurt too

Alright thanks user for the info. I was thinking of getting an FFL since I was tired of having to ship my purchased guns to a local gun shop and hope it not messed up. T B H that is a hassle.

just get a C&R if your serious about it

I will look into it, so far it only covers firearms that are 50 years old or older. So that not bad, although it won't cover for newer productions.

FFL here, depends. Are you looking to solely enhance your personal collection? If yes the ATF will not approve. Are you looking to make a business out of it? You probably won't make much, margins are tiny on new guns, accessories and ammo are available for less online, and in general gun owners will spend $10 in gas to save $5. There's a lot of shit going on in the business that is making it tough for the mid sized and small time dealers. There are niche areas where you can do well but I wouldn't make it your primary source of income.

Having said that, you get dealer pricing on everything, can walk in to any gun store in the country and walk out with whatever you want with no paperwork other than flinging a copy of your license on the counter, if you get the SOT you can play with NFA stuff (no tax stamps), and sometimes you get cool shit coming through the door that you would probably never see otherwise(like when grandpa dies and the family wants to sell his stuff - can be awesome, sad, or both). Yes the ATF can inspect but rarely do and when they do it's pretty simple shit as long as you keep your paperwork/inventory in order.

Kitchen table dealers are still allowed depending on your state/local laws, you'll need the proper zoning and a dedicated space in the house for running the business. You'll run into trouble with distributors as many will not deal with residential based dealers and will require proof of a storefront. Also if you're in a condo you'll need HOA approval.

As for costs - minimum is $150/3 years for an 07 FFL, $500/year for the SOT, local/state business license fees, office supplies/printer, a safe, reasonable security measures, and insurance. If you're doing a storefront you'll also need to factor in rent, utilities, and more insurance.

Doing just transfers isn't a business plan if you value your time.

chek'd, good info

So you can buy a bunch of guns for yourself if you mix in some sales + transfers?

You can buy personal firearms with a FFL, which is why it's retarded to not have one, it's only $150 for 3 years and you will never pay for a transfer again, order gun, it shows up on your doorstep.

just do the occasional transfer (and make a quick $30 for 10 minutes time, and sell on gunbroker.