.410 Bore

Shotgun for kids.

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If you are a good clay buster with 12ga, try 410. It gives a whole new level of challenge.

So a .410 gun would be something that Annie Oakley would really enjoy?

.410 is basically hard mode on shotguns
slinging .410s at clay pidgeons is fun as fuck

Birds and clays. You are now aware that if it wasn't for skeet shooting 16ga would likely be the shotgun of choice over 12ga for killing things.

Double barrel .410 is known as a "Moose and goose gun".

.410 slugs will fuck up many animals

>Killing rabbits, squirrels, gophers and bird that enter my property without my permission, thus violating the NAP
Based

I wonder how many times you could shoot .454 Casul out of a .410. I know you can do it at least once without exploding in your face, but how long until it does.

Guess it depends on the action. An H&R Pardner might hold up pretty well, provided it's the same action as the Handi rifle.
You might get the barrels off the face pretty quickly, though.

Easier to fit in your ass than 12 gauge

Can't tell a difference between 12 and 28 gauge for clay shooting, just as easy it seems. Try my great grandfather's old .410 and it's hard as fuck to hit things

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>Old .410
Might be just the age, set it on a bench rest and see if it shoots straight.

Annie Oakley would shoot clays with a rifle.

I'm gonna use my lever action .410 to hunt some deer this year.

>though some people reliably bust deer with .410 slugs
That is the plan this year. I've taken everything else with my single shot .410 Going to harvest a smaller doe with it as well.

>quoting the post and the entire post text
you have to go back

you should be able to fie .45 long colt out of it too,right?
i mean i've heard of derringers that fire .410/.45lc out of the same barrel so it should use those too no problem.

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Sounds like a plan.
I imagine one could also pop fatter turkeys this way, should you want to.

Uh, make sure there's no choke in your bore first, those revolvers and derringers are made without one.

What fucking planet do you live on that .410 is good for home defense?

>everyone ignoring the correct answer

.410 IS good for home defense, you full-auto sperg.

It's not the BEST for home defense, but that wasn't the claim.

A planet where .22 will kill someone

That role is filled by 20 gauge
Someone who cant handle that should just get a pistol

Do you mean loading a .45 cal bullet in a .410 shell? The .45 cal bullet will not fit into a .410 casing.

What's wrong with a .410 for home defense?
A .410 round will shoot 4 pellets of 00 buck at the same velocity as a 12 gauge does. The 12 gauge simply holds more buck shot.

Don't see why it can't work, there's decent weight and speed at hand.
Again, people take deer with .410 slugs, so I imagine if you aim center mass, it'll work. Possibly you'll have to shoot twice.

Nobody claimed it was the best.

>Someone who cant handle that should just get a pistol
No they should not, handguns are MUCH harder to shoot than a long gun with a stock.

It was the first gun I ever shot. I imagine for a lot of people as well. It's a low recoil plinking shotgun. Like the .22LR of the shotgun world.

this. just get an ar or a mini14

Why do people say these things suck out of a handgun? A lot of them meet ballistics gel requirements even from a short rifled barrel.

Mostly because folks think that .410 out of a handgun = .410 out of a full barrel. They are fine for specific purposes. Outside of those they really don't shine.

It's Kawaii

That's about it, a 20 gauge is infinately better with more options if you are recoil or carry weight sensitive.

Well yeah but my question was they meet specific purposes a 9x19 does while using multiple projectiles. People say it sucks and doesn't work. I'm kind of wondering what the deal is there

Because the .410 handguns all have rifled bores and no chokes, so any kind of shot is going to suck outside of a range of like 10ft, and still have pretty fast spread at those ranges.
The rifling also isn't that great for .410 Bore slugs either, and if you're at that point, you would just as well use a normal revolver.

If there were no NFA laws, and they could be smoothbore and choked, without the pretense of having them use .45 Colt to make them handguns legally, they would have much less spread, and then they actually could have some decent applications, if mostly for pest control and stuff like that.

I bought my dad a .22 410 combo
He likes it for hunting birds.

410's prime purpose is for giving to small children to shoot at stuff that you would shoot a shotgun at. After about the age of 8 or 9 a youth model 20 gauge is better.

Most .410 ammo used out of pistols are slugs. rifling helps them, a choke would hinder it. The entire point of it being short is for the spread, the choke makes no sense that's for pellets. A lot of the .410 ammo might not be accurate at a really far range but neither is 9mm. Nobody sets up a gel block to test a 9mm at some extreme range outside what the .410's are suppose to do. I really can't find a reasonable argument for .410's not being sufficient in short rifled barrels because they basically meet the requirements that 9mm does and they do it with multiple projectiles. The entire basis of the 9's effectiveness is having to shoot multiple times.

Good logic, user. Personaaly, I just can't wait for the Judge ubiquitously appreciated as a practical meme, not just a meme.

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>Most .410 ammo used out of pistols are slugs. rifling helps them, a choke would hinder it. The entire point of it being short is for the spread, the choke makes no sense that's for pellets
Then why the fuck drill rifling with extra shallow grooves?

IV8888 did a video on this exact concept and it blew up on the first shot. .454 has chamber pressures about 5x as high as a .410 and that's just too much for even a "+P+ .410". It could possibly handle a few extra spicy .45 lc loads at .44 mag power, but even that will KB the gun pretty quick.

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For slugs. .410 slug self defense ammo is duplex bullets. It has enough space to fit duplex ammo and pellets in it. The pellets are just there because "fuck you that's why" as far as I can tell. Theoretically grooves should help the sluts, the stuff is expected to spread anyway. Grooves are kind of bad for pellets but it doesn't seem to be a bad thing for the slugs. The length of the barrel should be effecting the spread more than lands and grooves.

Fpbp

Those .410/.45LC revolvers have some rather scary options available.

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Volume of fire matters.
youtube.com/watch?v=KesEUNX6KPw

45 colt has higher pressures than .410. If the gun wasn't originally designed for the prior i personally wouldn't do it.

Which one? I know my Dad would go nuts over a little combo gun.

> if its not 12 gauge it wont kill a person!

Literal muh 556 is for wounding tier fudd logic.

A 9x19 PCC can stretch its legs a lot more than most would think.

I think 20 gauge slug guns are highly underrated.

I think for it to really shine, we need a new .50 caliber shotshell.

This, AR-15s are the best guns for women and men who can't handle 7.62

Only if it's a Judge or something similar that was designed to do both.

You're better off with something like the Alaskan if you want just a couple shots of asskick.

youtube.com/watch?v=i89cMnfxXy0

There's also the Magnum Research BFR.

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Some rounds are just a big stack of discs. They all catch the rifling and give a nice tight group.

>BFR
>Alaskan
total memes. I have no idea why the Alaskan ever got popular. It turns .454 into a warm .44 mag just like the BFR turns .45-70 into a warm .454. Magnum cartridges were made for a specific barrel length and reducing that length by over half neuters the round into something lame.

The only acceptable handguns for a few extremely powerful rounds are .454, .460, and .500 mag with a 5+" barrel.

When your neighbors are grizzlies, a .45-70 pistol is no meme.

Compared to a .460 out of half that barrel length, it is. .45-70 is a rifle round made with rifle powder designed to attain its maximum velocity with a 24" barrel. Out of a 10" barrel, it only burns about half the powder, so all of the potential is wasted.

An especially powerful .45-70 will do about 1600 ft/lbs out of a 10" barrel whereas a moderate .460 will do 2200 ft/lbs out of an 8" barrel.

If you're shooting .45-70 and you're not handloading rounds tailored to your firearm(s), then you're doing it wrong.

Those things actually did perform admirably as I recall, but the drawback is that you have to use the Judge.

In spite of general popularity, I find people underestimate 20 Gauge way too much anyway, in spite of giving you the same velocities on your lead as 12 Gauge.