Optics and Red dots general

This board needs an optics general where we can post and disuss red dot and scopes. Post what you have or what you're thinking of getting

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>90% of optics in pic
BARF

On topic: I’m really into the DI optical RV1, especially for the price. Looks like a solid Comp M4 knockoff for a third of the price and proven in actual military use.

I can never get a straight answer. What is the Toyota Corolla of red dots?

Primary arms/Sig romeo or Holosun in the $150 range. They’re virtually indistinguishable.

Holosun

pic related is what I have, works great and
I can't justify paying 2-3x the cost to get something like an Aimpoint or Eokek as I'm not LEO or Mil

I'd trust it for home defense but I live in a small apartment so I'd prolly just reach for my G19.

This video is what really sold me on it before purchasing it, if it can take abuse like this and still hold zero then fuck it why pay more.
youtube.com/watch?v=Fuq_N129SAI&t=703s

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PA advanced stuff. Cheaper than top tier but not too cheap and it'll get you to work and back everyday.

I want to build a 16" ar10 and throw a Vortex Strikefire and 3x magnifier on it. What do you girls think?

Got the same sight after watching the video. I like it a lot

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This is fucking retarded

The Strikefire is a horrible optic (mine randomly stopped working and I had to send it in for warranty) and if you magnifier it 3 times the 4 MOA reticle becomes 12 MOA

Huh. I've only heard good things about em. And if it's a 2 moa optic?

a 2 MOA dot would be 6 MOA under a 3x magnifier

I want to buy a red dot for my m1a (I'm thinking vortex strikefire 2) but my friend keeps insisting that I get scope since I have a "hunting rifle" I don't plan on shooting past 200 meters and i rarely get the chance to which is why I want to get a red dot. What are your thoughts Jow Forums?

If I were to a variable zoom scope I was thinking of getting a vortex strike eagle 1-6. He recommends a leupold

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Meh. Oh well. Are vortex 1×4 or 1×6's good? I dont want to break the bank buying one.
>I was just looking at vortex strike eagle 1×6

Thats a very pretty gun, user

Primary Arms 3x ACSS scope on my AK. Planning on getting one for the AR too.

Reflex sight and pick up a magnifier later, or LPVO? Which would you recommend for an all rounder for baby's first optic if I'm more of a casual shooter?
I like the idea of parallax free sights and unlimited eye relief with a reflex, but also like the flexibility a LPVO seems to give when it comes to varying styles and distances of shooting.
It's going on a simple 16" AR, for what it's worth.

How necessary is lapping rings for a long range gun? Im mounting a fixed power optic with aluminum rings and a seekins aluminum rail mount

Looking at getting one of these 2x20 mini ACOG's with a red crosshair reticle for a 300 blackout build Thots?

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Guys, is the docter 3 sight a good pistol sight? I've got one on my Mossberg 930 spx and it holds up good. Will it hold up pistol recoil?

Any good low power, fixed magnification, long eye relief scopes for a lever action "scout rifle"

>This video is what really sold me on it before purchasing it
I am in the market for a basic bitch poorfag red-dot. Thanks! This video sold me, and I will be getting one.

to get a decent LPVO you've gotta spend $800+

> and if you magnifier it 3 times the 4 MOA reticle becomes 12 MOA

That's not how magnifiers or MOA work. Does the dot size magically change size because you're looking through glass? The dot appears bigger because it's magnified, but EVERYTHING down range is magnified the same amount. Angular measurement doesn't change; a 4 MOA dot non-magnified is still 4 MOA when blown up 3x.

that's how they fucking work retard

this is why you usually only see magnifiers used with Eotechs because holographic sights are focused at infinity so the dot doesn't get any bigger under magnification and you still retain a 1 MOA dot

So a 2moa dot would still work?

Like what?

T. Failed geometry

What part of angular measurements don't you understand?

Owned a Romeo 5, currently own an MRO. MRO feels more rugged and has a better window, but there’s nothing wrong with the Romeo at all.

Don't listen to him he's retarded
Strikefire magnified is still the same moa because moa is an angular measurement
I've used that exact setup on my AR as well as the strike eagle 1-6 and they're both fine, strike eagle probably better unless having true 1x quickly available for close stuff is a must have.

So things change size when viewed through magnification? Say you see an average height man at 100 yards. You pull out 3x binoculars and look at him. Is he now 3x taller? No, he appears 3x closer. Think of it as if he were standing at 33 yards when he's magnified.

I've been reading some reviews and haven't heard to much negative in that way. I'm guessing a 2moa optic would be better, I know vortex makes some.
I'm torn between the strike eagle 1-6 or the dot/magnifier combo on top of a 16" ar 10. To me the setup is to try and get the best of both worlds - potentially close combat and reaching out to touch someone

Oh it's for an AR 10?
Don't get the magnifier setup then. 308 is wasted on the distances where a red dot+magnifier is useful. I had it on an AR 9.
Also note that the strike eagles BDC is for 556 so you'll have to do some calculating to find where the hash marks work for your cartridge/rifle combination.

Well dang is there a 1-4 or 1-6 that's made for .308 that you know of?

Idk I have a 6-24 on my 308
I'm sure you can find them but they're possibly more expensive

Hmm. I'm not really gaining much with the .308 then, huh? Nothing I cant get with a 16" AR15?

>solid
>proven in actual military use
>knockoff
Citation needed.
>BARF

Personally I wouldn't do 16" 308 especially if you want an all around gun. 556 will do fine for half the ammo cost.

>that's how they fucking work retard

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Look at this man
Look at this man and laugh

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Is the new Nikon red dot any good?

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A 3 MOA dot covers 3" @ 100y right? So, if you put a magnifier behind it, how does that change? MOA is relative to down range, not the shooter's eye you idiot. You're magnifying down range and the dot equally, so the dot's MOA doesn't change.

Here's another example: If you shoot shot group of 1 MOA, is it different if you do it with irons or a magnified optic? No.

you're going to be completely covering your target past 150 yards with a non-holographic sight under magnification

Why does the moa change if everything is being magnified? Isn't 4 moa at 100 yatds the same as 4 moa at 500 yards?

Yeah, Primary Arms makes one. Get their Raptor if you want an FFP scope that's dang nice for the money.

anyone use the sig sauer romeo5?
heard good things. trying to decide between it and holosun.

It doesn't. You're correct. 4 MOA is 4 MOA. At 100, it covers ~4", at 500, ~20".

maybe I should read the thread first huh?
okay Im gonna buy one.

maybe wait for black friday sales.

It comes with an absolute mount not a lower 1/3. Other than that it's pretty good optic for the money.

What you're referring to is not a measurement of MOA. Under magnification, the target becomes bigger, right? If the holo dot remains the same size to the shooter's eye, it covers much less distance.

Even EOTech's website illustrates this perfectly. The red dot covers the SAME amount of distance on the target, the EOTech's does not.

eotechinc.com/holographic-weapons-technology/holographic-sight-versus-red-dot-sight

>all these cheap-ass optics
/poorfaggeneral/

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Right. I suppose I'll get an ar15, thanks.

>90% of optics
>6 optics shown
What do you mean

anything that isn't a comp m5 or T2 is a mistake for red dots.
larue is bad

M4s is good too.
>larue is bad
You're fucking high.

larue is a shit tier design where all the clamping force is on one pivot, which will always result in a dented in rail from any use of firing. the steel is going to wedge itself in and fuck over your receiver over time. you'll have to continously make it tighter because it will wear into the same position making the dent even bigger and bigger.
fuck larue it's a retard design

It’s pretty widely-known that it’s south Korea’s military optic and they make machine gun optics for numerous militaries.
You proof-fags are the laziest and most worthless creatures on the planet. Then again, if I was a subhuman without opposable thumbs, I wouldn’t want to use google either.

Do you guys re-zero your optics each time your remove it from your rail?

I pretty clearly wrote that it was only the optics in the pic. 90% of which are airsoft-tier.
Way to make it halfway through the first statement, window-licker.

>90%
>of 6
5.4 of them are airsoft tier?

Does it have the Christmas tree with BDC stadia? If so, it isn’t going to be set up for .300 BLK

I've had two larue mounts for over 4 years now and this has literally never happened. If you read the little business-card sized instructions that come with them and adjust the throw arm accordingly, it's not an issue at all. Especially for light-recoiling calibers like 5.56.

A good QD mount should have around 1 moa RTZ. It's not entirely necessary, but yes you should always try to reconfirm zero after removing an optic.

Jesus I didn't think you would be this stupid, so I guess I'll spell it out. If there are 6 optics in the pic, what do you mean by 90% of them being airsoft-tier? 5.4 of them are shit?

steel beats aluminum. sorry that you don't shoot your guns enough to notice the perm damage its causing your PSA specials

My acog on my SAW sat on a larue mount. Through literally thousands of rounds of automatic fire, the situation you described never happened. Pic related: acog on aforementioned larue mount.

You are full of shit.

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So holographic eotech vs 1x etched prism by primary arms. If you have astigmatism and long eye relief, which is better?

Etched prism

No, it's just a red illuminated +
Figured it would be good to zero at 100 and just hold over however much out beyond that

Does length do anything to red dots? What's the difference between say an aimpoint pro vs aimpoint hunter? Only thing I can tell is that hunter is obviously much longer than the pro. What would be better suited for a battlerifle?

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Get the PRO.

Bump

I wasnt asking which to get, I was asking what's the difference other than length and if length of a red dot does anything

Those are meant to fit already existing scope rings on hunting rifles. If anything they give you a really bad sewer pipe effect and hurt your field of view. A Pro is better in all circumstances.

Looking for a good low light optic for my mussel loader something with a few x of magnification. What would you buy if /scopes/ had money to waste?

I can't say for the magnifier.tbe lvpo 1-4x is nice but it's heavy and won't be a dotsight. The primary arms etched 3x however is fucking sick best of both worlds if you ask me

Optics thread? Sure. General thread? Fuck no. General threads are cancer and should only be used as containment for attention whoring faggots.

I'm hoping swfa and opticsplanet have some good shit for Black Friday

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>90%
>there are six optics
That means you only like 3/5ths of one of the optics ya dip.

>takes a beating and still holds a zero
Thank you, I'm going to defs get a holosun now. I was on the fence before, but now my mind is made up.

I'd like to get a rds for my P320 but I have no way to be sure it'd be worth the investment. Never used anything besides iron sights before

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How is it the best of both worlds? What's eye relief and parallax like on a etched scope like?
I hadn't really considered a fixed zoom scope before, or a prism scope.

what's the longest eye relief magnifier on the market

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hahahaha

Eotech is good for astigmatism as well. It also has unlimited eye relief so you can put it anywhere on the rail you want.

Jeez this fucking thread

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I have the Strike Eagle 1-6x on an AR. I've put around 2k rounds down range with it so far. It's held zero, and the BDC is just about dead on with M193 out of a 16" barrel. Light transmission through the lenses isn't as good as Nikon and Leupold scopes I've used. It is heavier than shit, over a pound even without a mount. Other than that, it's fine.

Well it's a lot more forgiving and easier to line up than lvpo, buy your stuck at 3x and have a Chevron Instead of a cross hair. Other than that? Not much I can think of

ok *buys MI*

Use Tasco Propoint in the 90's; replaced it with a BSA three years ago. Both take a lot of abuse. Get one with a 1mil dot though. 3mil is too large for anything over 150 meters.

Dude... Comp 3 ? The fuq... you can get a PRO for a little bit more and it's better in every way.

Also all of the other optics are literally chinese trash.